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Ahh awesome thanks heaps for that info

So I guess a 90w power supply is fine - it will just stress while charging on a higher load?

So both the 90w and 120w won't charge when it reaches close to 90w? Is there going to be any fix from this by Clevo do you think?

What would be your personal opinion be? Get a 120w PSU or stick with the 90w?

 

This makes sense. Whenever my GPU hits 93°C it instantly shuts down, regardless of the CPU Temp. Well I guess repasting could solve my problem then. But I am intimidated by what you wrote, that you had to bend the heatpipe etc.

 

People please read before posting !
Thanks for your comment but I can't repeat myself each and every time.
My heatsink is bended, I warned everyone twice about (not doing) this

Then you don't know it all, as most of people here, not a big deal !
That is exactly why I posted this info. So that now, you know.

What's your ambiant temp ? Which tests were you doing, and which maximum temps did you reach after an hour ?

It's supposed to standby, not just clock down. So it's not "proper" at all..
If it was just supposed to clock down, there would be no benefit in using optimus, just losses, think about it.

I can't even have it clocked down when using stock drivers, it's staying at full speed too when unused, it only clocks down when in use but idle.

How do you know it's not the case when your monitoring programs are off ?

By chance, does someone know any other laptop model with a 650M ?

 

Well, if you're carefull with the heatpipe, you shouldn't have any trouble, it's worth the try. If you're adventurous, plug your laptop to an external screen, and run it upside-down with the backplate removed.
Then apply a slight pressure on some points of the gpu heat spreader while monitoring temps.
If you can get lower temps that way, then your heatpipe is not curved correctly too !
I don't think repasting really is "the solution", as you'll only gain few degrees if actual thermal paste is correctly applied already. So your gpu will stay near its own limits, which is not good (if the vents get obstructed, if it gets really hot in august, etc.)
I think it shouldn't go higher than 85° even in torture tests if it's done right, but I couldn't get to that state yet

When the machine draws close to 90W, the PSU is supposed to draw ~105W due to efficiency right ?
So a 90W PSU won't hold the charge, while the 120W version will ?

 

Power supplies are rated in how much power they supply to the device (after the inefficiencies of converting it), not how much they can draw from the wall. So a 90W power supply with 80% efficiency could supply up to 90W to the laptop, and draw 120W (90/.8) from the wall.

 

Right. I found about 105W the machine is supplying about 90W. I did have it slowly creep up to about 108-109W over time, but likely because the PSU was heating up and losing some efficiency. In any case even with the 120W PSU the laptop would not charge when at that power draw.

 

@lastnikita have you considered using a thin square of copper to help making contact with the heatsink, and also provinding more stability?

 

Thought of it... Do you know where I could find appropriate pieces ?
I guess the heatpipe would still have to be perfectly flat, or slightly curved outside though.
Is there anyone (or a shop) that could provide a heatpipe, and/or a backplate ?

 

copper gpu y en eBay.es

http://www.ebay.es/itm/6-CPU-GPU-He...15784027?pt=AU_Components&hash=item46040eb75b actually this seams better as offers different types of thickness to try until you find the perfect one.

http://s.dealextreme.com/search/copper+shim

as for the whole heatsink I'm afraif you will have to find any clevo compatible one and search for it.

 

Ran Prime95 and Furmark at the same time for 15 minutes. Topped at

CPU- 95-96 C for all cores
GPU- 90-91 C

I re-pasted from stock paste to IC7 and installed 8 copper heatsinks inside. this is a great improvement from stock where I couldn't run both programs at the same time and not shut down within 5 minutes.

Kinda worries me about the temp threshold of 90C for the GPU. But I don't think it should be an issue since running the witcher 2 gets me up to 83-85C

Trying to see if I should follow HTwingnut fan mod....

By the way, I noticed the black cable connecting the intel N6235 is touching the upperleft screw that holds Heat sink. Do you guys think It is ok? or maybe should use some electrical tape to secure it away from it?

 

Thanks for the description. I'd rep you except it says i can't. Since only my GPU gets so hot, even with a cooling pad, I might try repasting and see if the screws might be lose.

I want to order IC Diamond 7. Is that the paste I should get?

Since Clevo designed the W110ER for a 90W PSU both should hold the charge.

 

That's the temps I got with my initial setup, using stock paste !

It doesn't touch anything on mine, just put it away ! (mine is on the left of the cpu spreader, next to the capacitors)

 

I guess so... there was another one supposed to be better, but a pain in the to apply correctly, can't remember its name.

I meant charge the battery, it won't if the system is already drawing near 90W, but HTwingnut says it won't with a 120W PSU either since it's bios locked.
So the only advantage would be a less stressed PSU for torture tests lovers =)

 

Need fast answer pls. I want to finally check if the clevo's keyboard is the exact same as the 10'' asus eee. I typed on the eee yesterday at the mall and it was quite unconfortable to hold the left (gamer) hand properly between wasd and ctrl+shift keys.

