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Nope. See my post above It looks like the Nvidia's specs 150W+ for 3080 works as intended, LOOL


150+15W

 

Pass me the grass. Gonna need it.

 

I use cigars. A much better choice. This is as expected. And GT76 who handeled 200w graphics is history. MSI killed that options for thin and slim.


Read what I have predicted the last years in several replies and you all openly could have seen what the outcome would be.

 

Probably leaving space for a 200W 3080M Super/Ti down the line. No point in getting this over a thin-and-light like the GE76 or M17 R4 that have the same base TGP. What a joke.

 

So as it stands right now with the RTX 2x and RTX 3x cards, what is the best card for the money right now between all of them? and what about that Quattro RTX6000 with 24gb of ram?

No other RTX mobile card has 24gb of ram.

 

Well we will still have to see how it performs. But I’ve mentioned before the 3070 at 140w seems to be right in line with the old 2080 200w. So I think it’ll be safe for us 2080 Super owners to wait for something more.

So anyone find model numbers for those qhd 165hz screens yet? Atleast that I know is a worth while upgrade.

 

Quattro RTX6000 with 24gb of ram is BGA.... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-whopping-margin.833406/page-28#post-11067104

 

I’m curious, if you plugged an RTX 30 Series MXM card into an older X170SM or P7/P8 model that does not support Dynamic Boost, would it run at the base TGP, or the +15W boost TGP?

Also it looks like the 125W+15W 3070M is gonna be the bang-for-buck champ, at least based on HID Evolution pricing, as it’s $300 more than the 115W+15W 3060M, while the 150W+15W 3080M is $500 more than the 3070M while not being significantly faster.

 

Of everything that has been announced so far the 165W TGP 16GB RAM 3080 in the X170 looks like the best option.

Best card for the money would probably be the 3070 with 140W TGP with a vastly increased number of shading units over the 3060 although I can see 8GB RAM as an issue at higher resolutions:
https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-h...z-i5-10600k-i7-10700k-i9-10900k-rtx-3070.html

 

Can the x170sm be charged without the use of plugs? I wanna use solar panel to make it energy efficient. I current have my gpu undervolted to 737mv (107w) and cpu is running min at 15w. Solar panel have a charge of 30000mah. Can use thunderbolt or usb c.

@Mr. Fox @Papusan

 

I don’t think so. The X170 can’t even be changed even with a single adapter from what I have read.

 

Not unless you can hook up both the power bricks to said charging system. I’ve tried all the usb-c ports with my 65w usb-c charger and with one power brick. All no dice. With one power brick it sustained the battery at its current charge level.

 

I honestly think ill just get the 2080S version from scan uk for now. And then sell that one to and the 3080S/Ti version if they come out with one.
As the 3080 at 165w i dont think will be all that much faster. As the cuda core count is cut down on them.

 

That sounds like a rather strange idea unless you get that X170 at a very good price.

Some kind of review / report should be out soon and then you can make an informed decision about what to get, first units may be available as early as March. At the least you may very well be able to get the X170 with the 3070 and save money compared to now buying the old model with the 2080S or you will get the 3080 for the same price and surely with better performance. And yes I know what has been said here regarding the performance of the 3080 but Clevo would be making fools of themselves if there was no performance increase over the 2080S with their 3080. As for the 3070 I expect to more or less keep up at 1080p compared to the 2080S and above that you will probably see better performance with the 3070.

And last but not least it looks like that new QHD display with 165Hz will be a display option with some Clevo resellers which is something that I find quite interesting so you may consider, that, too.

 

Talk about an epic fail - you could only use 100W while using your X170 and still not be able to charge it with an almost 300W power supply.

 

Who?!? I want naaaames! That’s an upgrade I definitely want for my machine.

It’s disappointing for sure. I bought a second pair of chargers and have them in my backpack at all times. So when I do take this thing on the road I just gotta grab the laptop.

 

I got it for a good price here in the uk just around £500 cheaper. And with a few extras thrown in. And extended warranty for free for good measure too.

 

That sounds like a sweet deal - you will not give up much and you can enjoy it now

 

Donald himself mentioned in this thread that he would like to offer a QHD option to customers which sounds pretty good to me and I have also heard from some other reseller they would be looking into it. Apparently it is not that easy to source at the moment so hopüefully that will change soon.

 

Well I got bad news on that front then . . . They’re having a hard time sourcing them and last I talked to him he said we were on our own. So dice there for the time being.

 

That's too bad - looks like a very nice panel with a great balance between light output, resolution, color space coverage and refresh rate.

 

Thaaaaats why I’m hoping to hunt one down.

