*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

XMG Tom stated that prema isn't answering any request as of now. Is there any secure way to contact prema? Perhaps someone with knowledge can get those two connected? Xmg tom can be contacted in xmgs discord and reddit more easier these days

 

I’m good with them on a personal level, although I don’t quite agree with their practices I want to sort things out before naming and shaming, plus I’m not the actual owner of the bios, dsanke is which is why it’s partially out of my hands etc...

 

Even with everything closed and low C0%, I can't get anywhere near your idle power.



Can you show me what your C States window looks like?

 

I am sure that Prema is aware of XMG / Schenker. I have mentioned them to him and I am sure others have, too. Plus Tom has been in contact or tried to get in contact.

XMG have their headquarters in the biggest EU country (Germany) and with regard to company structure / logistics and position in the EU they would be very well suited in my opinion but in the end Prema and XMG have to come to an agreement.

 

I wonder if a group of you located in the same country in the EU that were interested in "whatever Clevo laptop with a PremaBIOS" got together and approached a couple of vendors, saying you're ready to purchase 'x' number of these types of laptops, but they have to have a PremaBIOS. Then ask if they could become a Prema Partner. Perhaps that would get some more Clevo boutique shops to get on board the Prema Partnership program.

However, if XMG does get on board ( @XMG, can you make any public comment? ), perhaps market forces will start to work and other EU based competitors may start jumping on board.

 

Here. Load on the Cpu within same C0% and it will be a bit lower.


Edit.
Remember that watts in idle state are estimated numbers. Not 100% facts

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The Ampere mobile fiasco continue...

NVIDIA Ampere RTX 30 Laptop GPUs: TGP woes apart, OEMs may also decide boost clocks on their own
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cale-on-laptops.834039/page-100#post-11077446

 

I can get my 9900K as low as ~2W with nothing open. Your issue seems to be your cores are only going as low as C2.

 

The screenshot shows my cores are in C7 though?

 

Sorry I was looking at package p-states. This should also drop lower than C2, I’m not sure why yours isn’t, and it may explain the high power usage.

 

Papusan’s package C-State doesn’t drop below C2 either, but his package power is much lower than mine.

 

he gave me permission to post his bios for the x170sm if you havent already got it. download the second post i posted with the bios i have to fix the link and repost it to the first one. fully unlocks the 1.04 bios

 

Not sure if Prema is even taking on any new partners at the moment. Contacted him some time ago asking for his current partners in the European Union and no answer.

I would not have contacted him as I am sure he gets lots of requests but as Mr. Fox has pointed out the partner map on his site has been down for some time now and a good friend was looking for a real DTR and I wanted to recommend a Prema partner in the EU where he could buy from.

My friend will now wait for the 30xx cards to materialize in the X170 which may help in shedding more light on the situation of Prema partners in the EU.

 

The feeling when you disassemble the laptop completely to find a washer that supposedly allegedly fell behind the cpu, can't find it, find yourself with 5467563423 screws to put back in, and after all, you end up with 1 screw that's missing. Well, at least I cleaned the fans and all..
On another note, I notice the gpu die thermal paste dries out far faster than the cpu counterpart, could there be a height / pressure difference?

 

It amaze me that people + Tech editors as in Notebookcheck didn't see what would come. What a sick sick trend! Gamingbooks is now turned transformed into pure Applebooks with gaming functionality.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cale-on-laptops.834039/page-101#post-11077559

 

A decent over clock on the 2080S and it will just about match the 3080... Progress !

 

Currently the best 3080 mobile they tested sits at only 62% of the performance of the desktop unit - what a letdown!

If they get the maximum out of the 3080 mobile chip at about 200W I can see Alienware and Clevo closing the gap but not sure if they will be capable of going beyond 75% of the performance of a desktop solution.

Lots of money spent for subpar performance seems to be the name of the game at this stage!

 

What 200w cards? I http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-410#post-11077029

 

That's why I wrote if - after all it says 150W with a "+" added

Looking at the specs of the 3080 chip I am not even sure that we will see that much of a difference going from 165W to 200W. The chip is destined for much lower performance than the desktop version anyway so it is probably not very helpful to throw that much power at it.

 

OK, so basically DTRs are almost dead, just hanging by the thread of the desktop CPUs. The only way to get close to desktop performance is to use an eGPU with an external monitor (and it will only work well in higher resolutions or for some non-gaming applications).
TBH I wonder why Clevo couldn't just use a desktop 3080, with TGP locked to 200W in VBIOS. Die size should be similar in theory but perhaps it's not. Perhaps Nvidia wouldn't allow this?

 

There are probably scenarios where Clevo could use a bigger chassis like it used to be in vogue for the 18.4" laptops of some years ago and even put in a desktop 3080 card but it would be a huge undertaking for very modest sales - not a good idea and the problems could be endless but they could probably do it without asking Nvidia but why?
As for only desktop chips they would have to be supported by Nvidia if they wanted to get and use them so if Nvidia does not like the idea it won't work.

 

You know what I really wish someone would come up with is literally a briefcase pc case. My last desktop was made in an Ncase M1. A small 10L case and it was rocking a 2080ti and 8086k inside. So making a briefcase sized case should be fairly straight forward. That way we could have our DTR and literally everything was replaceable. Yeah it would be heavy, but I think those of us that use DTR machines normally put our machines on a desk when we use them anyway.

 

Time to break out the soldering iron.

 

Shunt modding time!

 

Don`t need to break anything, because it will most probably only involve a vbios mod if the FETS and Thermal solution alows it.

