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    *** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Ryan, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. HTWingNut

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    Awesome! Thanks +1.

    Just realized it's only 0.63 CFM @ 39DB! :eek:
     
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    oops, shall i give rep back?
     
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    LOL no. Thanks for the link though. Interesting nevertheless.

    I got a spare bottom panel from LPC and plan on mounting a 60x60x10mm 5V fan to the bottom of the back plate right over the CPU and plug into USB. Nice thing is that I can always just remove the bottom panel and swap it for the one without fan if I need to. Also trying to find something as a permanent prop up of the back side for improved ventilation.
     
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    Nice, i thought about the same idea...let us know how it goes. Thanks !

    P.S:from some another source the same fan(UB5U3-700) is rated at 28.7db and 17.8l/min

    errr..LPC's selling spare bottom panel?
     
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    17.8 L/min is 0.63 cfm.

    And yes, LPC will sell spare bottom panels. PM or email for him to quote.
     
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    Nice, how much was the spare panel?
     
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    for those looking for a laptop cooler, the CM U3 is quite good, you can position the fans according to your taste. I found them too puny so I strapped a 180cm Silverstone Penetrator fan using cable ties on, hooked it up to an old 12v power supply and voila...knocks off 10 degrees, probs more with RAM sinks :)
     
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    I think the battery already raises it further than that, and that is about the most gaudy hack job ive seen in a while XD would completely ruin the asthetic of the notebook.

    Just my opinion, mods dont have to be pretty though.
     
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    well, how high it is raised is up to your own ingenuity and design.
    that DIY hacky aesthetic does have a certain charm to it. but definately not for everyone
     
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    Just buy some of these and do it yourself. Being a m11x owner and all the rubber feet problems they had I had to find something else that did the job.
     
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    Hint #3 should do the trick. :)
     
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    Sorry for the off-topicness, but you guys should really go check out the latest humble indie bundle they have going on. Its literally some of the best indie games ever made and its a charity on top of that!
     
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    First of all, thanks for nvidia inspector frame limiter didn't realize it existed. :eek:

    Secondly, I would have at least tried to repaste the CPU/GPU heatsinks as that could have likely been the issue with your GPU. You don't void warranty on Sager products by changing thermal paste.
     
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    You are welcome. This little tool certainly helped my M11x to play games at a much more comfortable noise level.

    I was going to take a look under the heatspreader myself, except the service clerk told me not to do so in order to not void the warranty. (I bought the notebook in Germany at mysn.de. They might have a different policy)
     
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    I tried to repaste, but it seems i'm not doing it properly, i tried both spreading paste with a card and dot, line in the center.whatever the technique temps remains the same...should it be a really really thin application ? For now i have only the Hegrease Extreme, which is...extremly...thick.
     
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    Idle temps will be 60-65C. Peak temps should not exceed 90C though. That is normal for the quad core at least.

    My experience is that make sure you clean the CPU and heatsink really well with alcohol. Then just put a large dot on a square die or a short line on a rectangular die.
     
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    My CPU is a dual core, while typing those lines my cores are at 64C-65C at 1,2Ghz, the weather is cool,maybe 23-24C. I've put 4 copper heatsinks and the lappy is not propped up. I've put a dot on GPU and spreaded paste on CPU with proper cleaning.
    I've never reached 90C yet..
     
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    I am not sure how you enable that, its not in the global settings page of the Nvidia control panel. Maybe its because I am still running 295.93 (stock, havent felt compelled to get new ones from laptopvideotogo, is there a significant performance increase)
     
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    It's supposed to be in the global settings, so probably in newer drivers, like laptopvideo2go drivers. Judging by the review there should be power benefits to using it, on top of the already nice game performance benefits.
     
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    You have convinced me. Now, how may I go about installing them? I am assuming there is a procedure to mod the files?
     
