*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Titanium alloy heatsinks are the future (for now), like the one used in the ASUS ProArt Studiobook One. How do you think they cool that 250w quadro in such a ‘slim’ 15.6’’ laptop

 

Ok, then I want one for my X170SM-G....lol

 

If only they were cheap man, titanium alloys are expensive. Clevo would comfortably add another $1000 to the base price of the X170SM-G if they used that lol.

 

The Quadro RTX 6000 is limited to 200W in that, and thermal throttles.

 

You belive in magic? They all follow same recipe... Only with different names
How Dell cripple performance explained by.....

And then we have the latest features... Called Nvidia Dynamic Boost
How will Ampere scale on laptops?

 

Well, Arthur C. Clarke famously stated that sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, although he probably didn't mean thin and light laptops

 

I don’t know why I trusted ASUS anyways and to think I was even thinking of buying a rtx 3080 strix g17 lol. How could I let that thought cross my mind lol. Especially when a crappy Alienware m17 r4 rtx 3080 beats it lol. Talk about a bga throttlebook beating an even worse bga throttlebook

On the plus side at least you can cross flash rtx 3080 vbioses which is nice

 

I’m wary of the long-term safety of cross flashing a vBIOS designed for different hardware. And yeah, the Asus 3080M is really gimped, only 115W base TGP. Someone in my Discord server had a Strix G17 per-ordered, but cancelled it because the 115W 3080M was barely faster than Asus’ 115W 3070M in reviews. He ended up picking up a GE76 with 150W 3080M at Micro Center.

 

That lines up with what I say in some early benchmarks. If you’re getting one of the lower TGP models stay clear of the 3080. I haven’t seen anything on the 150w 3080 yet. But I’m still not expecting anything ground breaking. Really just seems like the 3070 is the only really good option.

 

Here are some stock and OCed TS scores from aforementioned GE76 owner:





Either way, graphics score between desktop 3060 Ti (12K) and 3070 (13.7K).

 

Awesome. Looks like I'm going to order more Kryonaut then. Not sure how much I currently have left.

 

Ah cool. Thanks.

Hmm. . .yeah that’s lower than I figured it would be. Man Nvidia really did mislabel gpus this gen. Back to the good ol days where the top end laptop gpu is a mid range card at best.

 

They should have gone back to the m designation.

 

If they just clearly labeled their TGP on the spec pages and boxes then atleast it would be easy to tell what you’re getting. Since there is so much variation between laptops it’s a bit of a head scratcher to know what you’re getting.

 

TGP is only part of the story, cooling matters a lot too.

 

Keep in mind those scores are in discrete mode. With Optimus, stock is lower than 3060 Ti.

 

Yeah everything is made around boost levels these days. Kinda why I wanted to go with DTR to try and avoid that as much as possible.

 

A little more tuning to do but im more than happy with this result so far.

 

Yeah all boil down to the design trend we have seen for most of the OEM the last half decade. BGA was needed to make it happen. And worse it will be. Be you sure. Because the thin and sleek sickness drama we have witnessed will only continue in a leap we have never seen before.

With the time going forwards you haven't other choice than go for eGPU setup and iGPU for on the go. No point put in high end mobile graphics cards in gaming notebooks. They can't be cooled anyway in the coming Apple design and will loose even more vs desktop cards with same SKU brand. We have now passed halfway on the way. Ampere mobile showed us this.
We have now passed the point of no return.

 

Months ago I said that all X170SM-G models are defective and produce visible inverse ghosting/overshoot which is mainly visible when dark color changes to light.
I was able to confirm this with UFO Test. Both AUO panels (240 and 300 Hz) had this problem. My suspision was that this is because Clevo factory enables lcd overdrive and does not allow it to be disabled and this forcing users to accept a screen which has visible inverse ghosting.

Now I tested the new ROG G733QS which has the new 300 Hz Sharp panel. By default this also showed some minimal level of inverse ghosting, however unlike with the X170 it was barely visible and even I only was able to see it if I specifically looked for it.
I needed to also run UFO Test to confirm it.
This is because Asus also enables lcd overdrive by default, however unlike Clevo they allow users to disable it. I disabled it and as I expected, no more inverse ghosting. Completely fixed.

