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Regarding 3080,
as we like to say same with cars, more ccm the better, while small and turbo sucks.
They are kind of using the same methods on their new garbage tech. Less basic watt with temporary boost watt.

Next year nvidia building a scalper 3080Ti GTR PRO 32gb mobile now with 10w base and 190watt boost.

 

Msi has thrown in the towel. Back to fully BGA as before. Further shrinking of the chassis thickness, lower the weight and will now take the straight road direct towards Apple-Book design.

Not that MSI was an option but you could at least avoid the dreaded BGA processors you find in all other gamingbooks.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-72#post-11074731

Msi have found out that their customers want it thin, want it slim and that performance doesn't matter. All that matters forward is cute and with lots of blinking lights.

 

They could have atleast tried then on their last gt.

They almost made it good but then ****ed up using solderd gpus.

 

Well we hope Clevo doesn't do this...however they are known as "The Notebook Computer"..

 

I am very happy with the 4k display on the Clevo X170SM-G. Because it is such a high pixel density, you need to scale the size of icons/ fonts / title bars / panels etc... Microsoft Windows automatically recommends scaling of 250% to make everything look great.
Some people argue now, if you use scaling, why bother in the first place with a 4K display and not go for 1080p or 1440p? The reason for me to go for 4K display despite scaling is, that the scaling does not affect images / videos etc! So this means if you work with images, videos etc, you will benefit from a 4K display. For work I for example have to generate dotplots with hundred of thousands of data points. On 1080p or 1440p the resolution is not high enough so the individual data points get merged when displayed on screen. But the finer resolution of the 4K display can resolve the individual datapoints better.

In addition, if you use an external 4K monitor on your laptop, scaling sometimes has issues if you have a 1080p or 1440p on another screen or the Laptop screen, for example if you drag a Window across screens. Now I have 4K on the laptop and 4K on external monitors, and everything looks awesome. And when comparing to my MAcbook Pro Retina display the 4K Clevo display looks similar awesome.

 

If you want more screen real estate or use windows side by side I would recommend to go with 1440p instead of 4k. You could also go with 4k and 150% size for text and get a very similar effect for displaying windows and websites but then you would also have to scale for many more recent games if you want more fps especially with all mobile cards now being gimped to ridiculous levels. So with the new and very nice 1440p screens I would go with one of those. It even works better with an external screen due to more similar pixel densities.

As for 18" and bigger we obviously had these in the past but I am told that customers want tiny and light and not big and powerful so now 6 lbs 17" laptops with small bezels are considered HUGE and very heavy - makes me sick but that's the way it is.

 

Not sure why everybody is piling it on those 3000 cards in the Linus clip when the 4k comparison at 9:32 shows that in fact the 3000 chips in this comparison are CPU limited in the 1080p test.
That probably is also the reason why we see a revival of 1440p screens - not because it is a sensible resolution but because it is a resolution where fps will not be held back by the CPU in most cases while still allowing decent fps in the majority of games.

It also looks like Dynamic Boost 2.0 is a very interesting feature that will be beneficial even with a 300+ Watt TDP and especially once we get those rumored 3080TI cards - that is if they will not be gimped down too much.

I have to reluctantly admit that they do get quite a bit of perfomance out of laptops with so little volume, weight and power consumption. If NVIDIA does not gimp the MXM cards and if Dynamic Boost 2.0 does its job then for most applications the X170KM-G should be able to close the gap to the 3000 desktop cards significantly and have room for that 3080TI.

OK, that was my the glass is very much half full post

 

Don't send it back. It seems like they don't know what the hell they are talking about and I wouldn't risk my machine in the hands of noobs like that. Being a customer, you can demand them for remote installation (it really shouldn't be that difficult).

 

If we can get a big chip GPU on MXM, i'd take it with an 8 core AMD 5xxx series APU soldered as that things probably going to be relevant for the life of the machine

 

That is the way I look at it as well. A 17-inch screen is at least 10 inches too small for 4K. I object to using more the 100% scaling on any size display, at any resolution, and 1440p is as high a resolution that I can tolerate at 100% scaling on a 17-inch display. If I have to increase scaling above 100%, the main attraction (more usable screen real estate to increase productivity) for the higher resolution is totally lost and it becomes pointless. Scaling above 100% also screws up the proportions of other things so that makes it even more aggravating to me.

 

IDK, I am at 3840 x 2160 @ 17.3 inches on the X170 and I have played with the scaling between 100% and 175% and I don't like XXX x 1440. 1440 is just an odd resolution and with external 27 inch or 34 or 49 inch screens that use XXX x 2160 it just looks better.

