*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Hey, that's an LGA laptop so we can swap those CPU's around, that's the beauty of it

I should know as I have laptops that I am perfectly happy with except for their measly CPU - nothing can be done about that except to replace them - BGA filth...

 

Assuming you have socket compatibility of course

I don't think the long run we had on this socket and compatible chips will continue like before.

 

Changing my order to upgrade to the 240hz display and Delidded 10900k. Why? Because the little devil on my shoulder told me to.

 

Should’ve been you’re first choice to begin with.

 

1200 to 1700 will stop that!

 

A look inside the X170SM

Video

 

Lol, that little devil on the shoulder is always whispering things

 

Promo material from clevo-computer
https://imgur.com/a/rVGT1tB

 

That subwoofer though I’m looking forward to this lol

Apparently a 200% increase in sound quality, I’ll see about that!

 

Is this the new final revision ?
Will it finally be released next month in July?

 

A 200% increase in speaker enclosure volume, doesn't translate to 200% better audio, but it will help make audio sound better.

 

Yeah that makes sense I misunderstood that. The enclosure being bigger can only mean better sound, your right it won’t be 200% better but it should have deeper bass, more spaced out mids and highs and hopefully it’s less prone to distortion, if this thing can go head to head with the gt83vr I’m keeping this. I’ll put my order in soon through pcspecialist

 

Looks nice, I see 10 pipes, what are they made of? Painted copper?

Also, only 2 fans? Or did I miss something in the video?

 

I stopped trying to resist it all those years ago that the little angel on the other shoulder has packed up shop and left.

Oh wow. Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Literally answers most questions about the machine. Man if I wasn’t already sold this would’ve pushed me over to the edge.

 

If gaming is your thing the 10600K is actually pretty compelling with some tweaks .

 

I’ve definitely heard that a few times now. It’s apparently no slouch so it definitely is an option. But again my should angel has left so it’s not an option for me. Plus 10 cores just sounds like too much fun to mess around with and see what it can do.

 

a 10900k with hyperthreading disabled will completely obliterate the 10600k. 10C/10T > 6C/12T. And it is actually coolable, 30% less heat than HT enabled.

 

I only see one sub, guess it doesn't have two... 200% increase from P775 series not P870 so we will see how good the sound is

I see a removable battery? Finally lol

 

One thing that makes me happy is having a headphone mic combination jack. The GE75 required me to have a splitter to separate them to work right.

 

Disassembly Video:



Early Benchmark:

 

Oh boy, does this test stress both GPU+CPU or just GPU?

 

Man when the Area 51m was announced and they bragged about how easy it was to take apart this was what I was expecting. So many thoughtful things that make this look easy as heck to maintain. Removable battery without taking the bottom panel off, preincluded m.2 heat sinks, and just straight forward disassembly. There was actually thought put into making this.

 

86c isnt bad for CPU its better then area 51m r2 with goin over 90 and sometimes even 100c
71c is very nice for GPU!
is this with the new revised cooling system?

 

Vrm design looks alright, nothing special:



The p870 series really was over engineered in comparison

 

My previous P870DM3/DM and P570WM had similar layout. The Alienware M17xR3/R4/17 R1 had similar layout as well. It was the M17xR2/M18x/18 that had a more difficult teardown process. Idk why AW decided to make it harder with Area-51m

RIP P870 series. Still have my highest 3DMark score with 1080 SLI over anything else lol

 

It's not bad, and FM is a power virus/load that is not really representative of games. But it did prove our concern about CPU temps being affected as the vapor chamber gets saturated.
I looked at the old and new pictures of the cooler and they are the same, in terms of # heatpipes, vapor chamber size, fans and layout.

 

Better to be over engineered and future proof, than anemic and just enough to pass the QC.

 

It's possible the system we are seeing now is the first revision and maybe they haven't even tested 2nd revision yet

 

Yeah I have a feeling this is the first revision, heatsink is exactly identical to the leaks...

 

Exactly bro, you’d never expect something like a p870dmg to run a 9900k! That board design was something else. Crazy!

 

The fact that it can go through 4 generations of CPUs, with modding, is mind boggling. 6700K>7700K>8700K>9900K

 

This is for perspective, early bench leaks. Not apples to apples comparison due to R2 running overclocked.

51M R2
10900K /RTX 2080 SUPER/2x32GB DDR4 2933MHz
https://twitter.com/_rogame/status/1259148403226873857
>Time Spy CPU score : 13104
>Graphics score : 11547

X170
10900K /RTX 2080 SUPER/ 128GB? DDR4 ???Mhz

Spoiler

>Time Spy CPU score : 12911
>Graphics score : 10519

Historical perspective for scaling
P870TMx
9900K 5.1Ghz / RTX 2080 / 32GB DDR4 ???Mhz
>Time Spy CPU score : 13073
>Graphics score : 12127
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/10894529

 

I must’ve had the M17x r2. Mine had that dumb heat shield thing. It wasn’t too bad though. Literally day 1 I had to open it up because it had a crossfire setup and one end of the cable wasn’t plugged it. It was tapped to the socket but not plugged in. Ran pretty well after that. Had it for atleast 4 years I believe before I sold it. Kinda miss that thing.

 

Check my signature. Old Clevo P870 from 2015 with 6700K>7700K>8700K>9900K. And all gen chips with ok scores

 

X170SM-G revision 2 has been tested. I can’t seem find out what they changed, but the cpu temps are slightly lower while maintaining a higher boost.

while stressing both 10700k+2080s, the 2080s only hit 69c, which is lower than the older version which hit 74c. This should mean increase in headroom for gpu OCing, I haven’t tried ocing the gpu yet thou.