Could any of you that has the w110er already go to a place and check if the eee keyboard is indeed the same spacing/size as the clevo?? Thanks!

 

I don't have a 10" eee but I can say the keyboard is the exact same as the asus transformer keyboard dock.

 

Ah, the joys of living in California. My W110ER shipped today, and it's supposed to be delivered tomorrow

Now, just have to think about how to get it into the house without alerting the wife...

 

So, I ordered the Sager NP 6110 through XoticPC on the 14th of June. It is now July 5th, and it's been in phase 3 since June 28th. Granted, I did a wire transfer (took 4 days for XoticPC to received over a weekend) and I am having it shipped to an FPO AP address. With that being said, Sager has to build it (nothing special in it other than having all logos stripped) then send it to XoticPC for the white glove packaging. Once that's complete it will be finally be sent my way. Is this process taking too long or am I just anxious?! It would be one thing if it were on it's way but it's still in the states!

 

butters, i placed an order on the 16 and went to phase 3 on the 23. It is still phase 3 for me.

 

I ordered mine on the 29th, I just hit phase 2 today. And building takes 9-12 days, shipping about 3-7 depending on what you chose. Phase 3 takes an extra 9-16 days to do custom paints or skins, I didn't choose that on mine, I don't want to wait an entire month to get this laptop. You shouldn't even be on phase 3 if you didn't choose any custom logo or paint job on the laptop. You should be on Phase 4, beside the 110er comes without a brand logo on its stock barebone from clevo. If you selected not to have a logo pasted on it, I would assume you wouldn't even hit phase 3 at all, but phase 4 instantly after 2.

I am a first time customer with xoticpc, I have no idea how they do things, But custom skinning doesn't seem worth it to me, gonna upgrade to a new laptop in 1 - 2 years anyway.

 

Bought a barebones with nothing in it and it shipped in 3 days. I can't imagine waiting a month for a laptop, especially when I don't have a functioning one right now

 

I placed my order on June 18th.. it had already shipped and *may be* delivered tomorrow, or else Saturday/Monday (it's just arrived at UPS in a neighboring state). That is just a straight NP6110 with i7 CPU and IC diamond paste - standard case (did not ask for tag removal) and standard shipping, not white glove, so no additional special work had to be done.

I contacted XoticPC on the June 21st for an ETA and they advised me that "Sager is a little backed up right now on computers with the 7970M so they are asking us to hold off on processing orders with those as they get caught up. They are letting us send in orders a batch at a time which isnt too far apart from each other, maybe 2-4 days."

On June 27th, XoticPC advised, "Looks like we actually got your computer into production on the 22nd. Sager is saying 6-12 business days for build times and I have been seeing around the full 12 business days. Once it does ship we'll email you and let you know."

The order shipped on the 30th, only a few days later. UPS ground from CA to NYC, so it's taken a week just in shipping since then. I guess they had one all ready with same specs from a canceled order or something, since it went through faster than they predicted.

Hope that helps.

 

Build times can vary depending on many reasons. If you pay by bank wire then it does take longer as the payment does have to clear before it's approved for production.
If you have a reason for it to ship to us first like the white glove packaging, custom screen, overclocking, or one of the other features that we do here you will get a phase 3 which can take 4-7-13 business days depending on that additional feature.

 

Hi Guys,

I've got my new Clevo-w110er just yesterday, what a fantastic laptop. I had M11x-R1 but this is something else in terms of performance.

So far during gameplay these are my temps:

Min Temp for CPU 43c and GPU 39-42
Max Temp for CPU 81c and GPU 64 during intensive gaming...

Overall I am so happy with this laptop

 

I noticed you have the matte screen. Did you order from xoticpc? How long did it take? I, too, ordered a matte screen.

 

I don't have 3610qm but my i5 3360m runs cooler than what I have seen in this thread specially when CPU is idle

 

Hi

I ordered it from mysn.de and it took almost 3 weeks but the screen-quality is descent, even i used it outdoor with no issue.

 

I already told you what tests and temps I and HTwingnut have gotten. His review is here.

The Kepler GPU chip should be throttling long before it reaches a thermal shut down limit. On the Desktop chips(because I don't want to test this on my personal machine) you can see it here: Even at the end there it is just clocking down to 135 MHZ and not shutting down.


From the Techpowerup Review.

All the Kelper GPUs have a thermal limit at 98C from this forum thread and that limit only results in the core throttling down to its minimum speed, not shutting down the entire computer.

Prema might be able to weigh in on this subject as he has been playing with the vBIOS. It should be the same set point on our chips but no one ever publishes detailed whitepapers on their mobile chips. The desktop thermal limit is well documented, such as here for the 680.

