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I just saw an article with respect to ampere having a 12 pin connector for certain editions.
Rumors and such.

How many of you are expecting to update this laptop with ampere in the future?
Will there be an ampere version before the year is out?

 

Most likely Ampere laptop cards will come next year. Typically the laptop cards lag behind the desktop release by around 6 months to a year.

 

Expect nvidia to milk mobile 20x0S for all it's worth first.

 

Yeah, they will use all 30xx silicon for the desktop cards to keep AMD away from the market Why should they bother with Mobile cards before early next summer? They will have to sell out all Turing for mobile the coming months because none will buy EOL desktop cards.

 

Ok thats what I thought, but didn´t know if it would still be the case. Thanks for reinforcing that idea which I wasn´t sure about.

 

I read that they have planned to stop production so the cards don´t go down in price. So mobile 20x0 for some time as you guys have mentioned.

 

Ok. so thanks for clearing that up people.
It seems like I´ll have to get my laptop sooner than later then.
Doesn´t make sense to wait for any new tech I guess.

 

New tech is always "just around the corner", get whatever suits your needs and makes sense price wise.

 

Normally I would agree with this but we are supposedly getting a new architecture and possibly on 7nm which means less heat but with more power and better rtx. If you currently have a rig I’d try to wait at least until desktop cards are announced to see what the increase in performance is usually that will equate to laptops in a similar manner


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Not so sure about that. Watt = Heat.

Nvidia work out for more wattage for desktops... And expect same 200w target for High end Mobile.


The Curious Case of the 12-pin Power Connector: It's Real and Coming with NVIDIA Ampere GPUs techpowerup.com

Over the past few days, we've heard chatter about a new 12-pin PCIe power connector for graphics cards being introduced, particularly from Chinese language publication FCPowerUp, including a picture of the connector itself. Igor's Lab also did an in-depth technical breakdown of the connector. TechPowerUp has some new information on this from a well placed industry source. The connector is real, and will be introduced with NVIDIA's next-generation "Ampere" graphics cards. The connector appears to be NVIDIA's brain-child, and not that of any other IP- or trading group, such as the PCI-SIG, Molex or Intel. The connector was designed in response to two market realities - that high-end graphics cards inevitably need two power connectors; and it would be neater for consumers to have a single cable than having to wrestle with two; and that lower-end (<225 W) graphics cards can make do with one 8-pin or 6-pin connector.

The new NVIDIA 12-pin connector has six 12 V and six ground pins. Its designers specify higher quality contacts both on the male and female ends, which can handle higher current than the pins on 8-pin/6-pin PCIe power connectors. Depending on the PSU vendor, the 12-pin connector can even split in the middle into two 6-pin, and could be marketed as "6+6 pin." The point of contact between the two 6-pin halves are kept leveled so they align seamlessly.

"As for the power delivery, we have learned that the designers will also specify the cable gauge, and with the right combination of wire gauge and pins, the connector should be capable of delivering 600 Watts of power (so it's not 2*75 W = 150 W), and not a scaling of 6-pin. Igor's Lab published an investigative report yesterday with some numbers on cable gauge that helps explain how the connector could deliver a lot more power than a combination of two common 6-pin PCIe connectors"

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I wonder if we will see the 10 core bastard together with X170.


Intel Core i9-10850K 10 Core Unlocked Desktop CPU Listed Online For Around $450 US, Up To 5.2 GHz Clocks wccftech | Today

Regardless of how much mature the 14nm process is by now, a chip like Core i9-10900K is hard to produce and the shortage might be an issue with yields of the Core i9-10900K SKU. This might've led Intel to offer the Core i9-10850K with a slightly lower bin at a reduced price point.

 

12 pin connector? Two 6 pins?

 

Have any US vendors Received the X-170, yet?

 

Hi,

does it make any sense to buy an i9 10900T for the new X170SM-G instead of a K-model, f.e. i5 10600K, considering of power and watt/heat?

The 10900T has a max-Turbo of 4,6 Ghz and an All-Core-Turbo of 3,7 Ghz (x 10 cores = 37 Ghz) with 35 W PL1 / 123 W PL2.
The 10600K has a max-Turbo of 4,8 Ghz and an All-Core-Turbo of 4,5 Ghz (x 6 cores = 27 Ghz) with 125 W PL1 / 182 W PL2.

Please correct me if I understood something wrong.

Unfortenately I could't find any tests or reviews of the 10900T...

Best Regards from Germany!

 

With desktops you can overclock BCLK to get better performance. We still not know if you get same option in X170.

Intel Core i9-10900 Review - TechPowerUp

 

Just tune the K, it's going to run cooler at the same TDP thanks to the thinner die.

 

When are you guys expecting the new laptops to arrive in America?

 

Soon (tm).

 

Wow, it is so strange that a new laptop becomes available faster in the EU then in the US

 

I’m actually surprised by this as well. Also the fact that more reviewers don’t look at these laptops considering the bang for your buck that you get is pretty damn good compared to say an Alienware with the same specs


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Crazy times at the moment in the world of supply and shipping.

 

We saw X170 at CES Jan last year. Maybe Clevo had to change a lot hence the delay. 1.5 week and we are into Aug 2020. Or 18 months since we saw it first time.

 

And it's a new design on top of it. Delaying something to make final adjustements has become more standard these days. All we can hope is that those changes results in something better. Can't wait for the next announcement/finalized machine.