 

wtf 24gb on bga, talk about throwing money away.

castration, clevo moving in the direction of ASUS and MSI, controlling laptop with power bricks. its gotta be a damn good laptop for me to choose having 2 bricks at all time.

 

It is interesting to see the boldness of the entitlement mentality of some people. The screen snip below are comments on Brother @B0B's review of the zTecpc X170.

It has been how many years now? Like 5 or so. The new rules were presented in the forums and with every product refresh the communities are reminded of the "rules of engagement" if they want a Clevo with a functional BIOS. Everyone knows who the PremaMod Partner Shops are in the US and abroad, including Australia, South America and European countries. Yet they are dense (or dumb) enough to buy elsewhere and expect to reap the same benefits of those that followed the rules. I have no sympathy for them. They have the freedom to make decisions, but need to accept the implications of those decisions.

 

I lost all my hope for rtx 3000 laptop when it was announced litography 8nm by samsung (equal in transistor density to lastest 14nm++++ by intel and only slighty better than TSMCs 10nm), samsung is not as good as TSMC, not even close, and also their 8nm process is actually a 10nm+ with a marketed 8nm name. It means heat, and less power eficiency. (for comparison, TSMC 7nm would use 177W instead of 200W by Samsung for same performance/architecture). Ampere is power hungry due to very high CUDA cores count.

About 3080ti Mobile? it is not impossible, as there is 250W (200W in Asus Turdbook) Quadro RTX 6000 for laptops using TU102 (same as 2080ti), but it is very unlikely since 3080M is already castrated in all aspects (CUDA, memory type, Bus Interface, etc), it is not even the same chip.

We may see 200W 3080 in laptops because 2080/2080S was also marketed as up to 150W+ and we got 200W in both cases by Clevo, ASUS, Alienware and MSI.

3000S refresh will most likely use TSMCs 7nm process but Alder Lake with 16 cores with hybrid tecnology (also different socket, again) is expected Q4 this year, so x170 is already almost EOL.

 

Pretty sure it was you that said that all a shop needs to do to become a Prema Partner is literally work with Prema and workout what deal Prema feels is fair for his hard work. And if any company does not want to do that then they obviously don’t give two shakes of a stick to their customers. They only want your money. The mindset that Prema should just GIVE out the bios is asinine. And the whole take donations argument? Well he doesn’t want to do that. And it’s his property to do as he see’s fit. Don’t like it? Make your own custom bios.

 

Prema acts so cute and innocent all the time while being a complete genius inside. I wish people would understand that.

 

Calm cool and collected are three traits lacking these days hell even one of them would be nice to see more often.

 

I mean, I kinda explained the problem with this model once already.

When I ordered mine, I could NOT find a shop in the EU that offered the BIOS. At all. The only place to get it from was the USA. And i'm sure the response will be "Then you should've done that if you wanted the BIOS."

Yes, because paying out the £2500 I paid for the machine + whatever shipping is + whatever the cost to install the BIOS is + the 20% import fee (which goes on the TOTAL price, including the delivery) is a completely reasonable thing to suggest to folks who want the product.

Let's assume the total cost of the machine had been £2650 (the spec I bought here in the UK + shipping + BIOS installation fee). It'd get here, be detained by customs, and then I would've been asked to pay a £530 import fee PLUS the £10 customs handling charge, for a total of £540 and a GRAND total of £3190. Oh, and if anything went wrong with the machine and I had to send it back? Good chance I'd have to pay that import fee AGAIN on the way back.

And that's why I can understand why some folks get a bit fed up with this "only certain shops can install it" mindset. And no, I don't want it for free. I'm 100% happy to pay for it. Just... y'know... not an extra £500+.

 

That seems really high for CPU idle power usage. My desktop's i7 7700K only uses 7 watts when idle, although I do have all power saving settings turned on. Is there a way to do that for the X170, or is the thing completely stuck with an unnecessarily high idle power usage?

Yeah it's a bummer there aren't more partner shops. It'd be awesome if all the shops offering the X170 were Prema partners. I'm pretty sure Prema is working on adding more partners and/or working on a way for people to get his BIOS through a specialized channel. The problem is that not all shops can be partner shops since not all of them can be trusted (the fiasco with Eurocom comes to mind).

 

Seems about right. My i7-8086K is idling at about 13W right now with only Chrome open.

 

I’ve heard some bad things about them in passing. Never bothered with them because they seemed to be more expensive with no reason other than greed. Care to elaborate?

 

From what I remember, Eurocom was caught installing Prema's BIOS on unauthorized machines. They were terminated as a Prema partner shortly after.

It was essentially distribution without permission.

Thanks. Are there power saving settings that can be switched on to make it consume less?

