*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

Derpity derp McDerpinson, I meant Furmark, not Prime95.

As for the heatpipe, no, I'm able to get it secured without moving it horizontally and bumping the paste (I fumble with a lot of stupidly difficult heatpipes and heatsinks at work, so this one's no big deal). It's just that the assembly is so slanted that it fails to make contact with the whole chip. I don't know if it's the angles on the heatpipe or the screw mounts on the mobo... but something is preventing full contact, and it's screwing up my temps bigtime.

I've just conducted a little experiment... even with very light pressure on that non-connecting corner of the GPU heatsink, my load temps instantly drop down from 92C to ~75C. Something is definitely wrong with this heatsink assembly.

 

What are you guys using as a wireless card in this thing? I bought mine without one because I thought I could re use the Intel card from my Lenovo, but I can't get it to work. On a completely clean install, I downloaded the drivers straight from Intel and get an error that "the device cannot start." This is probably either an incompatibility or hardware problem, and right now I'm getting by on a USB wireless adapter but don't consider that to be a permanent solution.

Can any of you tell me a wireless adapter guaranteed to work in this laptop?

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Got a BSOD on this yesterday shortly after I unplugged the AC power and switched to the internal battery. I continued using the laptop for about 30 seconds, lowered the lid, and then a few minutes later when I raised it I saw that my computer had crashed. Can't remember the reason given exactly, but it said there was a "power failure" or something like that so it seems it was related to switching to battery.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

 

@Syberia look for the ones offered by resellers like Intel® Advanced-N 6235 it also has bluetooth 4.0
only found one in amazon with no pic so not sure where you can get it :/
maybe call a reseller and ask if they would sell you one.

 

Mine is Intel 6230 Advanced-N, so far it works great. I used Clevo's drivers CD for installation.

You can check the compatible cards in here: CLEVO - Products

 

I've read through over 100 pages of this and...

HOW exactly do you unlock the turbo boost with Throttlestop?

I don't know how to use the program, and a simple step by step guide on how to get to 3.3ghz on the 3610qm would be much appreciated

And what kind of temperatures do you get? Dangerous? Uncomfortable (On your lap I mean)? Safe?

 

I'm having a strange problem - I've got Windows and all the drivers installed, including the chipset driver, but the "sleep" option in the start menu is greyed out. When I see this it's normally because I'm missing a driver; what else do I need to install to get that working? Also, Windows will show battery percentage but not estimated time remaining, and Windows Mobility Center does not open/work at all. There is nothing else installed on the laptop currently except for Windows and the drivers from the Clevo CD.

EDIT: Disregard this post. In my haste, I did not install the nVidia driver. I did so, and everything works as it should. It still does not display estimated time remaining on battery, for whatever reason.

 

1. head over to:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/531329-throttlestop-guide-118.html
2. Post a thankyou for unclewebb who made and maintains the program
3. click on his link to get the Throttlestop 5.00 beta 3
4. Download and place somewhere convenient
5. turn on, there will be a warning popup, click yes
6. set the turbo limit to TURBO and click on the box, don't fiddle with the other settings yet at this stage
7. then turn the program ON, it will go from green on the taskbar to red.
8. you are now active, theres more information on: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/531329-throttlestop-guide.html
if you want to fiddle with the other settings.

The way TS5 works is to force the CPU to turbo even when the GPU is active, obviously this causes a huge amount of heat to be produced when CPU and GPU are stressed, I would not recommend using with turbo unlocked on your lap. The overall temps depends on what you are running, with ambient 22 degrees, the CPU typically gets to 80ish and GPU to 70ish when running BF3 for 1hr.
There is one hitch is that the i7-3610m is constrained to a TDP of 45W, I found the chip periodically downclocks to 2.8-2.9ghz every 28 seconds after about 2 minutes of Prime and Furmark. It then might rise again but it soon goes back down in like a cycle. The way around this is to flash Prema's BIOS mod to increase the TDP to something like 60W in the BIOS.

 

A nice idea would be to let people know which card won't work, so that they can profit from your experience too !
Did you try the drivers from lenovo ?

