*** Official Clevo W110ER / Sager NP6110 Owner's Lounge ***

You can only do two active monitors at a time. Two externals and the built in wont work. You can do built in with 1 external or two externals and no built in. To get all three you need to get a USB adapter.

 

what usb adapter do i need? i don't know what that is, you mind linking me to one?

 

So apparently my w110er emits a high pitch whine/frequency. Which I assume to be coil whine even though there is no 'coils' in this laptop. And has to be the capacitors/ what ever the grey squares are next to the cpu socket are. PVM or something as i've heard.

It certainly isn't the fan, or my hard drive. Using a mechanical drive with this laptop just seems stupid, you miss out on performance.

I doubt anyone else experiences this, or can even hear the whine, which is simply vibrating parts. It doesn't whine when the cpu is under load, and it doesn't matter whether the battery is plugged in, or the AC is connected. All the noise comes mainly from the CPU Socket.


What a disappointment, no moving parts (other than the fan which is quiet) but it still makes an annoying noise unless you have headphones on. Far more annoying than the loud clacking of old 3 GB hard drives.

Anything that I can do to stop this noise? Or must it be permanent. I had the exact same thing with my old gaming laptop just less noticeable.

 

Well you could keep seti@home or another shared-cpu program to load your cpu..
I also have a whine, and other members who upgraded their BIOS too (I didn't yet)
I can only hear mine when my ear is next to the laptop, so I'm fine with it.

 

Well here is another to consider if SMALL is key.

Belkin - CoolSpot Laptop Cooling Pad - Black - F5L055TTBLK


I bought this at local BB. It works well, is 11” friendly and is re-buildable. If you hate it, you got 15 day local return.

The single fan overpressures the curved center to distribute air to the whole bottom of the W110. We have seen the results of HT’s single fan over the CPU mod. I don’t like how warm the left top deck and front edge gets after extended gaming so hope to improve this a bit. Right now I find the track pad area the warmest area on top.

I modded the Belkin by removing the solid back wing, flipping upside down, adding two rubber feet to allow level use with W110 sitting sideways. I did this to direct the air out the front curved section with sides and back blocked.

The W110 sits nice with only 2 inches out the front and back, perfect fit on the sides, no over hang. Fan is quiet with none of the over speed whine.

My goal is to surf and do light work, on the desk, with temps between 38C and 50C. I was hoping to keep the internal fan off but I see maybe 50 RPM with very low temps. Is this due to newer BIOS? I think the original review said no fan until 55C and up?

After two hours surfing, temp bounce between 38-45C with PCH temps showing 53C. all stock except for Prema’s uV mod.

I since added a second piece of light foam to block the front for tests. This forces all the air through bottom vents. My three fan cooler blast air every where, made for 17”, but does a good job as well and better suited for a lap desk.

My top game temps may be 1 or 2 C lower, with fan, but the placebo effect is worth the $20! I know that the bottom plate runs cooler so hope to stop the slow long term heating when just sitting on desk during gaming.

 

This is because you have the newest BIOS and EC versions. They changed the idle clock on the iGPU to 350Mhz from 650Mhz to improve battery life but now as you noticed one of the power components is emitting noise.

So far no solution has been found beyond running some kind of load in the background when you are plugged in and ignoring it when you need the battery life. Something like Throttlestop for the iGPU would be the ideal solution but there is no such thing currently.

I've asked Prema but haven't heard anything from him about another version of the 1.04 BIOS that has the lower idle voltage but a slightly higher idle clock for the iGPU. That would be the next best solution if no one develops a way to control the idle GPU frequency.

 

I'm using the low voltage bios from prema. I love it, mainly for the battery life. I don't notice any performance drains.

I'm not worried about the noise, I'm glad it isn't something broken, I'd hate to RMA my laptop at this time, because its my only computer next to my phone, which i hate browsing the web on.

 

I just set my laptop on my desk ( weltunit – Orville) Though, not like I'm worried about a laptop getting up to 85C like everyone else is. I just hook my monitor up and a keyboard. I doubt your laptop will kill it self at 85-90C gaming.

 

Hey owners,

I'm looking hard at this laptop, and had a couple of questions I was hoping someone could answer from their experience owning it:

1. How's the heat? Can you touch the left side of the laptop while you're gaming under full load? Can you have the unit on your legs while playing something like diablo 3, and not get uncomfortably hot?

