*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

I have the crappy Samsung panel! It's dim as hell. Can't wait for my matte AUO in my w110er. :-D

 

As mentioned earlier, recovering from hibernate means restoring a whole image of your memory from disk. On machines with a lot of RAM, this obviously takes some time - imagine copying several GB of data from your hard drive to another, it's basically what is happening.

You might try sleep / standby mode as an alternative. Going to sleep is faster than shutting down regularly or hibernating, and recovering from sleep usually only takes about one or two seconds (!), even without a SSD. Compared to hibernation, sleep mode does not involve the hard drive / SSD at all but keeps feeding the memory with power in order to prevent it from losing its data. This means that you have to be aware that there is a very low, but noticable power draw during sleep mode and if you happen to remove the battery while unplugged, your windows session is gone.

 

Tell us how you like it. I was very disappointed with the AUO panels, that I have seen so far.

 

would it be possible to upgrade to a higher resolution panel?

 

Not at this juncture. Im sure once the DIY gears really get rolling we might see a solution

 

Anyone figure out how to unlock the GT 650m fully yet?

 

the Acer W700 puts an end to that with its 11.6-inch 1080p IPS panel. Would that fit in our machines?! *droools*

 

What do you mean "by unlock"?

 

unlock the other 384 cores

probably what he has in mind is remove the cap on gpu clock

 

I doubt it's an lvds screen

 

No one answered, so I'll try asking again:

Are the new Beta drivers from nVidia working with Optimus in the W110ER?
For a fresh windows installation, should we put the old drivers from clevo or the new ones from nVidia?

There's nothing left to "unlock" in the W110's GK107. All the ALUs, TMUs and ROPs are already being used.
Unless what you mean is voltage and clock selection.

 

Sorry, meant clock speed. All the utilities only allow you to clock to max turbo but nothing more.

 

Then again, it's probably a bit worthless to clock that GPU even higher, given its bandwidth starvation.

Overclocking the VRAM should bring better results, something like going to 1100MHz may be doable.
Maybe there's space inside the laptop to put a couple of heatspreaders on the VRAM, and then with a little overvolt it could get over 1100MHz.

Getting to some 35GB/s of VRAM bandwidth would be worth a lot more than increasing the core clock, especially for getting the laptop to output ~1080p on an external monitor.


Now, about those Beta drivers.. am I going to have to try it first hand? Has no one tried them yet?

 

For people in UK or Europe. Heres the sellers I found which are selling the Clevo W110ER. (Not bought one yet, saving up!)

Cheapst 1 - 4 Expensive (In order)

1) PC Specialist - 'Inferno 11.6'
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2) mySN.de - 'XMG A102'
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3) CyberPowerSystems - 'Xplorer X1M'
Xplorer X1M

4) PWNPCs UK - 'Clevo W110ER'
SAGER NP6110 / Clevo W110ER 11.6" Ultra Portable High Performance Gaming Laptop | PWN PCS

 

I have easy hit over 1100Mhz on the Memory with my overclock.. I get 36.6GB/s bandwidth and can probably go even higher.

I have the beta drivers and have had them installed since the day they were released. They have improved performance in my favorite game by 5-10FPS in most areas of the map, Just Cause 2

 

I only used beta drivers so I cannot compare, but Optimus works fine and so does the power-conserving feature. True both of 302 and 304 drivers.

 

That's great, thanks.
How far have you gone with the memory, BTW? Have you ever looked over the chips to see their rated speeds?

Thanks.

 

Already looked. Only one vRAM chip could possibly get a heat spreader. The others are under the fan actually, so should be getting cooling, and then the others on the complete other side of the motherboard that would require completely disassembling the machine and then there'd only be room for a copper shim if at all. I know vRAM additional clock would help, but I'm sure there's lots of headroom on the GPU itself, but it's limited to max boost.

Also, not interested in outputting to 1080p monitor, I'm fine with the stock screen which is why I got it, and understood 1080p would be a bottleneck.

I can run over 1100MHz, but in MSI Kombustor or Furmark I get the "sparkles" artifacting, but in benchmarks they don't exist. So for sake of benchmarking I can get it faster but it's not safe for gaming imho.

 

To those of you that installed the beta drivers - are you guys using windows 8? I only see the versions that are for windows 8.

 

On my Clevo once I modify the INF on the 301.42 drivers to let me install it I can use MSI Afterburner to increase the limit beyond 950 for the turbo. I've gone as far as 1Ghz with a successful 1 hour run of OCCT:GPU SL8.

