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250-270W for highest tdp ?
I doubt that.

I had an Inno 3D RTX 2080 desktop card and when I unlocked the TDP I saw spikes up to 240-250W in Unigine Superposition test.
This was with a card with basic stock clocks, a Super variant would have even gone higher expesially if it has factory overclocked clocks.

I wouldn't even dare to guess how much tdp would I seen with a 2080 Ti card.

So even for a non Super 2080 without any OC seeing 250W tdp was quite possible.

 

Is t there always the argument like between AMD that there 7nm is more like 10nm for Intel or is that just a wives tale. For instance there is no universally excepted way to measure these things yet so how do we know we are comparing apples to apples so to speak.

It could be the same for nvidia and big ampere. Also AMD cards are typically power hogs and run very warm.


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Bump on this?
Any reseller ?
Anyone?
Nobody?

 

A cathartic exercise would involve retiring that BGAturd with extreme prejudice.

 

But doesn´t performance take a hit? So then you have to think how much am I getting for what I´m paying?

 

There was a time that desktop power consumption became more reasonable and laptops moved to meet it.

But with Nvidia sticking on the same process and now going to a less efficient one desktop numbers are simply going where reasonable laptops just can't get to.

Does not mean you can't get most of the performance though, power curves go exponential so most of the performance of the chip can be used at a lower power level.

 

LOOOL


Intel Confirms 10nm Alder Lake Desktop CPUs Launching in 2H 2021, 7nm Delayed Till 2023

Intel's 7nm is Broken, Company Announces Delay Until 2022, 2023 tomshardware.com
Intel announced today in its Q2 2020 earnings release that it has now delayed the rollout of its 7nm CPUs by six months relative to its previously-planned release date, undoubtedly resulting in wide-ranging delays to the company's roadmaps. Intel's press release also says that yields for its 7nm process are now twelve months behind the company's internal targets, meaning the company isn't currently on track to produce its 7nm process in an economically viable way. The company now says its 7nm CPUs will not debut on the market until late 2022 or early 2023.

If this is correct... Intel will continue lose against AMD One more year in the shadow

Intel won't be able to compete in power efficiency with 10nm, but IPC and new arch will come up on par or better. The same will it be with Nvidia. They need raise the TGP to be able to compete with the more power efficiency Big Navi on 7nm.

 

Hmm, where have I seen this before...

 

So it'll be another few years with +++++++++++++++ nodes

 

Please check our current reference benchmark spread sheet here:

• XMG ULTRA 17 (2020) Reference Benchmark Sheet (Google Sheets)

This benchmark table is the result of cross-testing 3 identical samples in Germany with one (1) retail unit of Intel Core i9-10900K at stock settings.

The samples already had final 'mass production' status and we have received a few BIOS updates (currently on BIOS 1.07.03), so the results should pretty much reflect the final product.

We haven't done any tuning or modding yet. Since we are pretty busy with other product launches, resources are limited. I myself am based in Taiwan and I don't a unit on hand right now.

In terms of additional logs/charts, I can't share any right now. But we did notice a certain inertia in the cooling system, thanks to the vapor chamber on the GPU and and large number of heatpipes.

At any rate, the the "sustained" temp and clock values in our table should already give you a pretty clean picture of where this is going.

Intel XTU works, including Overvolting. The BIOS itself is pretty limited. Current short list of options:

• Turbo Boost
• Hyperthreading
• SpeedShift
• SGX
• Intel ME
• Performance-Profil
• Webcam
• Microphone / HD Audio
• Wifi / Bluetooth

Some of those options are customized for us and might not be in the standard BIOS.

If you have a sample and you want to play around with our BIOS (with XMG boot logo), you can download it here: X170SM-G_EC_1.07.02_BIOS_1.07.03RTR1_XMG.zip

There is a good chance and it is our intention that this laptop will be able to support future Rocket Lake CPUs with a future BIOS upgrade. However, the Z490 chipset will not support PCIe Gen4. However, since we don’t have access to Rocket Lake samples yet, we cannot give 100% guarantee.

