*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

What's going to be hard to swing is the fact that I simultaneously broke beyond cost effective repair and also voided the warranty on my previous laptop. I'm just going to go with "I sold it" if she asks. Plus, "that's no different than my $200 netbook and you spend how much for it?"

At work, so no pics right now.

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I really think you've got something defective. I've run many stress tests and HTwingnut did his review and neither of us have had this problem. My wall measured power draw numbers are the same as his using my Kill-A-Watt meter and no one else seems to be having the problems you are having.

The hottest I can get, running wPrime on all cores and MSI Kombuster, does not result in throttling or shut down. It just cruises along at 95C and 3.1GHZ now that I'm using Throttlestop to get the CPU to run above the not-turbo limit while the dGPU is running.

The only throttling like behavior you should see with a stock machine is that the CPU will not go above the non-turbo speed limit for your model CPU while the dGPU is running. This isn't really throttling in the technical sense as anything above that speed is Turbo, which Intel does not promise you to be able to get.

If you're seeing true throttling(the machine running slower then that non-turbo speed due to thermal or power constrains) then you have something defective as the cooling is sufficient for both 100% dGPU and CPU with out hitting the design temp limit that causes the thermal protections to throttle the CPU.

 

Is it some sort of Ninja Turtle?

Well I'd add average built quality to the list.
When I got mine I was stunned by the impressive performance, which is worlds apart frim the emelevenex. Plus the Clevo keeps the noise down. : )

No, better not. She might put it into the aquarium. Then it's certainly beyond repair.

 

Still cannot go through with it even though I have reached the finance completion several time haha.

The performance is desktop replacement standard which is what is drawing me in so much along with the good cooling. I am just torn to wait for the possibility of the matte screen and backlit keyboard option what a masterpiece it will be then, my main gribe is sell the R3 while it is still hot or wait till next year and hope it does not depreciate too much. Nuts.

 

Good lord people! Average build quality? If you've ever had Dell, HP, Acer, even Asus the build quality is far better than any of those. I would say it's close to automotive quality fit and finish. There are a couple spots that are a little questionable, but overall it's a very solid machine, firm hinge. You push down on it anywhere and nothing gives.

I agree the screen should be better, at least offer a matte as standard with option for glossy. Otherwise the machine is near perfect considering the components it houses. The keyboard is hit or miss, based on personal preference but I've dealt with a lot worse. It's not tinny sounding when typing or mushy anywhere. Ability to press more than 3 keys simultaneously would be quite nice though, especially for a "gaming" laptop. The touchpad is actually good size for the size of the machine and has actual individual buttons compared with many laptops have a single button or soft buttons (yech).

 

Well, I didn't say built quality is bad. But it's also not extraordinarily good. So I would call it average. That can of course mean, that there are even worse machines. (I know that for a fact I had a HP tx2, which I sent in more than five times.)
Maybe I am spoiled by the Alienware, but that's the point from where I am looking at.

 

Yeah Alienware is decent. They have their share of build issues though. I got an M11x with horrible gaps, loose screw embedded in the speaker, bulging keyboard, among several other things. I know it happens, but Alienware is still Dell. Even the best designed laptops can end up being total crap without good quality control and build objectives.

 

Well there are indeed issues with some units. After all these things are crafted by humans, even though they are called "Alienware". (Sorry if I destroyed someones illusions here. ;P)
The whole R1 & R2 batch had the "hinge issue", if you remember.

I am not talking about this when I say built quality. I much rather mean the sturdiness and the stability of the whole body, which is way better on the Alienware, whereas it is already pretty decent on the Clevo.
Sorry man, it's kind of hard to express myself in a foreign language. So sometimes it might read different from what I actually meant. Trying hard though.

 

No problem. I just don't want users to get the idea that Clevo's are a flimsy noodle (and I've had some of those laptops too). Clevo's have their share of issues too. But yeah AW and Clevo's are generally pretty good overall build quality compared to other laptops.

 

actually I love the access panel, very easy to service everything. The little connector to reset the BIOS battery is very nice too.
Everything is quite solid, my only complaint is the battery seems a little loose. The again I came from a DV6-1045eem, after the N61 died, which was built like a tank, the damn thing was heavy as hell and even had iron support crossbars under the hinge.

 

Indeed I have some defects (battery and touchpad), but none that shall trigger this
Actually if you read again, I have no throttling problem.
My last report was full turbo for both cpu & gpu.
1st time I benched, the cpu TURBO "throttled", which is why I mentionned that it didn't that time, because of lower temps.
But that 1st time, nothing shuts down. Now it shutdowns while temps are lower

And I posted this because another member was reporting shutdowns, so I thought it might help
This is not a defect, this is a feature hehe.... But I'm not sure yet why it is shutting down exactly, nor how I can fix it if needed (and I don't atm).