I went back to the stock drivers as I didn't like the problems I had with the idle power draw staying high, the 301.42 and 302.59 drivers don't seem to have full support for the Kepler chips yet. The Adaptive Vsync was cool and lowered the power usage when gaming on the battery but the idle power draw was ~5W higher then the stock drivers and MSI Afterburner showed that the core mhz did not drop to 135mhz as before but only to 835mhz(840 when OCing) at idle.

I haven't retried this with the newer betas but I'd bet you'd still be able to overclock. I'm interested in hearing if the optomus works correctly in the newer betas.

I believe that someone else has exceeded 950mhz on the core using the beta drivers and MSI afterburner.

Stock 295.93 drivers:

Stock Mhz

Spoiler

Plus 150Mhz vRam

Spoiler

301.42 Drivers

Stock speeds

Spoiler

Plus 150Mhz vRam, Plus 50Mhz Core

Spoiler

 

I've had Optimus issues with these drivers. It would almost always activate the 650, even during startup or when just rightclicking anywhere. This was a mess as the 650 would always show up in HWMonitor even when it wasn't supposed to and the turbo went on and off frequently.
Went back to stock, now everything's fine.

 

So glad somebody else posted this. I was afraid to post this thinking I was crazy! OMG this issue with the beta drivers is so annoying. I would always love to hit the start button and type "cmd" and enter and it always comes up instantly. Now I have to wait 1-3 seconds! When I reverted back to the stock drivers all these problems went away. I don't think the beta drivers are worth installing quite just yet

The pro's of the beta drivers are they increase performance a fair but and they also help with my battery life and heat output.

 

Hey guys, I have a question. My W110 (3612) always shuts down, when I do a stresstest (Prime + Furmark) after 10 minutes. It always does this when exceeding 90°C (CPU Package). Is that a new heat protection that came with Bios 1.0.0.3?

Also the CPU doesn't throttle down to 1,8GHz as it normally did. I Opened Throttle Stop once and activate the turbo, but that doesn't change settings until after the next reboot right?

What could be the problem here?

 

Goodness, do you just have stock thermal paste on there?

Sent from my PG41200 using Tapatalk 2

 

Yes, but Notebookcheck also has stock paste and they have way higher temps than I and still can run the stress tests for over an hour.

Plus I lose my warranty, when repasting.
[EDIT]
Is there any other part aside of CPU&GPU which can order a shutdown, when too hot?

 

Lose warranty when repasting? Wow, where did you buy this from?

Edit: Also most of the high temps we have seen here almost all have been caused by a dodgy paste job and a repaste solved the issue.

 

Sager doesn't void warranty for repasting, and I don't believe most Clevo builders do either.

 

mine did too before repasting, also before either the cpu or the gpu reached 100C

repasting cured it, though idle temps remain very similar

 

Mysn.de told me never to unscrew the heatsinks or else I will void the warranty.
However I don't think my temps are this high to force a shutdown. They are hardly above 90°C.
As I posted earlier Notebookcheck had higher temps and theirs would throttle instead of shutting down.
Any ideas? Or does someones notebook behave in the same way?

 

You lose your warranty if you damage something, but not if you handle with care (should be like that). Clevo Systems are famous for their easy servicing!
Also, how should they find out that you changed the thermal paste? Their is no warranty seal, they wont check that out in the laboratory

 

Well, I might give it a go then. I still have some MX3 lying around here. Will that do?
Still I am not convinced, that this will solve my problem, as my computer shuts down even before reaching temps, that you guys measured even after repasting.

 

Repaste is not the solution... I can also go higher than 90° without shutting down (both bios 1.0.0.3).

Sure it will help to workaround the issue, but one should better try to answer his initial question instead of trying to temper the problem

On a side note, my touchpad is really sensitive and I have to disable it when I type on keyboard, or the mouse cursor will jump and click elsewhere on the screen. Also jumps from time to time when simply using it, as it easily detects if I touch it lightly around its edges, with another part of my hand...

Do you guys find it very usable, or do you also have problems working with it ?
Some keyboard keys also have a hit or miss attitude with me

 

@lastnikita
Thanks for your post. I don't really like the idea of repasting, when mysn told me not to.
I'd certainly rather find out what causes my shutdown. Could it even be a software triggered incident? All I have installed are the original dirvers incl. Intel Management Interface, RapidStorage, etc.

I also have the problem with the touchpad. For some reason I can't find the palm detection option in the drivers menu. The keyboard is, in my opinion, only a toy. It is too small and also the keys are hard to push if you do not hit the exact middle. Nevertheless you get used to it though.