Only do this if you're willing to pay twice the price, otherwise go to an online (components) shop or ebay (careful) for the best deals !
I wouldn't recommand intel 6230 at all, worst perfs I ever saw from a card, many troubles :-/

Those only are the factory options, not a compatible cards listing

As a sidenote, from that website:
Battery life : 410 minutes  (UMA mode with 62.16WH battery)

Not sure what UMA mode is ?
It also says this laptop has optimus, hope they'll make it work instead of that bi-gpu power hog !

... I didn't take the time to google throttlestop once (guide is within the first results !)
... I posted my question twice so that I'm answered faster, because, you know, I have big plans going on, can't afford to lose my precious time without turbo while gaming.
... Gross.

 

It was a Wifi Link 1000 b/g/n. The Lenovo drivers were the first ones I tried, and Device Manager recognizes the device but says it "failed to start." Intel drivers, which appear to be the same as those from Lenovo, fail in the same way. Clevo drivers won't install, saying "hardware is not present" or something like that. So far, I'm getting by on a $15 low-profile USB dongle, which barely sticks out at all and doesn't interfere with operation of the laptop or even interfere with putting it away in its case. I may just continue to go that route, at least for the short-term, as it's working 100%.

As for battery life, it seems decent enough. I ran for about 2 hours tonight and it had about 60% remaining, and part of that time was with an external HDD plugged in copying my files back. Also, my 512gb M4 that had sleep BSOD issues on my (admittedly broken) Y470 works perfectly with the W110ER. HWMonitor, for the record, does not recognize my 650m, so perhaps it's being powered off properly?

Build quality is sturdy and tight, not at all like the two Lenovos I've owned previously which, despite it never causing an actual problem, felt flimsy. The rubberized plastic is a welcome departure from the hard, shiny, fingerprint-magnet finish of the last couple laptops I've had. The styling reminds me of a Thinkpad or other business machine - it wouldn't seem out of place taking this anywhere, and with all the stickers gone, no one needs to know what I've got under the hood until they see me break out a game of BF3.

Does anyone know how to get Windows battery meter to show the amount of run time I have remaining, though? I can't seem to get it to do so, even though my other laptops have all done it by default.

Also, I was considering a matte screen protector, but I don't actually think that will be necessary. Despite being a glossy screen, I haven't had a single issue with glare yet.

EDIT: Downloaded Battery Bar. At 86% charge, it estimates between 4-5 hours of battery life remaining. Discharge rate is between 9-12 watts. I do not have any GPU monitoring/overclocking software active, and since the 650m is not visible in HWMonitor, I'm inclined to believe that it actually is shutting off properly. Drivers for both GPUs are the stock ones that came on the Clevo CD. CPU is set to run at a max of 1.2 ghz on battery, and my wireless adapter and anything else I could change is set to "maximum power saving" or similar when running on battery in power options. HDD is set to turn off after 2 minutes, though it's an SSD so I'm not sure how much good that actually does.

EDIT2: Watching YouTube, discharge is between 12-14 watts. Still sounds like integrated GPU only to me. I'm running a 2630qm with HD 3000, if it makes a difference.

EDIT3: Started up a game (Halo 1). I assume it's using the 650m, because power consumption while playing went to about 25 watts. Stopped playing, and it dropped back down to 10 or so. The conclusion I have to draw from this is that my Optimus is working properly.

 

Lenovo has their own little program that runs on the taskbar displaying battery time remaining, I believe there is a free program or hack to make it display remaining time..
wish battery life wasnt a tad shorter than with an i5.. But it will be similar to my current laptop with 72000mah. I barely get over 4 hours max.

 

Test it carefully, as my first guess would be it's defective.
Mine is, but it doesn't even show battery info or % left. BatteryCare didn't help

Don't you see your own reflections ? That's the single issue I'm having with glare =)

Seems good to me !! and you're the first one to report such a low power drain (can't test myself as my battery is defective), which nvidia drivers do you use ?

 

How do I check battery discharge rate ?

 

I only know batterycare..

 

I'm using BatteryBar at the moment. Works pretty well so far. [Edit] - D'oh, didn't read that post properly.