 

As for the screen, would it be so bad to use an antiglare protector?? They're cheap.
Lexerd - Apple MacBook Air 11.6 inch TrueVue Anti-Glare: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

Also, as I see some of you have putted the samsung 830 into this midget, the only "problem" is that it "flies" 2,5 mm over the chassis?

 

Interesting. Why would it change its behaviour? I am still curious what causes these shutdowns. Maybe it's another component, like a resistor that gets too hot?

@HtWingNut: When you open the back you can see three black square resistors. Two above the heatsink and one below them. They have about the size of one of them Ram Cooler Heatsinks. Would it make sense to stick them on there?

 

@lastnikita : Have you tried replacing the Intel 330 for a HDD and test it? I know it seems a non related problem, but you never know with ssd's, they're still a very new technology.

And there's any hope that the new asus ux21 IPS full hd screen will work with the w110er?? (pls say yes)

 

We all wish but the w110er has a LVDS connector for its display and I'm rather certain that the Asus IPS screens are using the new eDP connector. No one has taken one apart so we may still get lucky but this year was to be the year that the transition to eDP was to really kick off and given how radically improved that display is over what has come before I'm not very hopeful it is using the old standard of connection.

 

Im afraid it answers itself as LVDS only supports up to 1336x768 resolution max.

 

LVDS supports 1440x900 max, Dual LVDS supports more and eDP does as well, while being a smaller connector.

 

1 chanel lvds only suports up to 1280X800 or 1366x768
Changed once a 1280x800 screen to a 1440x900 screen on a Toshiba and was necessary to add the extra cables for the dual LVDS to work.

 

It does look remarkably the same. I guess difference is the Clevo comes with its own carrier where the Asus looks like it's subflush to the top surface. In any case keyboard layout does look the same.

edit: Here's a much closer look

 

I'm definetly going to buy this baby. I'm just worried about the notebookcheck review that claims about flickering issues when connecting to an external screen using the VGA port. Did you experience any of that?

 

It would really suck if Clevo introduces a new 11 incher with the eDP connector together with a 1920x1080 screen next year. Although the whole screen would be too damn small to do anything productive it sure helps in multi-tab excel sheets lol. It's my only main gripe that's making me second-guessing for buying this.

 

Dont think the matte is worth it, I cant see anything on the screen if there is sun on it. And I hear matte is better for out door usage? I'd be happier with glare, than not being able to see a dam thing.

 

Thankyou for the much better picture. Did the keyboard seem smaller or about the same size to you? This is what I used to help my choice to buy the clevo or not. After trying the Asus I decided that this was not the dealbreaker that I thought it would be.

Now that you have had your Sager a while does the battery life seem to be better? Someday there will be standard types of batteries for laptops by the size of the screen and you will have a choice of 6 cell or 9 cell. Not everyone creating their own shape and size.

 

I've been thinking about getting this laptop but from what I've read, the idle temps for this laptop seem to be pretty high. Should I be worried about that?

 

No. <ten chars>

 

Idle temps have to do with the fan not running or running slowly to reduce noise. Load temps are what matters.

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Ok thanks!

 

Maybe. But it's more likely due to CPU/GPU/PSU consumption.
I thought Prema could help but I think he misunderstood me, likely because of my english

I could even try to plug a floppy disk, just in case, however I know it wouldn't help
I'm sure most of you people did not test as I did, or you would get shutdowns too.

No, can you quote those claims ? They may have specific conditions to make it flicker.

 

I'm currently using the HDMI and VGA outputs in a dual monitor setup while at home (identical monitors). I do notice that the screen quality of the VGA output to be slightly worse than the HDMI, but very slightly - likely owing to the difference between digital and analog signals. And that's only because it's sitting next to the HDMI output, and again I can only notice it when I place a HD picture across the divide. I don't think you'll notice any difference unless you have eagle eyes.

 

Hi!
I was wondering if the 6110 supports 2560x1600 as external resolution?
thanks!

 

I think you have Matte and Glossy mixed up, Matte, for the most part, does not reflect while the Glossy does (think glass). Now the problem is, some people prefer glossy because it doesn't have some of the distortion that is usually present in Matte screens. I personally don't care as the anti-glare properties of the matte outweighs any drawbacks of color distortion (it's not only in sunlight that you'll see glare, if you work with a window behind you or a bright light).

 

It's an HDMI 1.4a so yes it should support 2560x1600. It should technically support 4096x2160 using just a single link cable.