2. How is the webcam? Is the framerate good or is it quite choppy? How is it for skype?

3. How is the built-in microphone? Does your voice come through clearly? If you're skyping, will the other person hear you clearly?

Thanks!

 

Webcam is not the greatest, enough to get you by but if you like HD video quality and the internet BW to match then its not for you. Built in microphone is passable too, no fancy features though. The speakers are surprisingly good, little light on bass but hits most high notes exceptionally well for such small sound drivers.

Heat, the machine is capable of getting extremely hot. You have to finely tune the resources for your needs. e.g. no point using TS 5.00 to turbo to 3.1ghz to watch youtube, your balls will fry. On the other hand, its quite cool under light load and very tolerant of being placed on a soft bed.

 

1. Heat is not too bad. I'm playing Batman:AC (which is much more demanding than D3) on a charter bus at this very moment and my balls/left leg is comfortably warm. No burns detected. Using a $4 crystal cooling pad from Monoprice between your lap and your laptop might be a good idea if you are planning on gaming like that for hours on end though.

2. Webcam is pretty good - picture is very clear and not choppy. At least when you have a good connection. I use Skype on everyday basis and unfortunately 4 times out of 5 it bottlenecks the video quality with poor connection.

3. As posted above - no fancy features, but the mic works well even if I'm sitting 5 feet away from the laptop. Even use it for Teamspeak in games and have no complaints.

 

I've tried it with a splitter, but that only duplicates the images.

What USB adapter are you talking about, and will that allow me to do an "eye-infinity" kind of set up?

 

Its basically a video output chip that can connect to your computer over usb.. The older USB 2.0 ones didn't work well for anything better than 2D stuff but I was just reading a review of a targus USB 3.0 model that integrates well with windows 7 allowing the GPU to render directly to it as well as stream HD videos etc... I doubt it would work as well if at all with Linux though.

Google USB 3.0 graphics adapter

 

USB(2) video adapters and linux...you can find a bit of info here: http://stupidfredtricks.blogspot.com/2012/04/usbdisplaylink-adapter-and-fedor-1516.html

Not entirely w110er related...but if you poke around on my blog you will find some fedora + chaos 1212 info...

And yep 3d is not currently available for displaylink usb2 adapters (under linux)...there is a small amount of hope that some modest 3d support may come to these devices (and linux)...



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well i'm running windows so i guess that's fine. Looks like i'll have to grab one to try!

 

USB adapter uses a basic video controller, and is NOT controlled by the onboard video. So while it can display basic desktop stuff, you won't be able to play 3D games.

If you want an eyefinity type setup you'll have to go with a Matrox Double Head to Go or Triple Head to Go.

 

Oh well, there goes the idea of a 680m class card out of USB!

Hopefully the next versions will contain an eGPU port? It wants me to slap Tiawan in the head to come out with working highspeed universal eGpu port on all laptops

Driving three surround displays must be a bear of a load on a video card(s), no?

My needs are but simple extended displays using PS or such. My W110 was not purchased for this (PS) in mind, but certainly possible.

 

Depends... the new USB 3 based ones may be abled to redirect 3D output (that is essentially what is happening with Nvidia optimus anyway). The USB 2 ones of course definitly cannot.

 

Not even close. 400MB/sec is theoretical maximum for USB 3.0. PCI-e 3.0 is 1GB/sec PER LANE. So an 8x would be 8GB/sec, 16x 16GB/sec... PCI-e 2.0 is half that but still 500MB/sec for 1x exceeds the speed of a USB 3.0 lane. Not to mention latency unless the USB port was connected directly to the GPU lane.

 

dont forget, optimus also has realtime transmission packet compression so the effective transfer speed is much faster than what the pcie interface would suggest

 

yep but as far as i remembre compression is not turned on while the GPU is workin@8x (it works only when the GPU capped@1x to give 2*250MB/s )

but maybe i'm wrong.

 

Hmm, more I look at it, it might be possible, although wouldn't it flood the system BUS and give issues with other peripherals or components that share that same bus?

 

That's for data transfer between cpu and gpu, not for display.
I doubt these can be used on a multi-monitor gaming setup, but that's only a software restriction.
As far as the hardware goes, bandwith nor latency are an issue !
If latency was, well don't use a usb mouse anymore

It will however decrease the cpu efficiency a lot (I'd say around 20-40% load on a mid-range cpu)

edit: check this for a single-monitor gaming test through the usb display adapter, too bad they say nothing about surround gaming, but I really believe it would need complete cooperation on both drivers (nVidia and displaylink)
Targus USB 3.0 Dual Video Adapter Review | Everything USB

 

Hmmm true, you're technically only routing display, no framebuffer data or anything. I think the only potential technical hitch is the potential input lag caused by the info going from GPU->PCH->USB3->Adapter->display. But then, whose gonna be surround gaming on this laptop lol. It might be perfectly adequate for general use.

