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Considering how 2080 to 2080S brought 83 more cuda cores, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything spectacular.

 

Maybe 10%. Same as going from 780m to 880m Can't be lower increase than 10%. Because its within what they prefer to offer.

 

Atleast they’re not trying to say it was a next gen gpu atleast with the super cards.

 

The 880m was a regression in some cases.

 

With the dynamic boost and extra cuda cores, the super cards will likely clock slightly worse and pull a tad more power. So that's fun for DTRs

 

This heatsink looks super badass. Just the air cooling by itself should be significantly better than the stock heatsink based on the looks. I'd love to hook up a water chiller to my machine so see how far I can push it.

The X170SM-G has 2x 280 watt power supplies. There is a lot of headroom left for extreme overclocking where power is concerned. The only bottleneck is the cooling.

Having a setup where I plug my laptop into an external cooler to enhance cooling when at home sounds awesome. It sounds kind of like the Asus GX800 with its water cooling setup.

 

Hopefully higher TDPs will be available.

 

You mean same tricks as from 2080 to 2080 Super mobile? Dell offered 200w vBios for both chips. 2080 = 150w —- 2080 Super = 200w….. 3080 mobile = 165w (but with Dynamic boost 2.0) —— 3080 Super = 200W included Dynamic boost 3.0 with 45w in the bottom? Everything is possible.

Edit.
Maybe we should call it the Dynamic Boost lottery for laptops? Or every second gen get higher TDP to show a power gain? Don’t buy the first gen of the chips because it’s TDP crippled. Yep, many ways to see this.

 

any advise for the audio on this laptop , the atlas add on is not working at all , any pointers????

 

peace equalizer, audacity, many other good audio programs available which are better than that mw store crap

 

Yep, this sort of product segmentation has been going on since the beginning.

 

And what you think about this....

Maybe we should call it the Dynamic Boost lottery for laptops? Or every second gen get higher TDP to show a power gain?

Is it ok cripple first gen of same arch (see 2080 vs 2080 super mobile, then back to destroy the 3080) with awful TDP, for then increasing it for second and last gen on same arch? Isn't this a sign of the ultimate greed? @Mr. Fox @seanwee

Why not just offer same max TDP for each gen graphics cards? Of course,,,, This may have changed with the Ampere graphics and 165w is what nvidia and the OEM will accept for their customers hanging on gaming-laptops forwards

 

I personally think Nvidia are being stupid and lazy with it but i'm not surprised. If I manage to get a card I will need to have a play at some point.

 

Lets see if someone figures out how to flash the vbios of the 3080 super from the alienware to the one of a reg 3080 of alienware

 

SPI programmer is the safest way to go. If that firmware change bricks it or ports (HDMI and DisplayPort) no longer work with the firmware you flash, which is often the case with laptops, you simply put back the old firmware using the SPI programmer. Take a stock chip dump before you begin and you're good to go.

 

Well I now have a 3070 on the way to play with then, I'll see what I can do.

 

I’ve been curious how cross flashing can disable ports like I see people talk about in other forums? I kinda figured it was a hardware thing, but it’s all tied to the bios somehow? I’d generally stay away from it all together, because I like having my ports.

 

The whole power monitoring system is a mix of the hardware measurements and then software limits using those readings. Technically you could try and alter both but the Nvidia vBIOS signing requirements make a software approach more tricky. Has anyone got some good photos of the 3070 or 3080 mobile PCBs?

 

Different computers have different ports. Apparently something in the firmware enumerates them so they can function. I do not know the exactly technical cause but it has happened to me more than once. That includes desktop GPUs. I used to use the Strix XOC vBIOS on an EVGA 1080 Ti and only one DisplayPort worked with that vBIOS.

 

What happened now? Don't tell me they are releasing a 3080 super mobile with the same 3070 core but with 200w

 

Nail on head

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Not so sure it will be 200W. Maybe a die change to GA103S and 16GB GDDR6 vram https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidi...-shaders-and-256-bit-bus-w-16gb-gddr6-memory/

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-30-super-laptop-gpus-to-debut-early-next-year

Remember most gaming laptops isn't designed for 200w graphics. Even with their Dynamic boost 2.0 feature who is meant to cripple the Cpu power once Gpu hit max TDP.

Edit. And sub +-20mm chassis thickness for the high end models will be more and more likely (more common than you think) forwards.

 

Shameful designs from an industry overrun with incompetent designers with bad intentions.

 

Just because the designers have different goals to you does not make them incompetent.

 

I find it difficult to view it as anything else whenever they intentionally castrate and stunt the performance of the products they sell. But you are correct, it might not be incompetence it might be nothing more than wickedness and bad intentions.

 

More likely budgetary usually.

 

Lol, you do better.


I get it's frustrating. But if it were so easy you'd see more competition.

It's like saying chinese engineers are horrible because most of their products are horrible. I challenge any european or american designer/engineer to develop a product to their budgets and constraints.