 

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That would be nice to know. But as I said mine even shuts down with CPU clocked to 1200, which makes me think of a heat relared "feature". Doesn't explain why it changed on your unit.
Are you going for a 5.25" Floppy then?

Great. Let's hope it is not as messed up as the former one.

 

I think you've got something defective. Both HTwingnut and myself have tested our w110ers in a fashion that is rather extreme and we get no shut downs. I'm using the stock 90W PSU and he's using the 120W.

I've had wPrime putting all the cores on the CPU at 100%, while running MSI Kombustor to put the dGPU at 100%, and using Throttlestop to let the CPU turbo while on the dGPU. I did this for a hour to test my OCing of the dGPU and I had no shut downs. I was drawing 105W from the wall, which comes out to 90W DC to the laptop as my PSU is ~85% efficient in its AC to DC conversion. My temps did level at 95C for the CPU and 89C for the dGPU.

And I had no shut downs.

 

Nailed it. Get your gpu over 90° and it will shutdown very soon.
So, as I said, nothing defective here, just a temp feature
I wish I could order another heatsink somewhere (and possibly backplate) :-/

And above all with the dGPU which won't disable when inactive..
instead it goes full clock, thus keeping consumption / temperatures higher, and autonomy lower.

Is this bug the BIOS fault ?
Can't be driver related and stay unfixed that long, right ?

 

Mainly when using Full HD resolutions.

 

couldn't notice any flickering in VGA full-hd...
In the german/french review they don't talk about it either, only about it being fuzzy, which I didn't notice but I didn't look carefully nor do I have another hdmi screen to compare.

 

good to know

 

lastnikita, do you have the ic diamond thermal paste?

 

Nop, AS3, but that doesn't make much difference, why do you ask ?

 

I was under the impression that it does make a difference, actually.

 

That anti glare screen is for the Apple macbook and probably non-trival to install. I imagine the install process is like:
1. remove the screen cover
2. unhook the screen cables and remove the screen
3. center and mount the screen to the anti-glare film as per the instructions
4. cut the excess film that exceeds the screen's size (apple laptops are glass-faced and this film will be meant to cover the whole thing)
5. reinstall the monitor

PS> Pretty sure the 830 fits just fine, I've seen several sites offering them.

 

oops, forgot to mention: xotic appears to be having a sale or something, as the spec I usually see at ~$1450-$1600 is running only ~$1100 today on their site (sans an ISO keyboard upgrade and using a crucial m4 instead of a samsung 830, as they dont offer these).

 

Tiny one, few degrees if applied the exact same way.

 

molto obrigado

 

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Hi Guys,

I'm about to bite the bullet on one of these machines

However just another question about the charger unit - some vendors sell a 90w power supply and some a 120w power supply.

Why the difference?

Is there any significance in regards to the charger being a larger 120w or will it be fine having a 90w power supply? Should I be getting one over the other?

Specs I'll be going for are

i7-3720QM
16GB 1600MHZ RAM
512GB Crucial M4
Killer Wireless/Intel Advanced 6235

 

You've got something wrong with your machine. I don't know of anything in the documentation that calls for a entire machine shut down if the dGPU reaches 90C and I've been unable to make my machine reach 90C with out going to the drastic step of holding the fan still.

I was OCing the dGPU and having the CPU run at full turbo and I didn't reach 90C after a hour. When I'm running at the default settings I don't break 83C and HTwingnut didn't break 85C on the dGPU, even with the factory default paste.

As to the dGPU running at full clock all the time. I find that if I stick with the stock drivers(295.93), my dGPU will clock down properly when not in use. It is just when I update to any of the newer drivers(which don't officially support the 650M) that I have a issue with the dGPU running flat out all the time.

Now, I do have the problem on the stock drivers of the dGPU staying at min clocks when ever I have any kind of GPU monitoring program turned on. This results in higher power draw and is very inconvenient. I also see the bouncy power draw problem, which I think is due to some poling being done by windows or a nvidia driver, that kicks the dGPU on for a split second every few seconds.

Both of these are driver issues and we may be waiting a while before they are fixed as I've never seen quick fixes from nVidia on issues that don't affect their gamer class chips. The GT 650M is technically not a gaming class chip (it would be GTX if it was) and I'm worried that it won't get fixed as I've seen this happen before when they don't have to worry about many people reviewing and pointing out the flaw to people before they spend their money.

 

Sager is offering the 120W PSU with any machine that gets a 45W CPU (i.e. quad core). However the machine has an inherent limitation where if power draw reaches close to 90W the battery will not charge whether with 90W or 120W PSU. The 120W PSU just gives a little bit of headroom, plus you won't be stressing the PSU near max power draw during gaming if you use a 90W PSU.