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    Wow, that was very good advice! Played Civ V easily and the computer stayed quiet and cool. I couldn't tell the difference visually either. Is there an easy way to cap all games at 30 fps? +rep
     
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    Download your driver of choice from laptopvideo2go, next to the driver download link you should see another download link called modded INF or something to that effect, once you've downloaded both, extract them, then paste the modded inf over the driver's stock inf, click yes when it asks you to overwrite.

    Then download DriverSweeper, once installed, uninstall your current Nvidia driver, then reboot into Safe Mode, then run driver sweeper in safe mode and delete your Nvidia drivers/files. Reboot back into normal mode and install the new driver and give it a whirl.
     
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    If you look at the top, there is the global profile which should cap the fps with any 3D app using the nVidia GPU unless overridden by the specific game cap.
     
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    "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to HTWingNut again."

    Instead, I'll just give my good word to the folks in the Vatican for you to be canonized on behalf of NBR.


    [edit]: When I limited all my games to 30 fps, I did notice a different in D3. Perhaps this is something best left to slower paced games
     
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    I must be derping hardcore, but I i cannot find the .inf file in the driver folder after it self-extracted (seen below). Also when I click on download modded inf it just takes me to a page featuring a wall of code. Im assuming you replace the contents of the .inf with that but again I cannot find it :mad:

    To round out my derpage, I cant seem to find the download for Driver Sweeper. I am on the Guru3D page for its download but the download button does nothing, and all the other things take me to ads!

    Not havin a good day, lemme tell you :(

    Edit: Fixed the inf problem, not all i need is DriverSweeper...
     

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    Edit: ok file is too big, here's what to do, copy all that .inf code into notepad and then save the file as nvwi.inf and then drag and drop it into the Display.Driver folder, then you're good to go.
     
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    Then change D3 to something like 60fps or turn it off altogether for D3. It should override the global setting.
     
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    You should go and Try Here.
     
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    I'm glad to hear it. The 650 is that fast, that there is quite some potential to get it quiet.
    Well, I'd consider that the easy way. :) After opening the nVidia inspector click on the small tools next to your drivers version. There you can set the limit, which will cap every 3D application as long as you don't change it or restore the defaults.

    @HTWingNut: Until you mentioned it, I didn't even realize, that there were different profiles. I thought it was all globally. That is sweet, because some games (BF2 for instance) won't run smooth with a fram limiter.
     
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    I ask again, is there more ppl who have tried this Max Payne 3? It works only with hd4000..
    Ht: Can you also try it? :) Id like to know that Im not alone with this problem because Alienware machine with gt650 2gb works fine :-/
     
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    My fans somehow speed up once every 10-30seconds for less than a second.
    I didn't prop it up, and I'm just writing here and run some torrent downloads.
    Temperature is around 65°C. Power profile doesn't really matter.

    It's a bit annoying when sitting in a Library :)
    Just want to check if its normal. Probably because its just idling in the region where fans kick in? Are there any possibilites to change fan management?

    Edit: lol, it seems it doesn't happen when i lift the notebook a little bit.
     
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    No way to adjust fan unfortunately. It might help to repaste though. If you can drop temps a little bit it won't fire up the fan. Although usually at about 65-70C fan kicks into "low" mode, and not that noticeable that I've found. If it seems to gun on "medium" or "high" then something else is going on.
     
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    i have the same problem, it happens when cpu temp reaches arond 70C and fan drops it at around 65c It happen just like macuill described
     
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    Actually its not the big deal, i just heard it because im sitting in a library right now. Low noise environment...

    It looks like, its exactly at the temperature point where fans should kick in on medium? state.
    The behavior disappears when i prop it up a little and the temperatures drop for a few degrees.

    Guess i just bring some bottlecaps next time :p
     
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    Either that, or set a power profile eg. "Power Saving", to use 99% max CPU Speed, that will turn off the Turbo Boost. Still you should have enough performance for the library and it should cool down a bit. :)

    That's what I thought with mine. Although my GPU was being crazy anyway. It never actually powered off. Maybe because there is no official driver yet.
     