CPU is hitting 120-125w while stressing cpu+gpu which now matches or slight beats, thou I suspect it has more to do with cpu lottery rather than actually beating 51m.

so basically, cpu is matching 51m, gpu is beating 51m at the moment.

again, this is still a test unit, final unit may have changes. If you would like me to test anything, let me know, I should still have time to test it before need to send it back.

2070s final units will be shipped on the 3rd, while the 2080s will ship 1-2days after. This is the time schedule in China. Expect retailers worldwide to follow right after.

p.s hopefully no more delays

 

Hello, thank you for the test
What temp is the CPU reaching while stress test CPU + GPU?

 

Unlikely to make much of a difference in games. Plus going full pelt 10 cores is still going to consume more power.

 

Factory oem thermal paste, 98c for cpu (4.4-4.5ghz all core) and 69 for gpu. I haven’t tweaked it, to further lower the temps, I need to lower the voltage a bit, and also delid it. So expect a slightly high boost while lowering the temps a bit. I am not sure how much thou. I can’t delid this cpu to test it as it was supplied by the factory.

I am running TS now to see what are the numbers for this new revision. My expectations are higher than what it was. Might even match the P870KM posted above.

Clevo could still improved the cpu cooling a lot more but I guess they were to close to the final shipping dates to actually make big changes.

 

Thank you for sharing this, interesting stuff. So the thermalsolution is the same, but the fan profiles might have been tweaked to be more aggressive?
Can you test temps with Cinebench R15 and R20, at stock and 5Ghz, if possible with fn+1 max fans? As well as record the CPU temps for just Firestrike/TimeSpy physics tests.

 

98c is not very cool^^
It's will be my first Clevo DTR, how do you think thermal grizzly Kryonaut will cool the CPU? I don't know a lot about thermal past efficiency difference.

And is someone know if obsidianpc is a good seller?

 

Obsidian is great for its software tools such as fan control. No premamod bios though + you can buy their software separately.

 

That doesnt look good. AW seem to have higher boost clock and Clevo has too low TDP set in the vBIOS and its pwr throttling like a madman.

 

That's assuming the same testing conditions and settings, which I don't have and are likely very different between the two. So take those numbers with a grain of salt.

 

Hello

I have so many questions

Who tested it and how do you know about it?
Do you know the base and boost clock of the rtx 2080s? What is the tdp set by Clevo ?
Did Clevo increase the boost clock and/or tdp of the rtx 2080s compared to the previous one in order to match AW?
What was the previous and what is the new ?
Is there a chance that previous model was sent out to some retailers or all retailers will ship the new model ?

What program was used to stress test the CPU ? What fan fan profile was used ?
If auto auto fan was used then 98C for aida64 fpu test is not that bad.
Regarding throttling it is no surprise.
Even 9900KS needs 130W for 4.6ghz cinebench r20. CPU pl1 and pl2 was probably left at default 125w in the bios and it throttled during the test because it was not enough (and not to mention it got hot)

However if the CPU reached 98C while only doing the CPU test in fire strike or time spy then that is pretty bad...it should not go above 80C while doing CPU test in FS or TS and it should not drop below 4.6 GHz.

P775TM1-G can hold stable 4.6 GHz with 9900KS and will not go above 82C cpu temp during TS and FS and P775 has worse cooling than the x170.
So if you got throttling and 98C CPU temp during TS and FS then something is defective. Either bad thermal paste, too low fan rpm or the cooling is just simply has a design flaw .

However if you got throttling and 98C with aida64 fpu test then that is normal since no laptop can cool down an Aida fpu test with heatpipes and water cooling is needed there.

 

What is premamod ? I see this often but don't really what is it ^^'

 

@Prema is a epic BIOS modder that has done a lot of work in Clevo laptops, sadly you can only get his work if you buy your laptop form a couple re-sellers that have a contract with him.

In Portugal that leaves you with Clevo-Center and that is a store with a pretty bad reputation due to shady business and awful warranty support..

If you don't plan to go for some world record benching, the stock BIOS unlocked by Obsidian-PC(it is offered by default in all their machines) is enough for you to tweak your laptop.

 

Thanks, I don't look for big bench score, I only look for a good laptop for gaming with a good cooling, desktop CPU and mxm GPU because I don't want anymore a laptop that I can't change components^^

 

It’s normal for cpu to thermal throttle under stock settings afaik. I stress it using aida64 and Furmark cpu+gpu, and it hit 98c. It’s basically thermal throttling instead of hitting the power limit, so power limit is not the issue here. Fan was set to max, but my room temps were a bit high, at 30c.

I did not go into depth with the gpu yet, will do more testing tomorrow. The TDP is set to 200w but I suspect the boost can be way higher easily, so manual tweaking should squeeze a lot of performance out of the gpu.

back to the cpu, I am quite certain the 10700k can be tamed with a 4.6-4.7 all core performance. I haven’t tried to lower the voltage or repaste it. On the side note, I got a 10700k in my hands tonight which I can delid, so I will test with a delidded 10700k tomorrow. We should see a lot of interesting results.

And no, it does not thermal throttle in TS or FS, only during FPU stressing.

 

Does the XMP work on the current bios? 3200 appears to run at CL22-22-22, making me think it's borked atm, since it's running JEDEC timings.
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Spoiler

 

I know it’s impossible to tell how bright lights are in video, but the keyboard lights looks plenty bright. Hoping Clevo isn’t one of these companies that photoshops bright keyboard lighting in pictures and in real life it’s impossible to see in a normal office room setting.