 

Especially with the smaller sized keys. The ?/ button really gives me a headache, unless I hit it flush in the middle with a good amount of pressure it doesn't register. I tried snapping the key off and seeing if any debris was causing the problem but there was nothing I could see.

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As for the touchpad issue, you can increase/decrease palm sensitivity. Seems to help for me so that the pad is not jumping every which way when I type. Also if you use an external mouse you may disable it when you have said mouse plugged in.

 

I was going to say, I don't have much issue with the keyboard and I can type relatively fast (80WPM?) and have medium sized fingers. BUT the ?/ key gives me headaches too. It's annoying. Must be an issue with the design.

 

I just saw the Eurocom version of the Clevo W110ER..and found out it has the option of the intel 3920. I was kind of depressed because I had just ordered through xoticpc with the basic 3610 model. But then realized it costs an extra $1035 for the 3920. WAY out of my price range.

However with that being said, is it possible to manually change out the processors? If so, is it difficult and what kind of prices are we looking at for the processors?

 

@halosurfer

Just figured out we have the same screen, just read out a different ID.

 

What power supply do you have?
I´d guess you only have the 90W power supply!
What applications/games where you running?
What system specs do you have exactly?

 

It is possible to manualy change out the processors... this is one of the nicest feature of the W110ER

And I believe the current market price of a 3920XM is around USD 1,250... Check this out.

 

I've more than noticed this myself while working in Gentoo. Kind of an important key. It's probably just wonky because it's not full-sized, and it's placed right next to a similarly non-full shift key.

 

Is it as easy as replacing the processor on a desktop?

 

What are you talking about this is a laptop?

And yes it couldn't be easier, same goes with the Clevo laptops.

 

I have a 90W and a 130W PSU.
I have a 3612QM, 8GB RAM, 750 Momentus XT and Win 7 Ult.
The shutdown always occurs, when running Prime95 (Ver 27.7) and Furmark (Ver 1.10.1) at the same time for about 5 minutes. It happenes with both PSUs. It also occurs when I put the notebook on a cooling pad. Except than it takes longer. I know I will never reach these temps under normmal conditions, but other notebooks do not shut down.

I used throttle stop once. I don't know if that can change something permanently.

 

ThrottleStop does not make any permanent changes. Reboot your computer and do not run ThrottleStop and your computer will run just the same as it did before you tried this program.

Lots of laptops are under designed and don't have what it takes to run both Prime95 and Furmark at the same time. They either overheat and shut down or they throttle the CPU or GPU to a fraction of the rated speed. Many low watt power supplies can not deliver the necessary amount of power for this test.

If you want to know why your computer shuts down then monitor your CPU and GPU temperatures and monitor power consumption at the wall will a Kill-a-Watt meter or similar. It's either power consumption or heat related.

 

Hey thanks unclewebb. I thought so, but I wasn't absolutely sure. My temps are pretty much alright. I'll get a one of these devices then to measure power output.

 

Will these work on the NP6110? It says RAM but I want them for the CPU.

8x Memory MC-200 Copper Heat Sink For DDR DDR2 DDR3 RAM | eBay

http://tinyurl.com/765nyg4

 

I don't see why not. It's cheap, quick, and easy to do and if it helps with temps even a couple deg C why not.

I've always wondered why they don't make the OEM heatsinks with some fins on them to add more surface area. I know the idea is to run everything through the heatpipe and cooled by the fan, but it really wouldn't cost them much more to have fins as part of the heatsink to help dissipate some heat right from the start.

 

Wow what a great program!! Just finished testing ARMA 2 with ThrottleStop... works!!

I love the ability to set the multiplier manually so I can pick the setup that meets MY temp requirements (comfort level). With ARMA2 and a propped up notebook I can get to FULL TURBO while using the 650M (for me this is with a 3720 I7 at 3.6ghz!). AFter about an hour of stress testing (in game) my temps get to max 88C, avg 75C.

I am going to look for a notebook cooler tomorrow. But just wanted to say AWESOME!! This gives this notebook even MORE versatility, power and lifespan!

Great work!

 

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should look into making a laptop cooler on your own with case fans

quite cheap and they actually cool ur laptop down considerably unlike most laptop coolers on the market

 

I think its the bios.
The notebook shuts down if it uses more then 90W at a longer time, shortly this power consumtion doesnt make problems.
This is just a security shutdown, the temperatures should not be responsible for that.