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    *** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Rahego, Jan 10, 2020.

  1. alaskajoel

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    Has Prema officially commented on whether this machine will even get a PremaMod?
     
    alaskajoel, Jul 10, 2020
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    I´ve been also following this machine. Not sure yet how to configure it.
    I´m guessing Advanced Optimus won´t be a thing on this machine?
     
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  3. Larry@LPC-Digital

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    Yes Prema has said he will be making one for this model! :)
     
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    Hi guys,

    I've had my eye on the X170 for a while and want to order it soon.

    What do you think is the best CPU in relation to the heat of the new Comet-Lakes? I would almost only use it for gaming, office and backup-software (Acronis). Will the cooling-system master my favorite so far, an i5 10600K? I'm afraid of the 182W in PL2 and I want to have a reserve for summer to avoid throttling... An i7 or i9 seems to be uncoolable...

    Thank you in advance!

    Best regards from Germany!
     
    Mister-Knister, Jul 10, 2020
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    10600K is a good choice for gaming. You can most likely cap PL2 if needed with ThrottleStop or XTU. Same if you go for i7 or i9.
     
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    Very unlikely, P7/P8 models did not have power going to the iGPU. So I wouldn't expect integrated graphics to be functional for the X170 either.
     
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    Thank goodness.
     
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    That's a real bummer. Advanced optimus seems to fix everything the original optimus technology got wrong. That would've given this laptop amazing battery life without crippling performance.

    Ah well. Performance comes first. Give us performance at all costs!
     
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    I´m kind of in the same boat. Really undecided on the processor. Thermals and Performance for my needs are my concerns. I´m considering different processors from 10400 to 10900, base, K, KF. A bit all over the place here with this. It will be my main and probably on computer, and I´ll be taking it with me a lot, and use it as a DTR.
    Thats why something like MUX or Adv. Optimus would be very useful. I need to find some point of balance getting as much as I can from battery on the go (no gaming there. Just web, text, spreadsheet, video), some gaming at home (MMO mostly and maybe some Battlefield, might have the occasional graphic intensive game), and the price to cpu power that is reasonable. So I even am considering the 65watt variants.

    Just trying to get my head around what would be optimal for me and processors I´m just not sure what to expect out whats available. My laptops have always had laptop processors and weren´t the absolute most powerful.
    My last laptop, which died recently was an Asus Strix with an 8750H and a GTX1070. It gave me a lot of problems with random restarts and black screens. It was only about 2 years old.
     
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    Think of it as a mobile desktop with a built in UPS :D

    You can tune both Windows and CPU frequency/power limits/c-states to get lowest possible power draw from the CPU. With the GPU, you either need to undervolt it or force a low power p-state.
    Think brother @ssj92 had done some battery optimizations, perhaps he can comment on this.
     
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  11. Meaker@Sager

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    10600k is a great middle of the road choice as a general option.
     
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  12. jc_denton

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    It's the same 10900K silicon, but with 4 disabled cores, so you might be able to push some of these to interesting clocks.
     
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    It would be interesting to see if it is the same silicon.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 11, 2020
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  14. jc_denton

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    Buildzoid talked about this in his twitch stream.
     
    jc_denton, Jul 11, 2020
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    Well the 10900k and 10700k use the same silicon but the 10700k is clocking worse on average than the 10900k despite two fewer cores. The average 10900k "SP" (a VID calibration evaluation done on Asus boards, with lower VIDs being better (if looking at leakage, two chips of the exact same VID will often favor the more leaky, hotter chip usually) although leaky chips run hotter)=higher SP) is 63, while the average 10700k SP is 51. And a godlike 10900k is around SP 110, and a godlike 10700k is around SP 90.
     
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    How does the average SP value look for 10600k so far? GN had 63 and did 5.1Ghz 1.38v (vcoreset) but ran one crispy chip.
     
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    Missed that, what's the summary?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 11, 2020
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  18. jc_denton

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    jc_denton, Jul 11, 2020
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    10600k is a pure 6 core CPU. 10700k is a 10 core with 2 disabled cores.
     