On the side of NVIDIA Ampere, the jury is still out. NVIDIA’s specs for the mobile platform are not 100% final yet. Our ODM cannot clearly say whether MXM cards with Ampere will be able to run in this chassis without any hardware modifications (for example size, heatpipe layout, power source on MXM slot).

The current RTX 2080 SUPER in XMG ULTRA 17 is specified to run at a maximum TGP of 200W. It remains to be seen whether or not NVIDIA Ampere will surpass this limit. We cannot share any confirmed information about Ampere at this point. This is an on-going discussion where we expect to see further developments over the coming months.

I do not have any firm information about Intel Alder Lake yet, except what you can read in the press. For example:

• Intel confirms switch to LGA 1700 socket for Alder Lake CPUs [TechSpot]

The power plugs look a little bit like USB-A, but the dimensions are slightly different and there is no risk of accidental damage if you’re confusing the plugs during use. Both power sockets are on the back side of the system. There are no USB-A ports on the back side, so there is little chance of mixing up the ports once you are used to using this system.

We will start building pre-orders with UHD panel next week and FHD units the week after. The first review unit has been sent out, a few more will follow soon.

By the way, if you want to replace the CPU in your X170SM, here is our quick disassembly guide:

Removing the thermal unit might void your warranty, depending on your system vendor. The following instructions are only shared for educational purpose.

• Remove Li-Ions Battery and Power Supply
• Remove the RGB Light Bar cable
• Remove 3 screws from the RGB Light Bar (left, middle, right)
• Remove 2 fan cables from the mainboard (left, right)
• Remove 15 screws, beginning from #15 down to #1 (marked in green)
  • Not every screw is numbered in the chassis. But every screw is marked in green in our picture
  • Please make sure to use the proper screwdriver blade and apply sufficient pressure and torque
  • Handle with care! Do not wear out the screws!

• The thermal paste will cause the thermal module to be very sticky on the CPU and GPU
• Use a long, soft plastic opening tool to gently hinge the thermal module away from the components
• At the same time, gently pull on the black straps, away from the mainboard
• Clean up all thermal paste on CPU, GPU and heatsinks, take beautiful pictures and upgrade your CPU
• Re-apply fresh thermal paste on clean CPU and GPU before re-assembly.

Additional Safety Remarks:

• When handling the thermal module, make sure to that the thermal pads (VRAM, MOSFETs etc.) do not come in contact with dust.
• Do not misplace or remove any thermal pads.
• Do not drop anything into the CPU Socket. Do not bend any pins in the CPU socket

Any more questions, please let me know!

Cheers,
Tom

 

With memory at 3200MT/s CL22-22-22, they are JEDEC timings, does the XMP or manual memory tuning work? And the FireStrike graphics score seems off at 25.5k under performance mode, was it ran with g-sync or something?

 

Thank you!

98C on CPU with furmark+prime95 is no surprise, no laptop could cool it down expesially if you run small fft test without any proper undervolt and stock paste.

The gpu clock however seems very nice. With 1x 330W adapter the p775TM could not sustain the default ~1700 mhz for rtx 2080 when paired with 9900KS if both CPU and GPU was stressed and the gpu clock dropped to around ~1400 mhz.

If the x170 really keeps 1875 mhz when both CPU and GPU are max stressed then that is pretty good.

Fire strike graphics score of 25598 however seems pretty low. My rtx 2080 with the average clock of 1700 mhz gave around this same score. This new laptop has at least 100 mhz higher clock so just because of only that it should score at least 26000. Also, it has more shaders too.
It should score at least 27000 but 28000 would be the best.
Can you please check why did the 2080 super perform at around 2080 speed in fire strike ?
But to be honest, 443.31 is a pretty old driver and it's not even optimized for laptop 2080 super and windows 2004.
You should redo the test with 451.67 .

Also, could you please ask if xmp profile setting for memory available in the BIOS or I have to manually set the 3200 mhz and timings ?

Thank you!

 

Our listing will be up very soon

 

Were any of these tests done with max fan speed?

 

Just heard from a local California provider, that the new laptops should be out their door by early August. Fingers crossed.

 

Actually they are shiping before August

 

Ok need to double check here as i a getting slightly worried on the M.2 Port area.