If your machine is shutting down at 90C it is not the CPU or GPU temp causing it as you'd see throttling to the minimum speeds well before reaching a shut down setpoint and your temps shouldn't be reaching any shutdown limits unless you've completely removed any source of cooling. If you are reaching thermal shutdown limits something is very wrong as this machine is well enough designed that you shouldn't. If it was so poorly designed as to be possible then the guys who are pushing the OCs would be reporting it also.

This is a video of a C2D booting into windows without the heatsink attached. I don't recall anyone doing this on newer CPUs but the thermal protections used in modern chips haven't changed significantly from those days.

Heck, even back in the P4 days Tomshardware showed that with the throttling feature, that was new to chips back then but is now standard, it wouldn't kill the chip or cause it to hit a shutdown limit.

As far as the dGPU speeds when I have the monitoring programs off I have several different ways to monitor power consumption from the wall. Both the Kill-A-Watt meter and my UPS show the drop in power draw as the dGPU clocks down. It is proper for it to clock down when not in use. I agree that it should go completely idle per Optimus when it is not in use but at least with the stock drivers it does clock down. I can see the clocking down using the monitoring software when I shut down a program that is using the dGPU and just sit at the desktop with the monitoring program running. When I turn off my monitoring program I do not see a jump in power draw on either of the available meters, which indicates that the dGPU clocks stay at minimum even when not being monitored. This is on the stock drivers. It does not behave this way on any of the beta drivers I have tried.

I do not have accurate room temperature readings as I have no external temp probe that has been calibrated to be trustworthy. I am in a un-ACed condo so my temps were around 26-29C when I was doing the testing but I did not bother logging it as the only data I have available is the local weather station and it is ~3 KM away and so I can't know the temp closer then a couple degrees. This is part of why I have not published a review as HTwingnut has done.


You spent good money on this laptop and from what you are experiencing should be able to get warranty replacement. Prema, HTwingnut, myself, and others do not experience shutdowns when OCing and pushing this machine to the max with >1hr, 100% on the CPU and dGPU, testing runs. You say that your machine is doing this at stock clocks when gaming and this should not be happening. The worst it should do, even if you live somewhere with >35C temps, is throttle down.

I've kept parts when they didn't work 100% because I didn't want to bother with the hassle of returning and doing without but I've never had things get better. When they start off not working correctly, it just gets worse and I've regretted the times I've kept something, thinking I could fix it if I just did something differently or modified it somehow.

 

@Baenwort

Perhaps his CPU / MB is faulty cause I experienced this sort of shutdown on my previous machines when there was voltage irregularities on MB which is either a system fault or due to extreme overclocking (e.g. volt mod). As you mentioned it is highly unlikely that heat can cause this...

 

Maybe, maybe not... yours is next-gen, 22nm process if I'm right, so should heat less (than an old-gen quad).. mine is only dual-core, both have the same TDPs. Who knows !

Missed yours, can't find them, well no worries. Anyway, thanks for the extended answer, but I'm sorry to say you're certainly missing a few things =)

Please, let me explain better:

The chip does indeed throttle, but at even higher temps (I could check that myself during testing). Your mistake is probably here, you only take the chip into consideration, whereas the BIOS has its own limits, set by Clevo and not nVidia. I believe the shutdowns WE experienced (if you read again, you'll see that I was answering another person's problem with those tests, and that another member joined the club) are due to the BIOS.

Believe me, even the slightest contact problem between the heatpipe and the chips, and temps will go crazy in seconds, even while throttling.

Quick note about the youtube vids on throttling, do not assume that desktop and mobile chips behave the same way. Constraints are not the same, as mobile chips will heat the whole laptop very fast, which could lead to damages of other components, whereas their desktop counterparts should only damage themselves in theory (HDD can and do get hurt too at times ^^).
Thus the BIOS limits !!
Even considering this, C2D were really cool cpus compared to SB/IV...

Obviously something is very wrong, as I now wrote 3 times, my heatpipe was bended (by me !) and is not perfectly flat anymore !!!

Sorry, I don't understand, earlier you were saying that monitoring apps keep the GPU full-clock ?

Never said that ! Both my reports were running Prime+Furmark with CPU on turbo.. Never had any problem nor throttling while gaming

I may try to get a replacement if I can't get it right, but I'm a little embarrassed since I most certainly did this myself, would not be fair.
However my touchpad seems a bit defective, so... but you got me, I find it hard to return it now it's home

 

I'm beginning to think my system may be defective. Just like lastnikita, I'm seeing thermal shutdowns when my GPU reaches ~92-93C, which happens after about 60 seconds of Furmark. I removed the heatsink to do a repaste and discovered that my heatsink is definitely not sitting flat on either the CPU or the GPU. I use the dot method of pasting, and saw that my dot of paste had spread to all corners of the chip except one, which left a very significant portion uncovered. I suspect this is the root of my problem... going to do some more testing to see if anything helps, but if not... RMA time!

