*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

It looks like sager is using the desktop drivers HM76 chipset. I can't even find the driver for the mobile version.

 

Hi. While waiting for my W110ER, I've been looking at a few other options that offer a GT650M, and came across this deal:

(Price with coupon code)

Which is pretty godlike... for a $150 reduction in price from my W110ER configuration, I can get:
1. GDDR5 vs GDDR3
2. 32GB mssd cache + 1TB vs 750gb momentus XT hybrid
3. Matte 1920x1080 display vs glare 1366x768 display
4. 6hr vs 4hr battery life (according to this review, the hp can get 5hrs in regular use)
5. Blu-Ray player vs external dvd drive with no blu-ray

The dimension comparison:
W110ER:
11.3 x 8.14 x 1.45
3.96lbs

HP:
14.88 x 9.71 x 1.23″ (min Height)/1.39″ (max Height)
Weight: 5.78lbs


And I'm having serious buyer's remorse right now. As it's still in production, I have half a mind to cancel my order of W110ER + cooler + screen protector and order this one.

Can anyone talk me out of not canceling/staying with W110ER?

 

Its all up to how much you value the smaller size. You're spending the money and you know what your usage cases are and where they will take place and how often you will change location.

If you want to be persuaded then call HP or one of the hard selling resellers like Eurocom and let the salesman make the choice for you and tell you in sweet words what to do.

 

Well, I just ordered a dv6t-7000 with those specs except without the mSSD, a 2GB GDDR5 GT650m instead, a 9-cell battery and a backlit keyboard for about that price =/ I plan to get a 256GB SSD later to replace the 1TB HDD. So it's kinda hard to talk you out of it but I guess the W110ER is more portable and if you game a lot you're guaranteed to get a lot more FPS on native res. And Prema is currently making a custom BIOS that'll allow you to turn off cores and save battery life. So it mostly depends on you and what you plan to do with it. I was really torn between the W110ER and the DV6 until I saw the 33% off coupon.

 

Yeah, I considered the DV6 also. It is a good bargain, all depends on form factor you want. I'm still considering a return too. But I already have a DV6z 6000 model and it's definitely bigger than I'd desire. But the screen and battery life make it very desirable. I'm holding out for at least a 660m with possibly AMD Trinity CPU before I go for another 15".

Here's size difference:

 

Thank you. I calmed down a bit, and I still desire the form factor>>>>$150 price difference. Your picture greatly helped.

 

Thanks HT!!! That picture made all the difference in the world

Can't rep as I've got none left

 

i've just emailed R&J tech, and they don't have spare back plate cover...

 

I don't know if this means much but in my efforts to determine what might be causing unusually high battery drain, I noticed something that may be of importance or not, I dunno.

In GPU-z if 650m is not active, then GPU speed is reported as 835MHz. If I set a windows app to use the 650m (non-3D app), then the GPU drops to idle speed of 135MHz and vRAM at 405MHz. I'm thinking perhaps the 650m is running full speed when not called on by Optimus.

I thought that since the Eurocom seemed to have better luck with battery life, I installed their drivers, even though they were likely identical. Unfortunately no change

I am beginning to feel it is something to do with the 650m and how Optimus is dealing with it. Some machines perhaps are set up properly while for whatever reason others are not. I dunno. It's getting quite frustrating to see 16-18W draw at idle when it realistically should be no more than 15W, really about 12-13W.

 

There are beta mobile drivers on the intel site but you have to have dev access to get at them. If you're desperate for some for your install I can try taking a look at the Driver CD I got from Mythlogic.

I do wish they'd put everything onto a flash stick given the lack of optical drive on this model but I can transfer it on my old desktop to a flash stick of my own if I never need to install them.

 

This is interesting.

When I have GPU-Z open and start MSI Afterburner I see that they both show the nVidia 650M is running at 835. Shortly after starting afterburner both it and GPU-Z Sensor tab show the dGPU droping in speed to 135 Mhz. But once I close Afterburner but leave GPU-Z open the speed jumps back to 835Mhz and stays there even though I've manually assigned GPU-Z to the integrated chip and have no other programs running.

You may be onto something. I'm going to redo my idle test with Afterburner running in the background and see if it results in any change.

 

This is very interesting......I observed the same thing with GPU-Z.


Another interesting part is when I have GPU-Z running in the background, my i5 temp went up about 10C. So maybe when GPU-Z is running, it activates the dGPU..........

 

That surely makes no sense.. but something tells me you might be correct ..

 

When I have no monitoring programs running my draw from the wall is 20-22W and if I have just MSI Afterburner running and it shows 835mhz it draws 33-35W and when it dropped to 135mhz it draws 24-25W and when I turn MSI afterburner off then it draws 20-22W again.