I am seeing 3 x M.2 2280 SSD PCIe Gen3x4 Ports, 1 x M.2 2280 SSD SATA port which should mean 4x M.2 ports surely. but in pictures and the videos i am only seeing 3 M.2 ports for storage.

So either i can't count (More likely) or i am going blind (I hope not!)

 

3 nvme slots are on the left side and the sata m2 is on the right side all alone. Poor thing.

 

Thanks, good sir. +reps for the write up.

From your reply below... <The current RTX 2080 SUPER in XMG ULTRA 17 is specified to run at a maximum TGP of 200W>.

I saw the 3DM Fire Strike Graphics Score of 25598 you posted in your Benchmark sheet. Then I found the same benchmark from last years Clevo with 2080 150W version card. Any answers why the 200w Super graphics score is way off?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...ocessor-in-a-Mobile-Form-Factor.444756.0.html

NBC's 3DM graphics scores tested from last years 2080 Max-P

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Second. Can you remember the clock speed and with what temps you managed in Cinebench R20 ?

From what I understand... Your benchmarks is done with different fixed fan profiles in Clevo's software. Any idea if FN+1 (forced max fan speed) will make an difference to push for higher prolonged Turbo boost clock speed?

Again thanks, good sir.

Thanks for the notice.

From what I see... You almost confirm the Z490 chipset motherboard in Clevo X170 will not support PCIe Gen4. I know some of the Z490 desktop MB have it implemented as hide option for coming Rocket lake. I'm pretty sure Rocket lake will be supported in this X170 Clevo model. If we follow Clevo's history from the past we won't see a new MB for 11th gen chips (8t and 9th gen on Eol Clevo LGA machines used same Z370 MB due developement/engineering cost cuts ... Z370 all the way). 12th gen Intel chips is confirmed be on socket 1700. With your provided info we won't see PCIe Gen4 support before the main switch to Alder lake and socket 1700. Again... You are 100% sure PCIe Gen4 isn't supported (hybrid feature who will change with firmware update for 11th gen chips) in X170 motherboard? Rocket lake is already nailed for use in this Clevo X170SM-G.

See post above.

Intel try to please the investors with new frankenstein chips (those who lost in the binning process). This is all they can do for the moment, because they can't compete with AMD, can't fix own problems and still have to rely on old not efficient chips on 14nm+++++.

From bad to worse....


Investment banks and analysts crucify Intel sweclockers.co
Analysts are not gracious with downgrades of recommendations regarding Intel, while the share price is in free fall. Read more


Intel 10th Gen Core i9 KA Series Debuts at Overseas Retailers tomshardware.com | Today

What is this madness?

The Core i9-10900KA, i9-10850KA, i9-10700KA and i9-10600KA are listed at various retailers.

Intel Rocket Lake-S Rumored With Cypress Cove Cores For A 20% IPC Uplift Over Skylake hothardware.com
This has been a rough couple of weeks for Intel. First, it got leapfrogged by NVIDIA as the most valuable chipmaker in the US, then as part of its second quarter earnings report, Intel divulged that a defect in its 7-nanometer manufacturing has resulted in another six-month delay (and we won't see 10nm desktop chips.

That said, the YouTuber reports Rocket Lake-S will feature up to eight Cypress Cove cores. If Intel really wanted to, it could hypothetically make a 10-core model, but it is said that heat and power are already an issue with eight cores.

Whats the point with 20% IPC increase if the new flagship have 25% less cores than todays best 10 cores mainstream chips from Intel? Try please people with new tech as PCIe-4 support that Intel failed hard to deliver for Comet lake? Rocket will perform weaker in multi threaded load even with increased IPC and will in short be a uselss stop gap before Alder lake on 10nm and the new 1700 socket. Maybe Intel think the gamers want the new Xe graphics architecture? Or do they see the need for PCIe-4 to be on level with AMD Ryzen in gaming with Ampere?
Could of course be because they want increase cash flow back from own home brewed PCIe 4.0 SSDs.

Yeah, many reasons to release 8 cores flagship who can't perform as it's predecessor.
Intel is prototyping PCIe 4.0 SSDs, but needs AMD CPUs to test them

Intel 11th Gen Rocket Lake-S 14nm CPU Leaks With 5GHz Turbo Clock And Xe Graphics hothardware.com

 

Hmm...