I'm just barely hitting 4 hours with this guy. I don't know what else to do to extend its battery life, already running with power saver with brightness on the lowest. Would running at a lower resolution extend its life?

 

What's your typical idle power drain, is the question to ask yourself when investigating battery

Running at a lower resolution won't extend its autonomy, except maybe while gaming..

 

Sounds awful... are you running throttlestop? It should make the batterylife slightly better

 

No I'm not actually, I'll check out that guide right away. Anything in particular I should note for using throttlestop? Hopefully it can hit just over 4 hours, now that I've begun using it for university.

Well batterybar estimates around 11-13 mW discharge while I'm using word docs. The numbers really fluctuates a lot, goes from 4:41 to 3:59, back to around 4:40. From my estimate in real life usage I got about 3:50 minutes. It's really not too bad, just enough to last me through a day's use. Still, the more the better.

 

Thanks for the tip my CPU turbo went upto 3.2 for both cores and I had consistent 150FPS in TF2 (high settings, no AA) lol this is epic

Temperature MAX raised to 84c during the turbo

Tnx mate I will check it out

 

Unfortunately you can't use Lenovo WiFi in other notebooks than Lenovo and also the other way you can't use other WiFi in Lenovos. That's because the devices have to have a certain Hardware ID on them. I forgot the name of that though, have to ask a friend. Lenovo says they do this so people won't use WiFi adapters which are not certified for their region. Yeah whatever, but you could use an USB Stick, which isn't certified.

 

Battery life is typically 3.5 to 4hrs no matter what you do. I use balanced mode at 30% brightness and with light use get close to 4 hours. Going with power saver and 0% brightness gains next to nothing so I'd rather have the added brightness and functionality of balanced over power saver. Also a power sipping SSD does help a bit.

 

Not sure how much this works, but I worry that when you do something like this the heat gets trapped in the copper heatsinks and doesn't travel to the fan where it is supposed to dissipate.

 

I tried this with the exact heat-sinks in the picture that I have bought from ebay before the arrival of my laptop. To be honest i had them for 24 hours and no difference in temperature, even when I removed them laptop temperature dropped more!

 

I ordered the heatsinks on ebay too... I think I should have invested my money into some better thermal paste instead
Or possibly swap an upgraded fan if I could find the right size and fitment that would work with the oem enclosure.

IBM has been doing this for years, it dates back to their earliest T-series laptops. I have a T30 at home here where it wouldn't accept any other wireless network cards unless it was supplied by IBM. The only fix was a bios hack which allowed the hardware id to be modified, that's when I was able to finally swap a dell network card in there.

 

If your CPU is the new i5 ivy bridge, don't even bother to change the paste as they are working cool enough. I did all kind of tests and mine never passed 84c under heavy load with turbo-on.

 

I got the 6110 with the I7, need it for some other productivity purposes.
Should I get 16GB or 8GB is sufficient for adobe photoshop and other applications like that.
I am a part-time photographer so I use premiere pro and photoshop a lot.

 

What is the model of your CPU, is it quad core ? I have no idea if photo-shop uses more than 2 cores. 16GB is better if you are going to make massive posters (A0 size) with lots of Layers and effect otherwise 8GB is more than enough. Also make sure to get a SSD hard drive as well, it saves you a lot time in Premier while you editing the videos.

 

If you can afford the extra $40-$50, I'd just go with the 16gb.

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i used cs5 on my old acer 1551 with 4 gb of ram...that was enought.

Now i used cs5 on my new W110er with 4 gb and that is also enought.

So you will be happy with 8gb of ram. But the price is not high, so you can buy 16gb, if you are scared

 

I definitely notice a more responsive system with 8+ gb as opposed to 4gb. When I used a mechanical HDD, not so much, as that was clearly the bottleneck, but since I've switched to SSD, it's noticeable

EDIT: For some reason, Adobe Reader is using the 650m. Whenever I have it open, battery life tanks, and the 650m is visible in HWMonitor. For the time being, I've set the default GPU to integrated in nVidia settings and added a manual exception for every game to use the 650m. Hopefully this fixes the issue.

 

Interesting... No problem I already picked up a set of 8GB vengeance ram, so will do some testing when the laptop arrives tomorrow.