If I open just GPU-Z it goes to 33-35W and then starts jumping between 20W and 34W every time the KillaWatt updates with a few 24 or 26 Ws thrown in. Once I open MSI Afterburner while keeping GPU-Z open it goes to 33-35W again then when both show the dGPU going to 135Mhz it steadys at 24-26W again.

Once I close MSI Afterburner it resumes the jumping around till I close GPU-Z and then it steadies out at 20-22W again.

 

That is still too high of a power draw in general. Something is wrong. And Sager/Clevo need to fix it. I was able to get about 15-17W draw with basic web surfing, now it's up to about 20W regularly. That is just too high, and not sure why it was so low before but not now...

 

Is it charging when you guys are measuring the power draw?

 

Nope .....

 

Do you see a corresponding increase in GPU temp when the clock speeds shift? I always see a 5C uptick when I start EVGA Precision on my M11x r3, which drops after the clock speeds go back down. I think that would indicate your hunch is on the right track.

 

Don't forget the PSU efficiency since we are measuring from the wall.

For example the PSU that I got with my machine is rated as a Level III by UL which going by this table:



You can also find the US Law that requires this at pg 1550 of this document. It actually requires Level IV or higher PSUs here in the US but apparently that requirement was just another toothless law or one that only apply to PSUs made in the US, which this one isn't.

For a Level III power supply such as mine it would be the equation, which Wolfram Alpha is nice enough to solve here, that at my normal idle wall draw the PSU is at worst 76.8% percent efficient. Which means it is only using 16.9W (22W * 76.8%) as I don't think a "Li-Shin Internation Enterprise Corp Model 0713A1990" PSU is going to be any better then the minimum needed to meet the requirements.

The Linux guy who completely disabled the dGPU is then only drawing 11W from his battery at his reported 15W from the wall assuming he also has the standard 90W PSU that comes from Clevo with the shell.

I think we may be onto a potential source of the problem. I wonder if these early drivers aren't leaving the dGPU at a higher state then we would like it to be at.

 

Is there something in the nvidia control panel to control settings on the 650M besides what programs/games you want to use?
Any programs out there that can tell you when optimus is running?
Maybe this can tell you if optimus is enabled when idle or surfing.
Optimus test tools finally in users hands - News - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

 

I really want a 13.3" laptop with that CPU and GPU, but seriously, if they had that deal here in Canada or HP sold to Canadians from their US site, I would so buy that config for that price like right now.

 

Well, they do charge the waste recycling fee and tax, which adds another ~$85 to the cost, unlike most resellers here...

It's all in the form factor. I'm trying to justify to myself that the small size is worth the premium - if I want a 15 inch, I'd go with the 9130 with GTX 970.... at least that's what I'm telling myself.

 

Could it be as simple as disabling the 650 in device manager and running another test?

 

Might as well go with the P150EM and get a 7970m.

 

Nope, tried that, power consumption actually goes UP. My guess is it no longer receives signals on saving power or that it's in "sleep" mode until Optimus wakes it. Instead it's just disabled and running.

In any case, I just updated from my WD SiliconEdge Blue 256GB to a Samsung 830 256GB. I did an image transfer from a fresh install that I made on my WD, and so far, power consumption on battery from BatteryBar has been hovering around 12-14W while surfing. I can't say it was just the SSD, but perhaps something I installed or set up later on my machine that made it increase. I'll be sure to keep an eye on it every time I install something new to see if there's a noticeable change.

Maybe the SSD/HDD does have that significant of an effect on battery life. But I still think there's something to do with Optimus that's causing this.

 

@HTWingNut What video driver are you using? Stock or 296.10?

 

I'm considering holding out on this model to wait for the Thunderbolt port to appear on Windows laptops. Much of the reason I want a new computer is to get into HD video capture and editing, and would like to be able to use the Thunderbolt version of the Black Magic Intensity Shuttle and Thunderbolt hard drives.

It's ok, I can wait on splurging on a new productivity laptop while my money goes to financing a harp and fixing up that old house of mine.

Rally good deal on that HP Pavilion, too. I would get it.

 

...and there were no problems to install it??

 

Wait...... am I doing something wrong? mine is idle at 25-41w, jumping back and forth. only monitoring program running is HWmonitor.

Edit: alright well seems as though if you have HWmonitor on startup it causes the GPU to turn on and off.

 

Stock drivers 295.93.

 

Sorry, I am not sure that this was mentioned. If Intel rst is showing 3 Gbps, then it means that your drive is running at SATA 2 speeds.

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

 

Yep, we confirmed it's SATA III.

 

is there an anti-glare screen protector that fits precisely the regular screen? Because you're losing ~80nits .. about 1/3 of the total brightness, to go to matte.

 

I don't always trust the specs, as they don't always match up to actual performance of the screen. I'll give feedback on my thoughts between the two screens. I don't need full screen brightness indoors usually, only about 50%, so a slightly more dim screen won't bother me much. Outdoors though, already this screen is near impossible to use due to glare. I'm an advocate of matte screen protectors, but I'd prefer a true matte screen over a protector if the price is right.

