*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

Are you using version 5.00? Did you put a check mark in the Set Multiplier box and set that to Turbo? Post a screen shot if you are not sure.

It is probably not going to "feel" much different until you play a game that can use a faster CPU.

 

Mr. Unclewebb! First I want to thank you for creating such a program. Also, no, I have not done that.

Alright so I check on set multiplier, and then click on that up button until turbo is set, then on the bottom right corner, click on turn on?

Sorry for sounding stupid.

 

Hm, now I'm actually considering calling Mythlogic and updating my order with a 128GB SSD, since the order is still in Summoning stage.

On the other hand it seems like storing most of my stuff on an external HDD will be a lot of unneeded hassle, especially since I will need to constantly back up dozens of Gigs from my SSD to the HDD. Plus, again, I don't really trust external hard drives and am convinced that they are faulty and unreliable.

Still you've almost convinced me to go the SSD+USB3HDD way...

 

@factory_666: As I said, you might want take the 750XT into consideration, depending on the price. It's like having a fast HDD + a 8GB cache SSD. So lots of space and lots of speed, for just a few watts more.

There are no known faults with the second series. Also I totally disagree with the statement that there is no noticable difference in performance.

[EDIT] Also you say you need a reliable storage, therefore I cannot recommend an SSD. Too often you hear about firmware issues that totally killed the partition table, or even worse, made the NAND unaccesible. --> Throw it in the bin. So if data security is more important than speed, get a HDD. I would recommend the same for a desktop: HDD for safe data storage. And if you want to speed up thing, get a cache SSD.

 

I did, but the Mythlogic guy talked me out of it for the reasons I stated above. In any case, doesn't that 8GB SSD part of the 750 Xt only improve booting and program loading times? The way I see it, it won't really improve the way Nuendo, Adobe Premier or BF3 run (except they will start up faster if I regularly use them).

Oh absolutely, I'd rather wait while something loads, than not sleep at night thinking that in the morning all my work will be gone due to SSD firmware issue. Literally - better late than sorry, that's how I see it %). Thanks a lot for bringing this up!

 

SSD firmware issues is just paranoia. You should always have regular backups anyhow regardless of the storage medium. Hard drives can fail just as easily, if not moreso than an SSD. I did have an SSD die on me due to the controller, but it was replaced with a shiny brand new one. I had all my important documents backed up and a fresh image waiting for me to reinstall. With external hard drives so cheap, even network and web aware NAS drives it's inexpensive for that peace of mind.

 

@HTWingNut - agreed about backups, even though I hate backing up my data due to immense laziness when it comes to non-physical "labor".

You guys are really making a pretty strong case about switching my HDD to and SSD.

 

I use Windows home server, a little bit more expensive solution, but my systems are backed up every night, so can recover from any image in the last six months. Data is backed up from server to external drives nightly as well. If I don't want to lose something, it goes on the server. Not as organized as I'd like, but it's there if I ever lose it locally.

 

There should be a workaround as only Gamma settings in DX11 affected by this bug but I don't bother as DX9 visuals are identical with DX11 Its nice to have more performance with the next driver.

 

Not necessarily. I am not saying SSDs are bad in general. I have one in my desktop as well. But on this SSD there is no critical data whatsoever.
I subscribed to the computerbase newsletter and there were tons of news last year concerning serious faults with certain SSD Firmware / AHCI driver problems. The.worst I remember was the controller fault of large numbers of Crucial M3s, which was a very popular model. Of course back ups are always important.
Still my opinion is, when (securily) storing data is more important than speed, get a big HDD. Also for the moneys sake. Plus the W110ER only has one drive bay. So the decision should be done carefully.

@factory_666: The 750XT is not a miracle, but you will notice a serious boost with programs you use frequently.

 

GO FOR IT without a moment of hesitation. You dont have to manually Backup, just create Junctions links and use your external HDD as it is one drive with your SSD. (e.g. create junction links for your Videos, Images) this way you don't have to worry about copying from SSD to External HDD.

EDIT: Here is an easy to use tool to create junction points http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html

 

@factory_666:
lol. That's the perfect confusion, isn't is?

 

I just want him to take advantage of w110er's Sata-III for maximum performance since he already has to pay a-lot for this laptop. so why create a bottle neck with a mechanical HDD

Joke: You don't want to drive a Formula-1 car with wooden tires

 

I don't get it, junctions only are references to the files, not actual copies right ?

 

No need to explain yourself. What I meant was, that there are three different opinions to choose from, so he's probabbly more confused than before.

 

Hahaha, - I'm literally being torn apart. Thanks to everyone for your advice in any case!

@varnado - but what's the point of having an SSD if all the files are located on an external HDD then? Even if it's USB3 the transfer speed will still be inferior to SSD...