I would never choose a 1440 screen ever.

 

That's why there are choices. I love 1440p. It's always my first pick for a 17-inch screen and 4K is something I try to avoid, especially if the panel is under 27 inches. On a 15-inch or smaller screen, I personally find 1080p to be the only acceptable resolution. Anything higher is miserable to use, and anything less is too crappy to even consider as a viable option.

It's unfortunate that we don't have as many choices in some other areas and end up getting stuck with settling for what somebody else wants. On a 27 inch panel or larger, 4K @ 100% scaling is comfortable enough, as long as the fresh rate is 120Hz or higher. But, my preference is still 2560*1440.

 

1440p is not really odd, it has been around for a very long time to the point it had a common 16:10 counterpart.

 

2560 x 1600 has come back in the LG gram 17 - of all laptops it had to be one that I will never get as it is the antithesis of a powerful modular laptop with good connectivity.

 

I recently got a P870TM for my son and it has the 1440p 120Hz panel and luckily it is a really good one. Love that resolution and it is about time that they bring it back on a bigger scale - makes much more sense than 1080p with a gazillion Hz refresh or 4k screens where the GPU is often struggling to go beyond 50Hz on the latest games.

 

That's the sort of machine that fully embraced what it is though great for parents.

 

See. Msi have improved their new 2021 flagship more than you think. Remove the LGA socket wasn't enough. They totally destroyed their brand new flagship and the distance between Clevo X170 and MSI's best option for gamingbooks have now increased further... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-76#post-11074925

 

MSI has been peddling broken filth for a long time. They faked it a little bit for a while with a couple of models that had good specs, but they were castrated and struggled to keep up with competing products with the same specs. Maybe they did that as a publicity stunt, but it was a real waste. I rate their trashbooks in the same category as Razer and ASUS... totally garbage... and, gaudy-looking on top of everything else.

 

And to think brother @Donald@zTecpc recommended the last gen model to me once upon a time.

 

I prefer myself do my own due dilligence I'm like a dog who easily sniffs garbage far away.

 

Most times you have to do your own research. But I always value other opinions since they can sometimes see what I can’t. Aaaaand Msi from my experience has been garbage in the speaker department for a long time. So I wouldn’t touch one again because of that alone. Again ironically Eluktronics MAX series is one of the best when it comes to the thin and lights. Probably only buying from them if I go back to a thin machine. But that’s gonna be rough with how loud the x170 is. Lol.

Btw MSI motherboards in my desktops have been very reliable for me in the past. Not sure if that’s just good luck or what?

 

Amy news regarding the x170km ? Is the March release date sustainable and what TDP will the 3080 have?
The cooling was built for a 200W 2080 Super so they could go up to 200W TDP with the 3080. Question is, will they do it and humiliate the competition or they feel sorry for them and draw the line at 150W

 

I’m really hoping they go with 200w. I don’t know if the 2070 was a 200w part or not but if it was then hopefully the 3070 will be 200w and will be close to the 3080 based on what I’ve seen with the thin and lights. I’m really hoping that is the case. I’ve already spent too much on this machine and there are still things I want for it.

 

Embrace my a** - that will be a very ugly scene when I catch my son with one of those

 

I don't think my parents would have appreciated a 5.5KG monster with two power bricks for browsing their emails and websites.

 

LOL. My wife can't stand my x170 because of these INSANE fans. I currently have it at my kitchen table where I do all my work, and she homeschools our kids. To say the least, sometimes it gets VERY loud. Hopefully when I get this Prema bios that will let me run it much cooler when I do my video encoding, and of course gaming.

 

im in the same boat but dont expect that much from the bios though it might help a little (do to undervolting and other functions) this machines does get very hot fast especially if you have a 10850k or 10900k in it.

 

My p870 now runs games at mid fan level with my tweaks and good chips.

 

I max out my Ranger's fans to keep it at its maximum stable overclock at all times when playing games. My parents have commented on how loud it is.

Fortunately I don't usually bother anyone since I'm in my room.

 

Tweaking the pads, delids, undervolts, thermal paste and the silicon lottery really dictate how you will get on.

 

I agree.

The zTecpc zT-X170SM-G with the Custom Prema BIOS and Thermals Designed by @Mr. Fox, @Papusan and @jc_denton, together with our Delidded, Cherry-picked, Binned Intel® 10th Generation Comet Lake i9-10900K CPUs that run at lower voltage than Silicon Lottery CPUs, we are getting great performance with very manageable temps.

 

I also plan on delidding at some point (hopefully soon). How much heat should that take off?

