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I am not saying in combination with graphics!

I am running two machines side by side, both with 7700k in CPU only XTU stress test.

w650kk1 wins by a great margin.

 

i was actually thinking the same thing when i saw this model for the first time: if it supports LGA1151 then why stop at low power T cpu versions? just slap in a 7600K or 7700K and take it as far as the cooling system can handle

 

Yes but the cooling system has to account for the GPUs being there in the first place.

Much like if you take a Ferrari and drive it in a sensible manner you still wont get the economy of a regular car.

 

I don't think that's a correct comparison!

we are not talking about energy economy!

we are talking about heat dissipation here:

and trust me, Ferrari is very good at that, considering how hot the engine can get while driving in a non-sensible manner

the CPU cooling on p870km1 must be way-way better than anything comparable, exactly because there could be 1080 sli GPUs installed to deal with!

 

the CPU heatsink on the p870km1/dm2/dm3 is a mess, as well as the GPU heatsink are, and that's just it.

this has been proven now, yesterday I have installed 6700k into N350DW, which has only single pipe to cool the CPU, but has the same HS surface as W650kk1 has, a good flat copper area with properly designed spring mechanics.

and guess what? a single pipe coops with 6700k and keeps it cool under stress at 80-85C!

 

promised photos, in the middle of a 10minutes XTU stress test:



idle temp:

 

Have you examined the cooling system and noted how it is balanced to cooling the GPUs way more than the CPU? With the limited space available this is how it has been biased because of the heatsink leaving a relatively small area for the CPU.

If you look at the setup it really should not be surprising at all.

 

pff...

just admit it, p870 CPU heatsink is garbage. I have to RMA every 2nd one, still after that it needs to be lapped. and even after that, there is still a problem with TIM distribution under it.

GPU heatsinks are a waste to btw, sorry to spoil the fun. it's very weird for me that things need t be "re-engineered" to make them work "properly", at least a bit properly...

 

Could the heatsink be better, yeah I think it could be. A conscious decision was made from a design standpoint to hit a certain thickness and bias it towards the GPU.

As for the rest of what you said I choose not to comment

 

I so wish Clevo would do something like w650kk1, but without GPU and with both heatsinks / fans used to cool the CPU. And a good OC motherboard.....

If CPU cooling is so good, why is it rated 65W only?

 

for same reason DM/KM models are rated for 90watt

 

I personally don't see anything related to the quality here in your statement, nor that explains the engineering flaws that were made when designing it.

it could have been the same layout, just better thought through.

 

Engineering flaws in the design? Could you be more specific?

 

could anybody check what is the latest Sytle note EC and BIOS version for this Laptop (W650KK1) because my flexicharge is broken as soon as i unplug PSU and plug it again the Battery is charged to 100%

Mine is 1.05.01 for both EC and Bios

Can sombody send me the service manual please?

 

something is preventing the surface of the heatsink to meet the surface of IHS completely, resulting in a very thick thermal paste layer.

some people figured out to overcome this by adding a brass shim that is glued to the heatsink with LM(CLU) under it. and what a difference it makes!

 

Even better, you can solder it:

 

even better!

 

Or just use Liquid Metal , you don't have to solder anything
I had done this long ago . Never gonna buy traditional paste again
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut vs IC Diamond 7 :

Just to make sure everything is correct , I repasted them 2 times...Still , 20~30C difference is too big
Liquid Metal is $13 while IC diamond 7 is $9 . There is no reason to cheap out on thermal paste

 

It really is. Thermal Grizzly makes a great TIM, but something about this isn't right.

 

What is most amazing to me, but not in a good way, is that it appears they didn't give their flagship product their best effort. I find it extremely disappointing how sloppy and carefree they are with some things... especially mission critical things such as thermal management. There is no excuse at all for the defects. P870 should run as cold as ice, and the fact that it does not is stand-alone evidence somebody, or a group of somebodies, are not doing their job(s) correctly.

 

With a peltier it wouln't run on battery for too long though.... ;P

 

Nor would the heatsink like handling the extra power dissipated either

 

some tests with i7-6700k and standart PSU 150W

CPU was dellided with COLAB ULTRA + ICD 24 & GPU + ICD 24

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...073741858.184539865055899&type=1&l=5b12682acb

 

Nor the condensation for the peltier!!! I once built a completely custom PC chassis with dual TEC loops and 2x 480 radiators running on another two loops. Total around 240W TEC cooling, slightly crazy but completely manageable (with the controls we built in) - just a little bit of condensation when cranked up too high.

Yup, but with the thermals limited by performance on battery power anyway, mains power would be there when you needed it ;-)

 

why not a 7700k?

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jaybee83, for your wish some tests with i7-7700k and standart PSU 150W

CPU was dellided with GRIZZLY CONDUCTONAUT + ICD 24 & GPU + ICD 24

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...073741859.184539865055899&type=1&l=5798bd64cf

 

awesome! thx for that

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this is the mobo of this w650kk1


I think that a 17" w670XX could use a mxm card like a quadro.

 

We already have a 17" desktop CPU model with MXM

 

really? quadro? what?

 

The NP9172 remember

 

Do you have any us links to this laptop? Like any uk/us amazon link or smth wld be much appreciated

 

http://www.eluktronics.com/w650kk1

you could replace that cpu

 

If i dont overclock my i5 7600k wld it be ok? anyone has a tutorial video of how to put in the cpu xd

 

it isn't possible in this model.



Edit
I was talking about overclocking. It is not possible

cpu is socketed so it is upgradable

 

exchange the cpu? sure it is, its socketed

 

Yes I know. It is socketed but I was talking about overclocking
overclocking is not possible. I fixed that post, it was not so clear

 

ah yes, true that!

 

Dammit the links wont ship to my country.. any amazon us links or any links with global shipping? In english? XD why are all the links in de?

 

ask @tanzmeister

 

@tanzmeister
Dammit the links wont ship to my country.. any amazon us links or any links with global shipping? In english? XD why are all the links in de?

 

where are you located?

 

Just got n650du with 7700k. Initially with no delid and junk revoltec paste. No undervolt. If it gets loud, I will uprate cooling.

 

Good news: I got it sitting in BIOS for a while, no power-saving enabled. It got loud after some time, but not terribly.
BTW, forgot to mention, I don't have a better power adapter yet, n650du comes with a 90W model.

 

The temps on that are going to jump a lot under load.

 

Compiling gentoo for about an hour already. It's not quiet, but not loud either, way quieter than in BIOS. Though CPU temp is 94 C....

 

You need to delid that cpu IMO

 

I imagine it's throttling, then. How does your thermal paste look?

 

What the ...Are Clevo people out of their mind ? i7 7700k alone consumes 91W , what about the GPU , is it running without electricity ?
If this is not a typo then I bet they must let the CPU run at 1GHz and GPU run at 100MHz xD . Welcome to potato club

 

indeed we are overclock,overvolt,upgrade outta specs, try it and ignore spec sheets! real world trumps theory