...all those heat generated...
I wonder what's the design on the direction of expelled hot air?​

 

Resellers worldwide should be placing orders now... ​

 

Is it just me or is the CPU heatsink basically a tripod design with an additional screw located asymmetrically on the side. I am increasingly sceptical regarding the CPU cooling design.

 

Yup, we discussed this ~page 66. Not ideal for mounting pressure distribution.

 

It's more like a 5 screw pattern from where I am looking.

 

Three main screws for CPU which mount directly into the ILM, with a small 4th screw into the internal plastic housing.

 

Then the 4 screws of the GPU which will apply pressure like the screw on the other side. It will all be balanced.

 

Could be interesting to test with pressure film.

 

Looking forward for a internal redesign to accommodate a B550 system for 4000/5000 series Ryzen systems...

 

Are there different 4k panel versions? Some vendors state 4k 60 Hz and others state 144Hz. The Clevo site does not mention the refresh rate of the 4k panel. Also some vendors say g-sync and others say no. Then a yt video says 120Hz:

 

144hz 1080p or 4k 60hz.

Those sites probably say up to 4k and up to 144hz.

 

No, e.g. clevo-computer.com explicitly says 4k 144Hz.

 

Then again they list that with a date in the past so who knows *shrug* ask them as panels do vary by region.

 

The Standard 4k panel is the 60Hz HDR microled, right?

 

Still a huge difference vs. Dell Alienware's TRIPOD fiasco. But still not optimal. I would be sure that the pads on Cpu cold plate have optimal imprint from the components.

 

On xotic pc website it say 4K ultrawide gsync but doesn’t mention anything about hertz of display. I still applaud the gsync with 4K it makes it almost a good option for a laptop and easily over 30fps and up to 60


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Not sure how correct this info is.

https://clevo-computer.com/de/lapto...esktop-prozessor-nvidia-rtx-2080-super?c=1419

 

Maybe it’s the auo b173zan03.3 panel or an updated version which actually is 144hz. The 4k 120hz auo panel has been public for a year. Behind the scenes who knows they probably do have 4K 144hz panels ready by now for consumers, it is only a small jump after all

 

Wonder what the pixel response times would be like, presumably good enough to get actual 144hz?

I know on the 240hz 1080p panel the response times aren't good enough for true 240hz but in all honestly you're probably only really hitting that FPS level in CS:GO.

 

They even skimped out on the last heatpipe, lol.

 

Are there any stats on this specific panel out in the wild that your referring to maybe one of the resellers can give us some info on this if anyone can link them I’m on my phone


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delete

 

Checked with one other German vendor stating 144Hz and he said it´s a mistake and the panel is 60Hz AUO panel (B173ZAN01.0).
So the 4k panel is pretty much standard without a higher refresh rate or microled technology / HDR.

 

Hmm, guessing it’s the B173ZAN03.0 (4K 60Hz) as this laptop only takes non bracket slim lcds? If so then the B173ZAN03.3 can be installed into the laptop as an unofficial mod

 

So where are the other 2 ram sticks? Under the keyboard? Do you have to remove the entire system board to get to them or just remove the keyboard?

SagerNotebook.com should have them listed on the website in a couple of days and I am going to order the i7 model with the 2080 and 1080p screen. I'm debating whether I want them to provide the RAM/SSD or if I want to go 3rd party with HyperX RAM and 970 pro SSD as I think they would be faster/more cost efficient.

 

Yes the other 2 memory slots are under the keyboard. Not hard at all to pull off the keyboard.

 

Awesome, thank you! Very excited to order this as I haven't had a new gaming laptop in many years. Still using my NP9870 with dual GTX980M and am happy to be getting an upgrade after all these years. I am currently playing around with a Surface Laptop 3 with the GTX 1660 Ti and it's okay but definitely not ideal for gaming.

 

Nice jump certainly

 

Is there a better display that’s 4K you can put in here


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Define better? Higher refresh rate, better brightness, hdr capable micro led?

 

thanks for the response