 

Not sure if everone has seen the W110 Service Manual floating around the web. I lost original link so uploaded it to SkyDrive for any who wants it in PDF.

ServiceManual: http://sdrv.ms/VUsyKS

 

Can anyone report their impressions of the new 306.97 drivers released yesterday?

 

I got the Cooler Master U2 at Amazon for 19 bucks. Best fan placement and actual observed temps were a total FAIL for me.

The holes in the top plate really slowing the air from the slow quiet fans, something you don't see unless reported or actully use one.

It's impossible to line up a fan with the hot PCH heat sink, or anything along the front edge due to fans now supporting the stand. This could be fixed with front leg extensions to gain clearance.

Unless bottom plate removed, the W110ER will be a nightmare for any adjustable fan cooler due to small air slots. If all slots were in the middle then a cooler would have a better effect.

I also, like others, tried the short copper cooler blocks on the thermal pipe plates. Also a total FAIL. Using HW64 and IBT I hit the highest recorded, 96C. Not sure if I disturbed anything but second run was as before heatsinks, 89C.

Not trying to dis your review. I now personally think the W110 is a bear to cool below what a raised back, or stand, and a working heat pipe will do. It's a learning process.

I plan to use the U2 fans for a home made cooler based on my single fan cooler.

Thx

 

did not try yet but every drivers i've installed, since 305.53, failed on BF3... So, well... so far I just keep rolling back on 305.53.

 

The thing I found when positioning the U2 fans is not to place the hub over what you want to cool but rather the edge of the fan. This is because there is a dead spot directly above the hub as the fan blades generate the air movement in a hollow cone with the apex at the hub. By placing the the fan offset the maximum force of the air was directed at openings.

The other change I've made is I've taken keyboard wrist rests and attached them to the front and back edges so that it was more comfortable to use on my lap. This also has the effect of raising the edges and improving air flow as you figured.

 

New 306.97drivers seem pretty good, GPU no longer randomly fires up which is a real boon for battery life.
I've swapped out my AR9380 for an Intel Ultimate N-6300. Impressions, the Intel drivers are waaay better, no random crashing or DPC latency spikes. Power consumption is much lower too, I can get about 30 minutes extra wifi browsing battery life on the new Intel card. I do miss the myriad of options that the were available on the modded Atheros card drivers though.
Network speed sucks though, range seems similar though the intel card seems to have trouble with obstructed performance, can't seem to hang on to MIMO streams and the speed fluctuates quite a fair bit, the atheros card could lock on to 300Mbps easily though this can tank to 150Mbps or 72.2Mbps. However, I noticed the Intel card showed a lot more granularity in the connection speed, it pretty much can deviate its speed in 5.5Mbps increments thought he Atheros card reports in 72.2mbps blocks. Whether this is a driver, polling deviance or simply better power saving on the Intel card I don't know.
Overall I would trade the raw performance of the Atheros card for the excellent stability, driver support and power efficiency of the Intel card.

 

It seems that only AVA Direct offers a better processor.
Is Ava Direct a good option?
Do you think this processor can run in W110ER?

i7-3840QM
Gaming Laptop Clevo W110ER Core™ i7 Ultraportable Gaming Notebook, 11.6" HD Glossy LED LCD, Intel® GMA HD / NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M 2GB Graphics by AVADirect

 

i7-3840QM can run in the machine, it's a 45W CPU, but you'll need to use ThrottleStop to keep the CPU from throttling when using the dedicated card, and don't even think about using it at full speed while gaming because temps will be through the roof. It's hard to control the temps with the i7-3610QM and adding a hotter CPU is just a recipe for disaster. The W110ER can technically use a 45W CPU, but in reality, it's not really advised to use anything more than the basic quad because of temperature and throttling.

 

Weirdest thing happened with mine.
I was screwing around with Throttlestop, and now my i5 2540m sits at 2.9ghz even when throttlestop is off. Is that supposed to happen?

 

Once you've restarted it should be back to normal. I'm getting strange behaviors too with latest versions and sandy bridge's cpu..
Can't remember what uncle webb told me about this on/off button, but in my memories it's not a global on/off like one would expect.