I'm going to spend the money to buy an SSD for the laptop instead. Mushkin makes some good stuff. I've been using them on my desktop and it's pretty damn solid. The Mushkin Chronos Delxue offers exceptional performance.

BF3 load times compared to HDD is incredible.

 

Tried gaming on my W110ER for the first time ever. Played a round of ME3 (about 30 mins) and max temps on CPU/GPU did not exceed 78 degrees. As far as I can tell, turbo was disabled while I was playing, which is just fine with me. I'm not going to bother with ThrottleStop until I start experiencing legitimate CPU-limited slowdowns, which I don't expect to be for quite some time.

As for performance, this little thing is pretty awesome. With AA enabled, I was getting 50-60 fps, with AA off I got a consistent 60 all the way through. My eyes must not be very good, because on this 11.6" screen I can barely tell the difference between AA and no AA, so I'd much prefer a constant 60 fps to a few less jagged lines.

Running Prime95 by itself (turbo enabled), the CPU hit 84-85 degrees. I haven't tried running Prime + Furmark together, and I'm not sure if I'll bother.

 

Hey guys, which should I be searching for to get the copper heatsinks?

 

so my clevo finally arrived today, but its completely useless as I cant seem to get the wireless card working.

anyone else encounter this? I chose to install windows myself, and im trying to install the drivers on disk but the wireless card just isn't working.

 

Copper heatsinks don't make any difference, you could buy a cooler pad instead.

 

mine has a Intel 6230 and it works perfect + bluetooth. What is your Wifi card ?

 

make sure you're installing the right drivers; there are several types of cards bundled with the w110

 

Does it say "this device cannot start" in Device Manager, or is it some other error? I cannot get my wireless card to work either, and it's a known good one out of my previous laptop, so I'm using a USB adapter for now. I wonder if a batch of these shipped with bad mPCIe clots or something?

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Does anyone know how to remove the keyboard for cleaning or replacement? I can't find any information about it in the manual.

 

I just did this and temps actually lowered instantly when I applied pressure on the right bottom corner of the GPUs heatsink, where there is no screw. However upside down with the back cover removed the temps were way better anyway.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/8688455-post2620.html

 

I bought them on ebay already so I will give it a try on my i7.
hopefully it will make some what of a difference. If not then I will just leave it on for cosmetic. As long as it doesn't increase the temperatures.

 

Spotted ! I'm trying to get both cpu & gpu temps right, I'm having a hard time and screwed up the cpu pipe to the point I'm not sure I can still get good cooling

Yep that's expected !

 

I don't get it my temps on the i7 3520m are quite hotter, it puzzles me because chips are very similar, do i have a bad heatsink or a defective chip?

 

Propping up your laptop helps quite a bit. The copper sinks won't make much of a difference unless you're actually able to get some air moving across them. I did see a 1-2c drop just from the heatsinks tho. Then again I scraped off the stock sticky crud and used thin thermal tape.

 

In the Clevo control center, switch to "Quiet mode" and your CPU's temperature should drop to ~40c

When I took those screen-shots, room temperature was 22c. Let me know if this works for you.

 

Where can I find this ? Are there other Clevo softwares like that ?
Also, I can't find any w110er bios DL on their website =)

 

I had it installed (just press Fn + Esc). I guess it changes the power-settings options for maximum efficiency.

It should be called HotKey utility or something like, mine is ver 6.0045

 

I thought so.... thanks, unfortunately, Clevo drivers (for download) are messed up. This hotkey thing just is a cab file, nVidia drivers are corrupted, etc. :-/
If by chance you have a drivers disc or something like that (driver sources on hdd maybe ?), would be very useful to us !!

 

Here is the direct link for Hotkey utility http://www2.sagernotebook.com/Sagernotebook/misc/06_Hotkey_6110.exe

The rest of the drivers are available here on Sager website: custom gaming laptops - Welcome to Sager Notebooks

 

Wow, sorry to hear that. I thought you accidently just bended it a little. Can you provide a picture?

Anyway, mysn sent me three Clevo Driver CDs with my notebook on accident. Shall I send you one of them to France? They include all the drivers on the website. Just drop me a pm.