 

I’m guessing this same machine will also house the newer nvidia cards as well. Which could explain some of the changes?


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lovely intel as usual, wonder if it has anything to do with the x170's ram speeds

 

Could someone shed some light on 8:30 and 11:09?

 

X170 have Z series chipset. It’s up to the notebook manufacturers if they want offer memory overclocking in firmware or not. They aren’t forced by Intel not offering proper memory settings. All boils down to the MB quality and firmware.

 

It's a Z series chipsets. Laptops have lower ram speeds due to the limitation of sodimm slots and trace routing in a cramped environment.

 

With big footprint batteries in thinner and smaller chassis something has to suffer. MB PCB shrinking in size to be able to fit in the same new modern notebook chassis. The trace routing becomes more and more difficult the more they shrink the motherboard pcb.

Some models you can barely see the motherboard pcb because it’s so small and covered by the unified heatsink. The thin high capacity batteries takes up near 1/3-1/2 of aviable space in the chassis.

But all this doesn’t mean that the notebook manufacturers have to kill advanced memory settings in firmware. They’ll do whatever fits or gain themselves.

Intel push out failed 10900K chips into the whole market and not only for the OEMs.

Intel Bringing Core i9-10850K 10 Core CPU To Retail Channel Too, Listed By Several Retailers Along With Celeron G5925 & 5905 Entry-Level CPUs

 

Its not hard to do a decent trace routing in a small pcb, you add more layers, but that gets expensive pretty fast..
4 layer pcb's can now be made at almost the same price of 2 layer pcb's, for sizes up to 10x10cm, but a laptop OEM will have a big order, so they can get even prices, 6 layer pcb's are just a bit more expensive so if they really wanted decent signal integrity they should be using at least 6 layer pcb's, but most desktop motherboards are 4 layers, as are most laptop boards, if 4 layers allows the design to be routed then its 4 layers all the way, even in massive quantities going for 6 layers will make just the bare pcb around 50% more expensive, given the size I would expect that a laptop pcb will be in the 20-40€ price range, making that 50% more expensive is a big budget move..

If you have a 4 layer pcb with **** signal integrity there is even no point in allowing the user to see the memory OC menus if any OC above the JEDEC values will end in an brick due to the CPU being unable to even train the timings and crap EC code that doesn't handle that and revert the ram timings to the JEDEC one supplied in the SPD..

Its all a matter of cost cutting and having the minimal working product out the door and into the next greatest and latest tech..

 

The other issue is those traces have to cross multiple layers for instance having slots on the other side of the board.

Also people expect a system like this to have 4 slots which especially with sodimms does hurt memory speed.

 

10850(H)K lol

 

Will still be faster than the CEO of a company I was helping, was on a pentium G2020, 4GB of ram and a 500GB HDD. Question was "why is the system slow".

 

"Have you tried turning it off and on?"

 

It'll be interesting how well the memory on 2080S clocks, since both 2080 and 2080S have the same stock vRAM speed. But the 2080S uses lower voltage vRAM.

 

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The new power inlet ports look a lot like USB ports. I thought that's they were until I saw another image that labelled all the ports on the back.

 

You guys need a branch in the us. Any chance if thermals or benchmarks etc


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Can you please do a Fire Strike test then post the end result where the chart with gpu/CPU clock and temps are visible ?

 

is it released yet? i thought this was gonna release this month in july

 

Thanks.

Is there working advanced memory settings in bios? What with advanced Cpu settings? What works and what don't works.

Would be nice if you could post results with pict from Aida64 stress FPU test only together with Heaven benchmark. 10900K stock and oc'd. Thanks

Edit. Same with Cinebench R20 (stock and oc'd).

See also... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...g-owners-lounge.831618/page-113#post-11028582

Can you share a light on this? Only tuned fanspeed?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-g-owners-lounge.831618/page-83#post-11024852

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-g-owners-lounge.831618/page-83#post-11024941

Could it be that Clevo will refresh the cooling for Cpu in x170 when Rocket come? In same way as they frequently changed heatsink for P77xxx series with each refresh. Rocket will have same TDP as 10 cores Comet from what I know.

Or do you think they will wait with the refresh of HS until we'll see Ampere?

 

Has HIDEvolution received their initial X170SM-G?

 

Turn it off and walk away They are going to switch to some new machines thankfully.

 

Wonder if the 2080S would fit the P775DM3-G?

 

I don't think the layout has changed from the 2080 so the same things would apply.

 

You think the new 3080 will work in this rig


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Am also curious about that. Would the rumoured energy requirement for the 3070/80 automatically discard the idea of using it in this laptop?
What about coming Intel 10nm processors?

 

Chips can be tuned to any consumption, what matters more is firmware and shape.

 

I highly doubt the highest end Ampere card will have a power draw anywhere near 350 watts. Usually the highest end card for a given generation has a maximum power draw of 250-275 watts. We won't know for sure until Nvidia actually reveals the cards, but I think power draw will be around the same as the past 2 generations.

 

Improved 8nm but in short 10nm node vs. power efficient BIG Navi@7nm will force Nvidia to increase TGP for Ampere. Otherwise they will struggle in exactly same way as Intel. Cap it at 250/275w will hit the performance uplift with Ampere.

 

The general impression is while 8nm can hit clocks like 7nm it takes a LOT more power at the higher clocks.