Edit: derp, I meant furmark.

 

I lent my laptop to a friend for a month since she was going on a trip to another continent and needed a laptop. When I got it back I decided to reinstall windows. Reinstalling went fine, however, no matter what I do I cannot get the internet to work on the reinstall. I know the hardware is fine because she checked her email on in before giving it back. Any help?

 

Obvious question, but did you install the wifi drivers?

 

Hearing about these 12-20 day build times really makes me impatient.

I would like to get my w110er by this month, I don't want to wait an entire month just for a slow worker to put in a cpu, and apply ic diamond paste on the two chips. (I am not having a pre-installed os) Seriously seems more like a single day job to me w/ testing. Not 12 days. I probably should've gone with eurocom.

 

Syber is correct. It's normal for a reinstallation of Windows to completely remove all the drivers relating to components. Just reinstall drivers from the Sager website from another computer and use a flash drive to move it over to the W110ER.

 

I ordered from Xotic on the 29th and it shipped on the 5th. Only things I had done was IC dimond paste and Crucial M4 SSD. I think about 7 business days is average for any PC maker. They give you the 12-20 days to give themselves plenty of headroom. With every PC I bought, the makers did the same, and I always got it before the estimate.

 

Prime95 shouldn't heat the GPU
Given the way we must insert the heatpipe, it's not always easy to put it on vertically without moving horizontally a bit before screwing.. which may lead to the thermal paste being spread towards the left side more than the right side, is this what you noticed ?

If you RMA it, please let me know how you described the problem, might be interested !

@rysliv: it often won't be in stock, so that they need to wait for them to arrive first. Then, it may be a 1-hour job, but I hope for them you're not the only customer

 

I selected no operating system, so they came back saying whether or not i wanted to add one. I already have a windows 7 disk, so I don't see why I should throw away another 100 bucks for something I already have.

It delayed it about 48 hours.. I hope i get it this next coming week!

 

I hope I dont have that similar issue that one guy has, with his system shutting off in result of a temperature under the max until damage ~100C

My 540m runs about 80-90C, pretty normal for a laptop with a single vent.

I doubt they were out of stock, i was only delayed because of not selecting an OS for my order. Excited to use this laptop (my first clevo)

 

Just a quick question about power adapters - my W110ER came today, with what appears to be a pretty generic 90W power brick. Says 19V 4.74A and there's a little symbol that looks like [ - -C- + ]. I have a spare Lenovo adapter that fits the charge port of the W110ER, also 19V 4.74A with the same symbol. I'm assuming I won't damage my laptop/battery if I use this adapter as a spare?

 

I did it already but mine was a universal adapter. As long as input voltage is not higher than w110er you should be OK.

 

Hi guys,

here are my temps for i5 3360m - 35w Ivy bridge (Stock paste) during light web-browsing after 20 mins...

and here is my 3dmark 11 benchmark: http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3824774



After watching some youtube videos

 

As long as its the i5 I assume it is safe to use the 90 watt. The power supplies are just built differently, Though if they produce the same voltage and wattage as the stock psu, it is probably fine i'm not sure though.

 

yes, should be fine as long as voltage is the same and amperage si approximately equal or higher

what room temps? mine, with an ivy i5, idles at ~55C and as much as ~63C on a hot day in a hot room

 

Are people with the 3rd generation i5 seeing more battery life?

 

Of course they should, but not much.
We'll see better battery life when the 650M always-active bug is fixed, if they do fix it :-/

 

I am not sure if the 650 is the reason for lower than expected battery life. I changed it in BIOS from deep sleep to full shutdown and the difference was less than a watt...I even disabled the PCIe port, but as long as it is connected (which it always will, because it is on board) the BUS is still be powered and it consumes 30 Watts. So power consumption is far less when the driver can disable it instead...

 

Room temp is 22c and outside is 19c, The CPU idle temp is around ~43, Today is considered hot in my region thus the CPU should not get hotter than this when it is idle.

 

I will test the battery life and report back here

EDIT: I managed to play TF2 online for a bit more than 2 hours on a 32man server(all settings on max with no AA and 100% brightness). Max GPU Temp 60c and CPU 71c

 

Do you think it worked ?
I think it didn't, because I don't know about yours, since your bios is modded, but mine never goes to deep sleep, except if deep sleep only is a 135/400Mhz downclock ?

Mmmm, that's more than a downclocked gpu right ? So trying to disable it, which is not working, may result in the same consumption as a full-powered/clocked (but idle) gpu ?

If it is the 650M problem, do you think we're waiting for clevo or nvidia to solve it ?