For example - I store sound and instrument banks for Reason (a music creation interface) on an external HDD, then when I start browsing through those sound banks within Reason, the USB 3 connection to the external HDD would be bottlenecking the whole process. Am I right? Maybe I'm just too confused now %)

Thing is, I'm not spoiled - for the last 3 years I've been almost exclusively using a Samsung NC10 Netbook - it's been super reliable, super portable and has the best keyboard ever, but it can't run anything more demanding than original Deus Ex and has trouble working on content heavy Power Point projects... So whatever I end up getting with W110ER - it would be an exponential upgrade over what I have right now. %)

 

"An NTFS junction point is a feature of the NTFS file system that provides the ability to create a symbolic link to a directory which then functions as an alias of that directory. " NTFS junction point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


He mentioned he needs to copy stuff from his SSD to the external HDD. By creating a junction points (e.g. folder on SSD -> to HDD ) he does not have to copy as files are already on HDD but SSD can address them locally.

e.g. C:\System (Junction point) is equal to D:\Test\System) (Actual folder)

 

I perfectly understand your confusion, let me clear up a bit more. The only bottle neck in your system would be the mechanical HDD , USB 3.0 controller speed is around 5GB/s in compare with latest Sata-III which is 6GB/s.

Buying an external HDD is not the best solution you have but would help you to break the cost. as onkelosuppo mentioned, you have several options to choose from

 

Im not even going to bother installing all of the drivers for my system, works fine without them, it slows down with nvidias 304 beta driver. And I'm happy with the default microsoft ahci driver, i've always had issues with the intel ones.

 

Yep, just what I said, references.
So completely useless as a backup (which was the original assumption - "you don't have to manually backup, use junctions"), only meant for cosmetic and harder to manage, I still don't see the point !

 

Oh, hi! It's me, the guy from a few pages ago?

I'd asked if 204-pin Kingston HyperX DDR3-1600 SODIMM was compatible with the NP6110? And if it was worth upgrading?

Thanks a billion!

 

Its actually very useful If you want the files to be on External HDD from the beginning rather than SSD in his case. This method removes the process of copying for him.

The main point was a smaller SSD that is cheaper (e.g. 128GB ) combined with an external USB 3.0 HDD for additional space rather than buying a 256GB+ SSD which costs more. This solution only is good when you have a limited budget and still want the SSD's speed and more space at the same time.

 

It is compatible

All rams with these specs are compatible
204-pin SODIMM
DDR3 PC3-12800
CL=11
DDR3-1600
1.5V

 

Hum, all my games are capped at 30 fps, anyone else has this issue? VSYNC is off everywhere.

 

CL=11...That's the CAS latency. Can I go lower? They have CAS 9 variants of Kingston and others...will modules with lower CL#s be compatible?

And also...is it worth it? I mean, is a memory upgrade going to achieve any significant gains to warrant the $60+ I'd spend?

 

Certainly not normal, on a clean install you should be hitting over 60 fps at 768p

Something is limiting the games, possibly not letting the application use its own video settings? I know some drivers let you manually set settings of what applications can use, with color settings 'gamma, brightness'

I have no idea, but it has to be software as the 650m can achieve over 60fps on most current games at the 6110's native res.

unrelated but
my cpu during light use is about 40C but somehow my memory gets extremely hot, even when idle it is very uncomfortable to even have on the lap sometimes.

 

Did you double check the "global" setting for vsync?

 

Yeah, its a driver issue im fairly sure has the HD4000 gets way more than 30 fps in every game.

Im on the 302.71 now with this issue happening, im getting the factory drivers from sager and will install those and see how I go.

 

295 drivers , same issue. could throttle stop have caused this to happen?

Edit n the plus side Bejeweled 3 works at 60fps ... .

 

Get nvidiainspector and check if you have a global frame limit set.

 

How do you see it's 30fps limited ?

My kingston also is the hottest place under the laptop !

No, I think you don't understand how hardlinks work. As I told you, those are NOT copies, just references.

You won't get the ssd speed if the data is located on hdd, whatever junctions you use. The best you can achieve this way is better file listing speed, in case you have really big directories (not even sure of that, win may have to resolve the links which would then slow the process instead).

Again, if you need the files on external hdd in the first place, just put them on the hdd, there's no need for hardlinks and no point in using them, except for specific needs.

The thing you guys wanted to achieve is matrix raid 1, then you don't have to worry about backups.

 

I would suggest stay with CL 11 , you gain much better performance but you can go lower if you wish. Memory brand does not play a major role but to stay on the safe side it is better to go with well established brands. You need at-least 6GB for optimal performance.

EDIT: Sry I made a mistake here, lower CL is actually better but as I have found out there is not a noticeable difference in higher speed (e.g. 1600mhz). Also for optimal performance, you should go for 2 identical ram modules to enable dual channel. (e.g. 2x2GB, 2x4GB), Thanks to HTWingNut for this correction.

 

I know these, you are totally misunderstood! lol I wont go on trolling with you as I already explained everything several times.