 

They could start by making a laptop that interests me enough that I would be willing to spend money on it. As it stands now, they offer absolutely nothing that I want or have an interest in. "They" means everyone (all OEMs). It has nothing to do with nation of origin or brand. It has everything to do with their focus. If you're an ordinary consumer that wants thin and light trash, there are lots of choices. There is no shortage on that kind of crap. If you're an enthusiast, nothing is offered that can be taken seriously.

Micro$lop obviously isn't from China, but they've produced nothing but trash since Windows 8 was introduced. It seems Windows 11 will be a continuation of that tradition with a little extra ugly added for good measure.

 

Yeah they should make very particular laptops to interest us.

There are dozens of us.
Dozens!



It'll only happen when more and more people get fed up with current laptop setups.

 

Meh... I moved on in 2017 and never looked back. Now I really don't care what they do. I'm a desktop jockey now and I can't imagine renewing my interest in laptops ever again. They carry way too many compromises that are unacceptable. If otherwise smart people figured out they're paying extra for broken and crippled crap for no legitimate reason, the gaming notebook market would dry up and blow away.

 

There are a few extra passives with the VRMs by the looks of things, I was thinking of beefing up the card if I can get he power flowing.

 

Ty

 

X170SM-G (PCS UK) to a machine Prema (BIOS) would be able to give an availability here anyone?
PCS does not reply in the case, I would establish the contact with the maker so, because would interest Prema BIOS.

 

From what I have been told its to do with Clevo support which is why we can't have Prema BIOS, as clevo will not honor the warranty if a system from PCS is sent to them with such a bios or any other modded bios.

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Thank you!
I have nearly 1 years of guarantee if the guarantee expires yet, then would interest then Prema BIOS.

 

Is the IPS 144Hz FHD panel usually available on these any good?
Supposedly 90% sRGB according to the shop I'm looking at.

 

Out of curiosity, did HIDevolution or Ztec encounter any problem with the delidded cpu and liquid metal when it comes to contact die-IHS? Or am I the only moron with this problem?

 

Only shops with their own QA would run the modified bios and take responsibility for any maintenance.

 

z-height changes when STIM is removed, you want to remove any adhesive leftover to maximize the contact between the surfaces.

 

Both of them are cleaner than my plates where I eat to be honest.

 

Quick question: does this laptop need Clevo Control Center to get the maximum performance out of it? That is, do I need the control center to set the performance profile to performance mode to get the best performance, or will it act like a regular desktop and just give me it's best performance by default without needing bloatware?

 

It's not required.

 

Well, After attempting and thinking I failed at the shunt mod on the 2070 Super, I ran 3D Mark and got some unexpected results.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/26265908

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/22863582

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1220210

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/26266027

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/22864255

I was legitimately trying to find a good deal on the 3080 or 2080 Super but after these scores I don't think it's worth it.

 

is it possible in your opinion that either too much liquid metal or maybe " contaminated " ( because of the cloth-like q tip used to spread it) lm could be the reason why I got so many problems? I don't see anyone here having clearance issues afterall

EDIT : I did another LM application, using the copper IHS, tried using the smallest amount as possible , looks like it was not a clearance issue at all, it was how much LM I used that mattered.
Finally got some very decent temps and can even support overclock now

 

I never personally had a problem with the default control center it's built into the Clevo Control Center software. It seems people have some moderate performance degradation since the software is using Windows application software. Personally haven't seen a huge issue and even a little more stability when it comes to using the store app over independent third party apps.

 

Having taken a break from this forum and time to reflect on buying a X170SM-G and then reading back through the tons of pages of posts since I was last here there are some clear observations....

1. These laptops are not as upgradeable people think (Example with the Nvidia 3000 (60,70 and 80) series cards....... you should not have to modify the case/ head sink to upgrade 1 or 2 generations of graphics cards....
2. The age old bios issue...... The bios Clevo uses sucks and in order to get a "better bios" you are forced to pick vendors you may not want to work with or that it would be un-resonable to work with since they are international vendors
3. Lack of 4k internal monitor options
4. While 4 m.2 slots are nice, m.2 drives in 4TB and 8TB are very limited and expensive and with a laptop this big, there should be room for 2 normal 2.5 inch SSD's cause having to pack external hard drives with a laptop this big is a pain in the ....

It would be nice if Clevo would just make the chasis and motherboards and then individuals could buy pieces and just build there laptops from the ground up like towers...... get rid of the middle man.

Oh, and as a separate note, This site still has not SSL Cert so..........anyway.

 

Use my guide. It will set your machine free from unnecessary CCC bloatware and enable you to keep the bare minimum of what you need.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-cpu-oc-component-completely-x170sm-g.834715/

 

Windows 11 Pro Debloated version is here (And this time, it is pre-activated!). Enjoy!
Thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...y-auto-updates-defender-pre-activated.836857/

 

Not much you can do when mount points change for the heatsink @M17XR42012

 

I don't have anything to measure numbers or brightness, but it's a very nice display in my opinion.