 

The issue is a first-world problem for those that view it as problematic. It's like expecting you can buy a brand new Roush Ford Mustang from the Toyota dealership because the Toyota dealership is the one closest to your house and most convenient, then calling it a problem that you can't. If you really want it, then you will do what is required to secure it or choose something else. Blaming the Ford dealer that you feel is too far away doesn't make any sense, and neither does blaming the Roush company for not being willing to do a retrofit to your used Mustang that you bought from the Toyota dealership just because it was closer and saved a few bucks. That's not the Roush business model, nor is it unfair or a problem that it is not.

The problem isn't a problem. The problem is the perception of a problem. By design, there is no Plan B or alternate path for those that want to make up the rules as they go.

 

I did not know about this fight between Prema and Eurocom when I bought my laptop. Maybe it is time for an open bios like linux vs. Windows or MacOS, end users should not be penalized for someone elses mistaktes. How much are is prema charging for their bios since I cannot get it from eurocom?

 

Unfortunately his BIOS is currently not for sale. You have to buy a laptop from a partner shop to obtain it.

 

That's not it. They were merely breaking the rules and got caught. So, they lost access and the partnership was terminated. It was unfortunate, but the fact of the matter is that the current business model existed before that happened. They had no influence on the current distribution model, but the underlying misbehavior is exemplary of why the current model became necessary.

 

Doesn't make much of a difference if I really cripple the CPU, maybe a couple watts at most sometimes.

 

Regardless , it is a dis-service to end users that did not know and took no part in it and don't have it available.

 

I mean, look at GPU miners and scalpers. It only takes a small subset of malcontents to ruin it for the rest of us.

 

I don't think that too many know the companies that are Prema partners outside of the USA.

Can you point us to a resource where we can find that information? In Europe I currently could not point out even one Prema Partner Shop.

I also think that a number of people come to this forum after having bought a Clevo at a shop that isn't a Prema partner only to find out that there is this great bios that they will never get and I can understand that they would not be too happy abvout that. Not that this would be the fault of Prema but more something that Clevo should address.

 

Perhaps they should have provided buyers with some kind of disclaimer or disclosure. I suspect they did not because they knew that would adversely affect their sales. The folks that were active in this community in the Clevo threads learned of it right away. They did work with another relatively famous BIOS modder who has primarily been focused on MSI firmware mods to provide a BIOS with unlocked menus. However, as expected, that did nothing to fix the throttling cancer that has to be removed by someone that knows what to remove. The unlocked BIOS menus won't do anything to correct that problem.

I think the page with the world map of partner shop locations was taken down. https://premamod.wordpress.com/ The list was evolving rapidly. Some North American Clevo resellers were removed and some were added, and I think others were added outside of the USA. Since I am not involved in his business I don't really have anything more specific. I generally find out things on a need to know basis that coincides with general public need to know, and I do not have any insider knowledge. I am more removed now that I have minimal involvement with laptops. If memory serves me correctly, partner shops include MetaBox (Australia), HIDevolution, LPC-Digital, zTecpc and Eluktronics (US), Clevo Center (Portugal), Dream Machines (Poland), Avell (Brazil) and Azom (India). There may be others I do not know about.

 

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe XMG is in the process of becoming a Prema Partner in EU?

 

Man, that would be really wonderful. They've got all the right stuff (approach to QC, customer service and good staff). I hope so, but I have no idea and I probably won't be one of the first to find out.

 

@Mr. Fox I know some companies, I won’t name them, do the same thing with the dsanke bios, they are making money of something Dsanke and I published for free and it is meant to be free, the sole purpose that I published it was for the benefit of other people. Some ‘companies’ are charging ‘€30’ for this supposedly unlocked bios. I hate it when people take advantage of free stuff like this.

I wish there was a way to do something about it but it’s out of my hands...

 

I believe in karma when it comes to dishonest scumbags. What goes around comes around.

 

I personally can say I'm grateful for @Prema though I didn't get my x170sm from a prema partner because the system was gifted to me by a friend of mine and I also have purchased other systems from non prema places there have been times he's helped me out only with legacy bios like p770zm and such and I've donated everytime he help because the man deserves to be paid periodt. ( in my Madea voice) now that I have a x170sm I'm trying to go as far as selling it on ebay and taking a loss on parts just to obtain the same machine thru ztec as I feel it's worth the loss for the bios and for @Mr. Fox and company mods and 10900k 5.1ghz cpu. I rather not sell and try to implement the mods myself because that's the tech in me that loves to tinker but this are tricks of their trade that they should be paid for.

 

C0% 2.3 means a lot run into your backround. Not only chrome. And yeah, cripple the Cpu just means longer time to do the tasks. Some think this is a more efficient way to run their processors. Not so sure @unclewebb is agree

 

you could help by listing the name of those companies so we do not purchase from them.