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well ive selected a setup with an i7 and 3 Samsung 970 Evo 1tb ssds

 

What seller did you go with? GPU? mem? I7 11700k or i7 10700k?

 

Avadirect, 3080, 11700k, 32gb single stick

 

Probably the I7 as a middle ground then.

 

order placed, now we wait...

 

I been using Control Center trying to undervolt. So far -70 on the cpu seems ok . What is the limit roughly for these cpus ? Also what about changing power limit and VR limit ? How anyone messed with those settings ?

 

Congrats !!!

 

Test it

My benchmarks with undervolting up to -110mv works only for benchmarks and full load. With low load, the x170km-g crashs in a few minutes. With -50mV i can work without crash, but i dont use. Its to risky for my daily business.

XMG uploaded another 1.07.07 Bios version optimizied for Corsair Vengeance
https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

 

How did the screen work out for you?

 

thank you!

 

There's rock solid stability then there's personal stability. If your system is used for mission critical or work, you want to lock in a higher level of stability. If it's for gaming or leisure use and you don't care if it crashes from time to time you have a little more leeway.

You're at -70 right now so leave it that way and use it for a few days to a week and if your system is solid, decrease it by -10 the next week...rinse/repeat. If it crashes and/or your specific workload causes problems with that undervolt increase it by +10 rinse/repeat.

 

I’m just a gamer lol
Do you know how the VR limits and power limits work in control center ?

 

VR limits and power limits are usually used when you want to overclock and increases what is available for the CPU and I usually push them to max if that is my objective. Then I don't have to worry about however much power the CPU needs when pushing clocks. If you want to check if you're being voltage/current limited load up HWinfo and run some benchmarks and see if it trips the power flag or load up XTU and do the same as it will tell you if you're being power/current throttled. I don't think that is an issue you're encountering.

Only problem is your system is overheating at stock with no undervolt so leaving those alone and focusing on undervolting and/or lowering your overall clocks would help with cooling it down.

I received my X170KM-G yesterday and just ran it through some basic runs yesterday. Today I'm tearing it down, cmos reset, clean install, pop the 11900k in and start seeing what's going on compared to my X170SM-G power and temp wise.

 

I was thinking about Doing a delid with liquid metal between the ihs and cpu. I looked online at some guide and it didnt seem out of my skill set. Do you think the i7 will get a 5c decrease on average like the 10900k ?

 

If done properly, probably. 10700k = ~9900k and with delids I did on my 9900k and 9900ks I experienced a 4-7 degree drop. I also replaced the stock lid with 1x Rockitcool on one and a Bartx on the other.

 

If the CPU is getting hot like low 80s high 70s is the Vrms on the motherboard over heating aswell ?

 

Hi Everyone,

Anyone suggest thermal pads size for a repaste?

Thanks

 

Are yours torn/missing? If you want to tweak it then you are best off measuring and doing your own as there are slight variations model to model.

 

Ok, I started some initial tests.

X170SM-G on the left...X170KM-G on the right:



The 11900k I'm using is an SP93 very quiet cool running chip that having used it on 3 different motherboards I know it can run pure stock anywhere pulling from 163w up to 200w depending on the motherboard and that is when the auto settings are too aggressive. I know the chips behavior. I did the same with my P870TM1-G and a 9900k so I knew exactly what the chip needed after having run it on multiple motherboards to dial in its requirements so when I moved it into my P870TM1-G I had a target.

I knew there were going to be problems as soon as I did a stock install run with the included 11600k and it was hitting 90 in CB23.

As soon as I installed the 11900k into the it X170KM-G (and adjusted the performance settings to give it all it wanted) it immediately wanted to pull 226w which is beyond overkill and was of course thermal throttle city as it was pulling ~40w+ more than it needed at the minimum.

Cmos reset and clean install was first to remove any stock install/settings "what ifs"

Knowing it's range I whittled it down to a conservative -110 UV which translated into a reduction from 226w down to 182w. I know I can probably apply up to a -130 to -150uv based on the quality of the chip and how low it can go but this allowed it to run without any throttling full tilt (I sat there staring at the clocks while it ran) and zero flags tripped:



This is how your X170KM's should be running at a minimum and this is with the hottest of the 11th gen chips.

I haven't even begun to tweak and mod the heatsink and do extensive pairing tests, test an array of shims, 2-3 different compounds or mod the bottom panel to bring it down even further. This is just day 2. I expect to shave another 8-12 degrees off these numbers when all is said and done. That will leave some room for some overclocking but my primary goal is to have it run stock cool as possible to bring the fans down to being silent except when gaming or compiling.

This thing needs Prema stat or at least Dsanke to unlock some of the settings.