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    Hey, i am considering buying this laptop since seems to fit my needs(would rather have something a bit larger though, like ~13"). The one i want to buy have, Intel Core i5-2410M 2.3GHz - 2.9GHz, 3MB Cache rather than i7, so not sure if it will reduce performance by a much ? On the other hand the temperatures should be better for this one ?
    Also anyone tried to overclock this one ?
    And the thing with CPU turbo is already fixed right ?
    Thanks for help :)
     
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    depends, I'd hold out for the Ivy Bridge i5 processors. That particular I5 seems too slow to me yet some of our members report similar temperatures of the i5 to the i7. The biggest advantage of the dual cores is the fact that they have a higher guaranteed clock speed (2.8ghz for the i5-3360m) at a slightly lower power consumption (something like 10-20w).
    The high dual clock speed (vs slower quad clockspeed) is better for older games, general productivity (snappier windows) and heavily modded games (e.g. COH with Eastern Front, Starcraft custom maps etc).
    However, the Quadcore is magnitudes faster at video encoding and multitasking, some modern games can even benefit from the extra cores (e.g. BF3 and all future Frostbite 2 engine games) to give a more consistent FPS. So basically, when the Dual Cores win, they win by about 15% but when quads win its like 40-50%.
    I think you have to take a really hard look at the types of apps you are running but if you are getting a dual core, get one with at least 2.7ghz baseclock, the power savings from a slower one isn't worth it.
    So far I think the turbo TDP has been fixed but the inactive turbo while GPU is operating is still WIP.
     
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    Check for posts by R3d as I believe he has an i5-2530m and it runs hot as well. No overclocking of Ivy Bridge. CPU turbo is not fixed. CPU will throttle when dedicated GPU is active.
     
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    I played a lot of games recently which scale well on multicores. 2070AD, Settlers 7, or Dragon Age Origins. The latter in fact is so well coded, that I had no FPS Drop, whether I clocked my Desktop Quad with 3.4, 2,7, or 2.2 GHz. These games will in fact benifit. So will future releases.
    Agreed, especially since you can still underclock the CPU in Windows.
     
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    I actually have the same issue. It's not every 10-30 seconds and more like every 5-10 minutes, but the fans speed up loudly for less than a second. It's a noticeable sound, but because of how short the duration is I'm not going to sweat about it.
     
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    Hey HTWingnut, I was worried about your low i7-3610m CB 10.5 score so I ran them through myself. I was able to coax the CPU in to full turbo by running the CB app on integrated with only intel tuboboost widget monitoring.

    the best I can get 17000 which is close to yours but the weird thing is, on 32 bit the score was like 16000 which is way to close a difference.
    Notebookcheck has the average score at 20000 so for the life of me I cant think of anything that will result in a 25% discrepancy since the Turbo Widget reported full 3.1ghz boost the whole time.

    So I ran CB11.5 64bit and voila, 6.25 which is on par with the high end of Notebookcheck. I suspect CB 10.5 is giving artificially low scores on the W110er i7-3610m so its a caution to everyone who reads review scores.

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    @ onkelosuppo
    I remember, Dragon Age Origins was a marvel of coding...good times :) , but I think most RTS games circa 2009 are multithreaded out of necessity but most FPS titles except BFBC2 and BF3 scale horribly with core count, older RTS titles like COH was a notoriously dualthreaded. Sins of a Solar Empire was one you needed high clock speed since it was single threaded :eek:, that bull of a game still gets 15fps late game on my 4.6ghz i5-2500k with SLI GTX 570 ><
     
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    Yet another bench of the i7 3520M...cpu is at 2.9Ghz, Prime95 is running in background.
     

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    Hi there, looking after the W110ER not for games but for an editing notebook ...

    Is the the CPU turbo also disable when encoding or using cuda optimized software (ie, premiere - photoshop) with the core I7 3612QM ?

    Thank you.
     
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    Clevernerd - Intel's Ark page shows that the i7 3520M can drive 3 displays - is there any way you can check if you can have two external monitors and the built-in screen running at once?
     
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    mysn (germany) now has ivy bridge i5 as an option. i would expect other companies will be following suite soon too
     
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