 

No you didn't know this, since what you explained was the opposite and was totally wrong:

It removes nothing since he will not get COPIES that way.
The backup needs are NOT fulfilled, speed will be THE SAME as normal hdd use, so there are ZERO benefit in using this.

You won't get the SSD speed on that data that way, so it is NOT a solution at all.

As I said, solution is either matrix raid or hybrid drive, hardlinks bring NOTHING to his case, so please stop misleading people or explain yourself.

I can also see that you explained one'll get "much better performance" with CL11 over a lower CAS as CL9 for example.
I'm VERY curious to hear why that would be !!

 

I think everybody in here knows the speed difference between SSD and a mechanical HDD and your suggesting that I don't know this!

Junction points where only to remove an unnecessary copying which the guys explained he has to do... Now I have no idea how do you come with imaginary interpretation. that is all

 

Didnt find an option for that, there was a line with frame rate preference and i set that to hgighest possible...

 

I had this problem when my Power settings was on Power-Saving mode or "Clevo's Queit mode". try to switch to High-performance and see if it does make any difference.

 

Is anyone else having trouble with options menus?

Both blacklight: retribution and BF3 crash for me when i try to go into video settings. Blacklight was fixed by launching the game with the integrated GPU, switching settings, then rebooting with the 650m. Haven't tried this in BF3 yet but im pretty sure it will fix the issue. Optimus seems to have real trouble with video settings...

Also, I till can't figure out why Skyrim performs so badly. I have my drivers set to prefer the 650m, and all my other games play well at high settings. skyrim just wont get above the high 20's though...

 

No, I'm telling you there will be no speed difference if you use junctions... thus no improvements for the files he was asking us for.

Can't you read ? I explained to you TWICE why it won't remove anything.
I'm off from this..

 

When you open nvidiainspector, click on the button with the two tools on it next to the GPUs name. Here you can set/unset a frame limit. Make sure the profile in the upper dropdown menu is set to Global, if all games are supposed to be limited.
Some games (BF2 for instance) will stutter terribly with a limit.

 

Nop, not here. I can go into BF3 menus just fine..
When having a video problem you should state which driver version you use !

That I can rely on, I don't play skyrim but same problem with GTA, it seems to use the dGPU at full speeds but performs so bad compared to when it worked.
Yes, it actually worked at first, then one day started to behave as if it was ran by the iGPU.. No solution though =)

My question was for thedarkpreacher, if he's using a tool to check his fps rate, it could be that same tool that is causing problems !

 

When did I say Junction points improves speed! stop your imaginary interpretation!

I repeated this 5 times, The guy said he needs to copy stuff everyday from SSD to External HDD and I suggested junction point to prevent this time consuming process. The rest is your own stories!

 

And I repeat you again that this is plain stupid, and has ZERO advantage over putting them on the HDD in the 1st place.

Let me put it simple for you:

Copying stuff from SSD to HDD (backup) has one advantage: SSD speed

Put stuff directly on HDD has one advantage: no backup hassle.

What is the advantage of hardlinks over any of those ? Please, have fun.

 

The least advantage would be when he upgrades he does not have to reinstall anything as folders Path are all local. Other advantage would be using Steam while your desired game is on SSD and others on External HDD.

For example I want to play TF2 today , so I move it to SSD without the need to take the External HDD rather than reinstalling it as folders Path are all local for SSD. As I said this is not elegant , this is just a budget solution to enjoy the speed of SSD while managing more space on an External drive.

I had enough fun with you today, tnx

 

Nothing to do with his use case, you don't answer the question, you answer another issue that suits the need for hardlinks. Even more funny, first you say it prevents the need for copying, and then.... in your only use case, you need to copy the data.

You should make politic, have a nice day.

 

This is useful when you really want SSD speed but your budget is limited to smaller sizes (e.g. 128GB) which is not sufficient for gamers. It also prevents him from unnecessary copying not moving AT ALL! lol

I feel sorry for you who try to manipulate my own comment in your favour, this is not a political debate!

 

Guys, could you please keep cool. This is not leading anywhere as it seems you didn't really understand each other in the first place.

 

The lower CAS latency the better. You don't need at least 6GB for optimal performance, you need two sticks of matched RAM for optimal performance and 6GB would be 1x2GB and 1x4GB. 2x2GB is pretty much more than adequate for most users, but 8GB is so cheap, it can't hurt. Thanks to Prema's BIOS you can manually adjust speed and CAS latency, obviously do with care.

 

Thanks HTWingNut for correction lol I was always thinking the opposite about this lessons learned here

 

Guys, I've read most but not all of this huge thread. Does anyone have a fix for why at bootup the WiFi is off by default and has to manually be enabled? Yes, I already have checked "Connect automatically when this network is in range". I don't know if this is a Windows 7 quirk, or this specific laptop/drivers quirk. Please advise as I can't be the only person here having this issue!