    DRevan, Jul 12, 2020
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    What do you guys think of the 10600 vs 10600k, and the others 10700 vs 10700k? 10900?
    Wattage is lower. Is it worth it? I want to gauge what I can expect out of each one. So I make the right decision. At least in this clevo model I could upgrade the processor later on if necessary (hopefully the GPU too), something I really like. Not too processor savy so still looking for info on this.
    Thanks
     
    goesto, Jul 12, 2020
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    Ok. What's SP?
     
    goesto, Jul 12, 2020
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    Ok thanks. Oh well.
     
    goesto, Jul 12, 2020
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    Thank you. I have to look into this. Update my knowledge.
     
    goesto, Jul 12, 2020
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    According to BuildZoid the 10600K is 10900k silicon, with disabled cores, see the link cited earlier for source at timestamp.

    SP value, refers to chip quality. Most off the shelf chips should be around 63 SP, as @Falkentyne mentioned.
    As for K and non-K SKUs, that refers to whether the chip is unlocked for overclocking. Wattage is controlled by PL1 and PL2, as well as frequency & voltage.
     
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  25. Papusan

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    You have already got your answers here...

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...g-owners-lounge.831618/page-126#post-11031629

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...g-owners-lounge.831618/page-126#post-11031788

    With the K moniker (10600k -10700k) you have the possibility to get more performance if needed later.

    Edit.
    upload_2020-7-12_16-40-36.png
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/15785/the-intel-comet-lake-review-skylake-we-go-again/5
     
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    WIndows 10, especially the later builds do a good job at managing battery life.

    When I am on battery I move the power slider to "better battery" and that normally does the trick. Undervolting CPU in Throttlestop will also help. Make sure in BIOS all power savings are enabled such as c-states, it will not hurt performance because with the ac adapter you move the slider to "better performance" and cpu will automatically clock up as needed.

    I don't do anything to GPU, just make sure control panel is set to adaptive power mode.
     
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    The K series can be tuned down if you want but in this case the K has a thinner die and better thermal contact with the IHS so has a physical advantage.

     
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    i9-10900K(F) - native 10 core, active: 10
    i7-10700K(F) - native 10 core, active: 8
    i5-10600KF - native 10 core, active: 6
    i5-10600K - native 6 core, active: 6
    i5-10500 - native 6 core, active: 6
    i5-10400 - native 6 core, active: 6
    i3-10300 - native 6 core, active: 4
    i3-10100 - native 6 core, active: 4
     
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    jc_denton, Jul 12, 2020
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    I tried to find a picture of a delidded one. Maybe it's both? The process is very mature now.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 12, 2020
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  31. jc_denton

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    You work in sales Meaker, delid one for science :p
     
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    I'm a technical consultant actually so it would require me buying on and as a good a chip as it is, it's not exactly better or more useful to me than the 8086k :p
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jul 13, 2020
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    Thanks for explaining. Appreciated.
     
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    Thanks so much for the links.
    Getting up to speed with all this.
     
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    ok. yep. saw those. thanks.
     
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    I was aware of the difference in the "K" version being unlocked. Does the difference in watts between the K and non K versions affect the power/performance somehow? Or is the unlocked´s advantage stricly OC?
    I´ve seen some videos on laptops from a particular person on YT. And he often refers to wattage with respect to CPU and GPUs on laptops. And that it´s a limiting factor no matter what cpu or gpu the manufacturer put in. If the machine can´t handle what the cpu or gpu are asking for, it doesn´t matter how good the cpu/gpu the laptop is porting are. They won´t perform well. He mentions thermals among other things iirc. So I thought there might be situations where you´d be better off with something lower because you´ll be paying for power that the machine can´t handle.
     
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  37. jc_denton

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    As Meaker also pointed out, K SKUs are also shipping with a thinner die, so temperatures would be better when compared to a non-K SKU.
     
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    Will a 10600k bottleneck a 2080super or better to go with the 10700k


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    At 144hz no chance. At 240 hz, maybe in some heavy cpu oriented games.
    You can always go with the 1070k for more future proofing, but none the less you can always upgrade it later, so you can clearly go for the 10600k if the budget is tight.
     
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    The high FPS games really mostly just care about frequency so the 10600k is going to clock higher than the bigger chips in most circumstances.
     
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    It's Now Cheaper To Score A Binned i5-10600K Than Untested Chips off Amazon & Newegg

    Hold up, what?
    Yes, you read that right. At this time, both NewEgg and Amazon are gauging the prices of Intel chips, which sucks for us consumers. But, Silicon Lottery is happily shipping out Intel Core i5-10600K's for $290 after testing their overclocking capabilities. Sure, that's still above MSRP, but you're getting a tested chip that likely runs better than one off Amazon or NewEgg for less money. Seems like a win-win if you ask me.
     