 

Do go on.

 

How many could break Nvidia’s falcon security chip and add whatever TGP for 2080 Super mobile? And we have Clock Block 3.0. Or is it up in revision 4.0 now?

 

Indeed!

 

You couldn’t kill these cards even if you didn’t use a shunt, just straight up bridge the resistor

Some kind of artificial power limit would probably stop the extra gpu power in its tracks...

 

If Nvidia have one shred of decency left they will at least allow for the same maximum TDP as in the previous generation. I don't care if it is then officially 150W with a 50W boost or whatever but it would be ridiculous to go backwards.
So something will have to be released with an at least 200W TDP and hopefully more if there really will be a 3080 TI mobile.

 

True, most likely some hidden cancer as always. We already have clock block, limited voltages, tdp cap & boost that relies on temp.
Scaling will likely be marginal, as seen on the desktop cards, as efficiency isn't that great as seen with the 520W 3080 scoring ~10% more than stock.

Are there specs for the MXM versions yet?

 

looks like it'll take 5080 mobile to catch up to desktop 3080. no buying new GPU until then.

 

200 watts extra required over stock TGP for a measly 10% performance increase? That's a horrible return.

 

Can't you tape/glue them on to not leave evidence of tampering? At least some people on youtube do that.

 

This would be the moment for AMD to come with a 200w mobile RX6000. Alas...

 

... with DLSS 2.0 and RT. Raw power might not cut it

 

Yeah I think so too but if it were an option maybe Nvidia wouldn’t charge a fortune for the rtx 3080 laptops that are coming out. A 200w rx 6800 mobile would give the 3080 mobile a run for its money.

 

So guys there are some new benchmarks with the 150 W 3080 inside the Alienware M15 R4 here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r4-owners-lounge.835058/page-16#post-11077669

Is this the same card that we will get in the KM-G?

 

2080S vs. 3080 (155W):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1929#post-11077655

 

Gents. I am about to buy stuff to delid my 10900k from rockitcool. Should I just buy the 10th Gen copper upgrade kit and Flitz polish?

 

https://www.rockitcool.com/products/10th-gen-copper-upgrade-kit
https://www.rockitcool.com/products/flitz-polish

 

The name is a little silly, upgrade your copper to copper

 

Before I go ahead and order more...

What are people using as TIM for these machines? I've got some Kryonaught already (used it on mine and my wifes desktops) but wondering if maybe I should get something a bit better for the laptop?

 

I'd say only get the copper IHS. I'm pretty skeptical that the polish would actually help decrease temps further. Make sure to use LM both between the CPU die and IHS, and between the IHS and the heatsink if you want to make the most of that copper IHS.

It seems Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, Phobya Nanogrease Extreme, Coollaboratory liquid pro/ultra, and Thermal Grizzly Contuctonaut are the TIMs of choice.

 

I expect we will see new laptop design once +4 cores Tiger lake-H is out. And what you think will happen? Make (gaming) laptops great again and increase the chassis thickness to be able to provide put in better cooling for 200W graphics? Nope! Won't happen. The coming notebook design is doomed to follow Apples paths.


http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cale-on-laptops.834039/page-101#post-11077559

It'll be interesting to see where Nvidia and PC makers go from here because the limits of cooling technology has now become an even bigger obstruction to the advancement of mobile graphics performance than ever before.

"We certainly doubt this is something OEMs want to consider now that consumers have grown accustomed to successful thin and sleek Max-Q gaming models like the MSI GS66, Razer Blade, Gigabyte Aero, or Asus Zephyrus"

There you have it

 

Don't get the copper IHS unless you are ready to sand it down (not easily doable since the heat sink is convex, not flat) and adjust the thickness of thermal pads on the CPU power delivery components. RockitCool copper IHS is substantially thicker than stock and will change the z-height of your heat sink and you will be caught up in a big headache where you will be required to upgrade a whole bunch of other components that are not going to give you any benefit in return. Stock IHS is within margin of error with copper IHS anyway. I have a bunch of them lying around and even tried to fit one in but gave up due to these reasons given above. Just get the flitz metal polish, the sodder remover (QuickSilver), the delid tool and call it a day.

 

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever swapped out their clevo keyboard for a different keyboard that has the same dimensions and fits directly into the chassis? The travel and tactile feedback on these chiclet style keys on this machine is not good enough for me and I was wondering if someone has ever done some mods in this area. (Yeah yeah I know I can use an external keyboard too, that is an obvious solution but I am not looking for that solution.) I'm keen to know your experience in this regard guys. For example, the CyberPower GT415SVR100 keyboard and the Cyberpower Tracer 3 Extreme 17 seem to have a very similar layout and dimensions and are mechanical too.

@Donald@zTecpc @Spartan@HIDevolution

 

Perhaps newest selling point could be:
Increased thickness to provide more power to the customer, we are the very first!
Basically back to square one

 

Or to put it another way: The performance difference with the previous generation of cards was not enough to justify the bigger and thicker laptops but now we can really offer big performance increases when the customers decide to get a real high performance laptop

 

what we need is a cooling solution similar to how nvme's have destroyed 5400rpm hard drivers...lol. there has to be something out there that hasn't been invented yet.

 

Especially when the companies you didn’t mention aren’t too far behind on following this trend too with their gaming machines. Just give it some more time because laptops like the Alienware and Aorus laptops are gonna get thinner one day. Plus Asus is half way to the soldered ram solution. ((Why?! Having half soldered ram makes no sense to me)j