 

Whoops. I just saw another thread. About 7C.

 

Yes and then you add pads, then liquid metal, then undervolt and it's all so much cooler.

 

It can vary widely. Sometimes less than that, sometimes more. To some extent (sometimes a great extent) the benefit is diminished by poorly fitting parts and inferior thermal interface material. Delidding does a lot less if you cannot effectively move the heat from the IHS over to the heat sink, or the heat sink gets saturated and cannot shed the heat fast enough through the radiators and fans.

 

Yes I will be following your guide when I do it!

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I couldn't enjoy the 300Hz screen for very long so hereby I am asking for feedback from people who have used both 240Hz and 300Hz side by side. Which one do you prefer and why? Refresh rate is irrelevant as 240Hz is high enough. I am talking about all the other factors that make a display better overall.

 

Hey, for E-mails and website browsing you might want to try and get rid of the SLI configuration - your parents may be perfectly happy with only one 330W power brick that weighs as much as the LG Gram 17

 

If it wasn't for me my dad would still be using his dinosaur dell prebuilt tower from the 90's. That thing was so old that I couldn't believe he was still using it. What got me was how he started buying external storage drives for it because he didn't have any space left. So I built him a low end gaming PC ((I caught him playing racing games with a steering wheel)) and loaded that sucker up with a 256gb ssd and 2tb of hard drive storage. To this day he hasn't filled it up. Aaaaaand he's never upgraded it. He was actually mad at me because I spent so much money on him. So an x170 would probably work for him for about a decade. Hmm. . .

 

Yeah my dad said the same thing when I bought the P377SM-A back in the day and guess what!? Now he says he doesn't like the smaller ones and loves his P377SM-A do death , which I sold him for 1k USD a while back

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Once you get a taste of something better, you can never go back.

Our job as enthusiasts is to show people the superior option so they stop buying stupid crap. We must convert everyone over to stop laptops from being downgraded further!

 

But but but they’re soooooo heeeaaavy!

Then you’re out of shape. Lift some weights.

Generally how that conversation goes. Lol. It just scares me how nice a laptop can be with the x170 and how much quality you give up with these thin and light machines. I’m all for portable, but not at the cost of it making the product a shadow of its predecessors potential.

 

Exactly what I told my mates, I was 18 carrying the original P870DM-G in my computer bag (one strap) it made my shoulders and back built af

Although I don’t recommend putting a 6kg (including the charger) laptop in a one strap bag, it was a workout to carry.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like 115W is the new official Max-P wattage for the mobile 3080, just like 150W was official for the 2080 and 2080S. Anything above 115W is a bonus, which is why we're not seeing any high wattage variants, with TongFang and MSI GE76 (135W + 15W Boost) and Alienware m17 R4 (150W + 15W Boost) being the highest so far, and most OEMs aside from Clevo, e.g. MSI (GT75/76) and Asus (G703), have killed off their DTR models. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

I used to do the same with my old Alienware 17x. That thing was definitely bigger than this thing and it was not a light machine. Probably heavier since that had a metal bottom too. But, that thing lasted a long time so I had no complaints about it.

The one thing I wish that could be fixed about the x170 is the fact you can't charge it with one charger. It will sustain it and you won't lose charge, but it won't charge even with the machine off. I use this thing alot around the house for just general purpose stuff and being able to just lug one charge from room to room would be nice. I'm gonna try zip ties so the cables don't flop around every where and one of those y adapter cables for the end so I only have one plug to put into the wall.

I think there is hope still. Like you mention there are plenty of manufactures pushing past that 115w mark already.

 

Eh, my mum programmed the BBC micro and Dad was a software engineer. They know what they like.

 

For many of us, big, badass computers are like vehicles and guns.

Not many people are content with a hybrid when they are used to muscle, and it's hard to settle for a CO2 BB pistol when you're used to a .44 Magnum. Our parents are not exempt from this and being elderly doesn't mean you're suddenly stupid.

My dad will soon turn 90. He is still in good health. He is a widower, lives alone and drives a 4x4 Chevy Suburban with a big block, lift kit and glasspack mufflers. He enjoys deer hunting and shooting his .30-06 and AR-15 at the gun range in the off season.

Because he can.

 

???

 

I wonder if someone like that exists. Maybe nobody can answer.

 

We may have to wait a little longer for your question to be answered. Either nobody else in this thread has used the 240 Hz and 300 Hz screens side by side, or there are some individuals that have, but are not caught up to this point in the thread yet.

I don't own this laptop yet, but plan to by the end of the year.