 

As long as they are sufficiently cooled the VRMs and a 10700k won't be a problem.

Low 80s and high 70's is not hot for a laptop.

 

Hi Meaker,

Thank you. I am having issues with crashes and it may be the VRAM on the GPU causing issues. Another commenter noted it could be VRAM overheating. I have liquid metal ready and normally use stock pads but thought to replace the pads this time around.

I was thinking the thickness of the pads. There are .5, 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0 thickness options.

 

Was your 11900k delided? You were able to get stable using -110 undervolt ? Those temps Amazing for this laptop sign me up
I tan c23 and at -70 stock was thermal throttling slightly on 2 threads

 

Check the pads first.

 

Alright. Picked up 1.0. I'll measure once open and go from there. Thanks.

 

No delid. Absolutely stable at -110 considering the CPU itself was pre-tested at even lower Vcore/wattage across three motherboards before using. I'll probably take it lower to get it within 10% of its rated wattage/Vcore but for now I'll leave it at -110 and start running tests on the cooling itself to shave off points there which will then actually lower wattage a little more on its own.

If I had your CPU to test, I would pop it in my Asus board, get its rating and at the same time test its V/F curve against what it actually needs to pull and use that as my baseline to then dial in your undervolt. I'd also take a look at your cooling, thermal application, heatsink evenness, test spread pattern, etc... I would also delid it and put a copper or nickel plated copper IHS on it.

XoticPC X170KM-G showed up in ok shape. Only issues I would say were:
Some of the pads were askew on the GPU
The original CPU thermal compound got away from the original tech and was all over the CPU guard and on some of the pipes
x16 memory instead of x8 (while they are selling hundreds of x8 modules on eBay...boo)
x4 1TB installed in x3 slot
I think the keyboard might have a lighting problem like another member had in the SM forum. 3 of the keys stay mildly lit up red even when turned off. I'll have to double check.

 

Im so temped to buy a 1200 motherboard and drop my 10700k from my X170 in on my test bed maybe buy a 10900k do some more testing. Is X170 hard to take apart ? I did a board flip on my old MSI gt73vre TITAN it worked after that for 3 years no issue. Im not sure if this is a diferent deal

 

If you've done a board flip on a laptop you will have low to no problems dealing with the insides of the X170KM-G which is meant to be user serviceable. Haven taken apart my fair share of BGA laptops, Clevo notebooks are a pleasure to work with daily.

You could dial it in with your laptop but a desktop boards have much more robust BIOSes for tweaking. I run both so it was easier that way then have a known set of stable voltages to work with when installed in a laptop.

 

I keep a stack of 0.5, 1.0 and 2.0 on hand.

 

New control center 3.62 available

https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-ultra-17-id-xul17e21/

 

I wish most companies would handle driver support like XMG. Besides their presence on reddit, that is the way to handle driver downloads with a proper change log and full BIOS downloads for end user installation that stay current.

 

All other resellers are a day late and dollar short

 

Battlefield 2042 Free weekend on steam

 

Thanks!

 

Some weird happend booted my machine and it was lock at 800mhz on the cpu side. I upgraded CCC to 3.55 from 3.30 there was a error but i didnt think anything of it being lazy i guess. I did a clean install of CCC now doing it the right way . Do you think that was the issue ? I heard someone else having a issue like this but not sure if its the same thing

 

Could be an odd power setting,

 

The other thing I noticed is ccc would not open

 

You could try going back a version.

 

Will the X170 KM-G be able to use a non K CPU like a 10900 I9 ? or the 10900kF ?

 

Of course, just won't be able to overclock

 

10900kf is a k sku just missing the integrated GPU.

And yep, it can use them.

 

And the km isn’t even wired for integrated graphics

 

Do you guys think the 10900 being only 65 will run cooler then the 125 10700k ?

 

It should

 

But I would go with the 10700k

 

I already have the 10700k and it’s one hot tomalley

 

It will run cooler but at lower clocks. Upside is you get two extra cores and 4 extra threads. It is a "set it and forget it" CPU. It has its pros and cons.

For the here and now, I would suggest repasting your CPU with Phobya nanogrease to see if that helps with your temps. It works better for pairing pressure/issues due to its thicker nature and you have the assurance of knowing the paste job done since you did it yourself.

https://www.amazon.com/Phobya-31103...00EUREJZG/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

 

The 65W number is a bit mythical but it will slow down after the turbo window more and run a bit cooler.

 

You can castrate your K chips and run it equal as non K and most likely run it colder due a better binned chips.

 

You would need to tweak the voltage of both chips to realise that difference but normally yes the K series has a better bin.

 

Reduce PL1 with XTU to 65watt and have fun