 

Well, I certainly don't mind it, as my temps haven't increased in the slightest, even though every tool I have is showing I am indeed sitting 400mhz higher.

Whatever I did also stopped my cpu from constantly throttling down to its minimum clock rate of 800mhz.

 

Hi all, I tried and didn't find anything. Maybe I am not used to the search function of the new site..

Anyway, I am considering a used one with a i5 2xxx cpu and swap it to a i7 3xxx when I receive it. Possibly a xm version. Of course I will try the unit and test if it could run my games first (Diablo 3, CS GO, BF3..) But my question is if anyone had tried to swap the CPU, and what is the highest I could go (assuming I would need to get another PSU.) Thanks!

 

Well you could look 3 posts up, HTWingNut just answered that very same question.
You don't need another PSU whatever you decide.

 

Yep just realized that soon after I posted. I guess the deal I see is pretty good for now for someone who wants to know which is more important.. power vs mobility

 

Mine has a lower i5 2450 and I can say after using it I'm glad I got this rather than an i7, seeing as how most people are having heat and battery issues with their i7's.

 

You will not need another PSU. As a matter of fact the system is hard wired to only run up to 90W despite the PSU attached. Only advantage of a higher rated PSU is so that you're not peaking the PSU power output for extended periods. But even with the 3610QM most games run less than 75W draw from the wall which is roughly 65-68W actual power drawn out of the PSU to the laptop due to efficiency factor. So 90W is more than adequate.

 

Just got a quote from france for the heatpipe and the back cover, respectively 49 & 39€, excluding shipping fees..
Seems like a rip-off, do you know guys a place to buy those ?

 

Yep, most repair parts are a total rip. Any chance you can just send back to vendor? Plead insanity or? Out of curiosity, the p/n 6-31-W110N-102 heatsink was nowhere to be found in the wilds.

 

Most are reporting pretty much the same temps between SB and IL processors. My SB i5-2435 ran 2C hotter than my i7-3610 when tortured with IBT. 93C vs 91C respectively. If my chipsets were compatible I would do a swap between my laptops and re-run the test. In anycase, I'm fine with the battery and normal gaming heat. The i7 just smacks down on the i5 doing video encoding.

 

Tried that, since I also had battery & touchpad issues, but they didn't care to change the heatpipe, I don't really mind for the back cover it's nothing big..

I guess that's just fair, but I wish I could find that foxconn (if I remember well) heatsink elsewhere !

There was a guy on this forum who did good prices on clevo parts, until some reseller went to clevo and asks them to stop furnishing him, too bad for us

 

Hi, so yeah, my brother just got this Sager NP6110. So far he loves it, but hes asked me to do some work on it so I have a few questions since I don't know anything about this particular laptop as of yet.

Since I'm the family computer scientist he has asked me to overclock the gpu. Has anyone had any experience where the slow ddr3 starts the bottleneck the gpu to the point where its not worth it to overclock it anymore? Also what is the best speeds to clock it at, at stock voltage?

He got the better thermal paste on the cpu and gpu, but it still a laptop so that'll only help so much, what are the average temps people see when gaming with said better thermal paste and a cooling pad?

Thank you in advance.

 

Most can get about 1100MHz out of the vRAM. Make sure to check out the undervolt GPU BIOS mod from Prema that I reviewed here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...818-clevo-w-series-prema-bios-mod-review.html

I can get ~ 950MHz with UNDERVOLTED GPU and about 1050MHz with stock voltage, but temps run much cooler at 950MHz with undervolt than stock 850MHz at normal voltage. I run my system at 900/1100 though and it performs nicely.

 

I can get mine on +135 mhz core offset (or 1085mhz max) with the UV mod, with the stock voltage I can get 1250mhz core , I cannot get past 1100mhz on the vRAM unless theres a BIOS mod that loosens the timings. I find you get the best results by OCing the RAM+GPU, to be honest I think the bottleneck is around 700mhz since the core scaling is like 30-50% beyond that on DDR3.

 

Is that stable with MSI Kombustor? I'll have to give mine a shot again because I realized that my 680m when overclocked is driver sensitive and likely the case with the 650m.

 

I am only curious, I know that the microphone hole is to the right of the webcam on the w110er.. But whats the one to the left of the webcam for? I doubt its a second microphone, there's nothing but a PCB through it.

 

maybe room for a light sensor on a future revision/model ?