 

The Anandtech review said the glossy was 258 nits and the matte 200 nits. That's only a 23.5% reduction in brightness not 33.333%. Also the glossy screens contrast ratio is purportedly 175:1 while the matte is 500:1.

Think I prefer the matte.

 

That's from the spec sheet, which isn't accurate. According to the spec sheet for the IVO (glossy) display, it also has a 500:1 contrast and 200 nit brightness. But if you look at the anandtech review, that clearly isn't true (or isn't true under real world scenarios).

The same goes for the matte AUO display. It may say 500:1 and 200 nits on paper, but I think it'll be similar to the IVO one in real life (other than being matte, of course).

 

There must be other better screens besides these two that are compatible. Would be nice to figure out all the best ones that would be compatible so people could possibly order a proper screen, to replace the current piece of junk.

 

Funny you mentioned that AnandTech review..

Reading the comments and suddenly I see someone familiar.. to say the least


Haha did you enjoy the Kickass movie?

 

That used to be my avy here too.

Maybe I'll go back to that. I liked Hit-Girl. I was really hoping they would have made a "Hit-Girl" movie following shortly after Kick-A$$. Now she's too old to make it worthwhile. I think she's 15 or 16 now. They could have eeked out a couple movies while she was 11-12 years old. But oh well, no longer a cute kick butt little girl but a bratty teen. It is what it is. Maybe I'll teach my kids how to flip butterfly knives.

 

Damn the specs on that screen screams M11X to me.

Probably from the same bargain bin supplier. Soo close to being perfect.

http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/B116XW05~V.0/

According to AT, this is one of the OEM panels on the MBA. An brave NBR junkie willing to take the plunge?

HTWingnut...you know you want to .

 

Meh, it's glossy. Tired of glossy screens. I don't care how bright they are, they just can't overcome glare.

 

If there is a matte variant of it, I wouldn't mind trying it as long as they use the same connector. The screen/s used in the MBA are very very nice, I shudder to think how crappy the garbage base screen looks on the W110ER. Clevo has (in the past) been infamous for using the trashiest low end crap screens for their base configs, I know recently they've changed that bad habit on a few of their popular models, but I expect this IVO display to be dismally pathetic.

I would probably re-order the W110ER again if I knew I could replace that screen with a MBA quality glossy (but preferably matte) screen.

 

Not compatible. That's an eDP panel.

 

Then we should get on the hunt to find the best LVDS panels available to the W110ER, Clevo is using the cheapest lowest end they can find for this, so for sure there should be some high quality ones around.

 

There are literally no better 11" displays. The matte is the best you can get.

 

Hi guys

Just about to pull the trigger on the w110er, the question is from which retailer?

I'm in AUS at the moment and the only two major choices are Eurocom and the local Metabox.

The Eurocom comes to about $1058 plus shipping
i7-2620m
1x4gb 1333mhz RAM
500gb HDD
no windows
1yr Warranty
IC diamond treatment
(+$150 for 2yr)

The metabox comes to $1158 plus free shipping, the depot is like 5km from my place
i7-3610m
2x4gb 1600mhz RAM
no HDD
no windows
IC diamond treatment
1yr premium pickup warranty, 2+3rd year RTB to sydney
(-$70 for 1 yr premium pick warranty only)

its a really hard choice, the Eurocom one is good because I really want an agile dual core because most of my apps and games will be lightly threaded. If the reports about the CPU not boosting when the GPU is are true, then the dualcore should give better perf. Plus, there should be better battery life for me since my usage is very bursty as opposed to continuous.

However, the Eurocom warranty is questionable due to me being AUS, they won't cover shipping so it'll cost about $360 to ship to Eurocom and back if problems arise. The Metabox warranty is clearly superior for me. Essentially i'll be on my own if I get Eurocom.

The real problem is Metabox doesn't seem to believe in Dual Cores and have never carried them in any of their clevos, so only Quads are available. I have contacted metabox regarding this but they are still trying to figure out whether to order a shipment of dualcore sandy bridges now or wait for dual Ivys. Even then its not guaranteed they will carry Duals.

Also if I do opt for the i7-2620m, would i lose the USB3 support on the HM76 express chipset?

RAM, HDD and networking card shouldn't be a problem since i have a spare 1333mhz 4gb stick, an intel 320 120gb SSD and a spare intel 6230 card

So guys, which is better?

 

None of the LG Phillips displays are any good? I know its glossy, but.. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/529316979/Original_A_11_6_1920_1080.html Might be a bit tough on the eyes though.

 

You can check for yourself. I've looked through it and didn't find any better compatible displays. Maybe I missed something though.

 

I'd go local if I were you, the quad is nice, and if you have issues, it's better to have some place to take it locally.

 

Wow.... that looks very nice! and for $70. hhmmmm LVDs aswell. very tempting.