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    If this is the retail BIOS and not just a developer BIOS, then it seems Clevo will give us much more options in the new Insyde BIOS than they did in the old AMI BIOS and we will finally get almost as many options as there are in a desktop motherboard BIOS.

    Thermal configuration, chipset settings, platform settings, overclocking performance menu (processor, voltage, ring, gt), memory settings (memory thermal configuration, memory training algorythms, memory frequency, memory test)

    These are just a few settings which I was able to see from that bad quality video.
     
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    Can any reseller representative confirm this?
    QUOTE] @Larry@LPC-Digital[/QUOTE] QUOTE] @Donald@HIDevolution @Ted@HIDevolution @Zoltan@HIDevolutionl[/QUOTE] QUOTE] @Eurocom Support @EurocomTechspert[/QUOTE]

     
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    That's interesting, how much voltage did your SL 8700k need for 5.3Ghz?
     
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    So where would you go to look into Clevo resellers and really to know their reputation?

    Here are some that I´ve seen while looking into this model:
    But I have no idea about their reputation.
    Clevocenter, Obsidian, Clevocomputer, laptopparts4less, Pcspeacialist, and XMG
     
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    I can only share an opinion on Pcspeacialist UK. Got a clevo p870dm-g from them bought in 2016.

    PRO`s:
    Never had a problem with the unit, no dead pixels on display, decent heat sinks (not the warped ones)
    All good overall.
    Good prices.

    Con`s:
    Limited bios support (only stock, no unlocked)
    Limited customization on laptops (average ram options, no delid option, no custom features)
    No Prema Bios (cannot blame them 100% because I dunno the terms and prices that Prema is having for his Bios)
     
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    So far we have no on hands time with the stock bios, as to how good it is. Thing is, you can have all the options unlocked and still have cancer code that throttles and limits stuff in the firmware, which is why for P7/P8 machines the Prema bios is a MUST for pushing clocks and tuning.
     
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    Clevo up with X170SM-G on their webpage.

    https://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=1343&lang=en

    Key Features
    • 10th generation Intel® Core™ processor
    • High performance Desktop CPU in mobile chassis
    • Intel® XTU over-clocking technology (depends on CPU SKU)
    • UHD(4K) High resolution Panel
    • 17.3” UHD(4K) High resolution panel
    • 17.3” FHD 240Hz / 144Hz Refresh Rate Panel
    • Expandable DDR4 memory up to 128GB (depends on RAM module)
    • NVIDIA® GeForce RTX 2080 Super graphics card + 8GB GDDR6
    • NVIDIA® G-SYNCTM Technology
    • Expand to Max. Triple M.2 PCIe Gen 3x4 SSD or SATA SSD
    • SOUND BLASTER™ Atlas
    • Super X-Fi headphone holography
    • N-Key Rollover LED Per Key Full color keyboard with numeric pad
    • 1 x Thunderbolt™ 3 port
    • Support Intel Wi-Fi 6 (802.11 AX Wi-Fi wireles)
    • Area Fingerprint
    • Support Virtual Reality ready
    • Support Killer DoubleShotTM Pro (Depends on WLAN)
    upload_2020-7-14_16-44-11.png
     
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    In case anyone wants to have a close look at the X170SM-G BIOS 1.07.02:

    https://mega.nz/file/GYx1xTiL#uzsSnBcbnrt49fAfd2sYeRAagPQn_GF6aaL1IW621rk

    And EC 1.07.02:

    https://mega.nz/file/mNpxzRAR#inf8kd8878Eqir6mvYaidpgoNJQPJMxCIAch7aTeYB0

    Both files were grabbed from Clevo e-channel so they are 100% stock and unmodified from Clevo!

    Still no user manual or service manual for this model there yet!

    I'll make sure to check in the upcoming weeks and keep ya guys posted.

    For now if anyone wants to explore the BIOS/EC... Enjoy

    @John@OBSIDIAN-PC
     
    joluke, Jul 14, 2020
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    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Very nice find! @Falkentyne might be interesting to look through.
     
    jc_denton, Jul 14, 2020
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