In short, if you do not mind going with a BGA laptop which has slightly better performance then the X170SM-G, then go with G733QS because it is faster and it does not have ghosting screen.

Until Clevo finally get up their *ss and add an option to disable overdrive, I do not recommend this laptop and I consider all models to be factory defective due to a design flaw.

Forcing users to use lcd overdrive and accepting a screen which has ghosting because of this is a big no in my book and a reliable company should never do this.

 

Laptops are always compromised products. None exist that lack glaring faults and engineering defects. Those buying them should decide what is important and what they are willing to forgive. Some have more defects than others, but all of them are trash in their own unique ways.

 

They are only worth what people are willing to pay. For example. I have titanium eye glass frames...... if I go to my eye doctor, he wants $350 for the frame. If I go to a place like zenni optical they are $8 a frame, same frame. same material. When when Zenni Optical opened up on line they ruined the market on eye glasses.

Later that year the news had an article on how there are 2 companies world wide that make eye glass frames and they were price fixing them to keep the cost inflated.

 

What do you guys think of Coollaboratory Liquid MetalPad? It looks like it is very good compared to everything else, according to the tests done by Tom's Hardware
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yqSq6qVDxvcsSQc3kFUvfG.png
I would just get the Liquid Ultra or Pro for the BEST, but I am not a fan of re-applying it every few months. It looks like the MetalPad is a one-time deal and then I can pretty much forget it after that...

 

It can work very well but the fit of components has to be virtually perfect. This is close to impossible with a laptop, especially when a unified heat sink is involved. If the fit is not perfect then it can't work as intended. It won't bond properly unless there is solid contact across 100% of the mating surfaces, which is extremely rare for laptops. If you're lucky enough to have a laptop where the parts fit well enough it can work fine.

Liquid Pro (not Ultra) works excellent. Liquid metal doesn't have to be reapplied after copper has finished absorbing it. Once the pores in the copper are saturated the liquid metal more or less lasts indefinitely. Nickel surfaces are ideal, especially for use with liquid metal because you get to skip over the absorption phase. It is unfortunate that so many thermal solutions are antiquated and still rely on raw copper finishes.

Sadly, that is only the tip of the iceberg. The same dishonest business practices affect us in more ways than we can even imagine. Free enterprise works amazingly well when there is cut-throat competition and we all reap the benefits. When competition is limited and the players engage in collusion, everyone suffers due to their dishonesty.

 

Well, Liquid Pro it is!! I am getting the this kit https://www.rockitcool.com/collections/10th-gen/products/10th-gen-copper-upgrade-kit and will get the Liquid Pro on Amazon!! This is great news!

 

I've found Kryonaught is fine. It's non-curing so I don't have to change it every year or so.

 

Designs in general ability for the form factor have improved but TDPs have just been getting silly.

 

Agreed. Pushing stuff to the max is fun, but this current GPU generation just seems to waste a lot of power.

Having a TGP of 320 watts on the RTX 3080, even on desktops, is ludicrous. A consumer GPU should not have to draw that much power at max load.

 

Yeah, maybe they should stop the chassis shrinking race until they get chips with lower TGP. I expect they still get TGP/TDP numbers from the chips manufacturers to work with. Many laptop manufacurers also make desktops and know what they'll get from intel, nvidia and AMD long time beforehand. You don't need to be an NASA engineer to see the TGP/TDP will stay around the same or even increase when you are on the same old node/arch as the last 5 years. And all knew that the Samsung silicon Nvidia jumped on was in short a refined 10nm who still would need decent TGP numbers to perform decently above Turing graphics.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-introspective.832824/page-2#post-11011810

In short the notebook manufacturers didn't bother with the numbers trhey got. Sleek and thin will always trump common sense!

 

We will have to see the benchmarks to see the relevancy of each chip at each power point.

 

What everyone has been waiting for. Some by choice; for others merely an object of dread.

mørk skygge... mørk skygge som faller ned til helvetes groper

 

Native 4K performance is quite a bit behind desktop 3070. 150W is just too low get good clockspeeds at UHD.

 

Is there a way for a marketing team to basically copy this advertisement except change the words "thin" -> "thick" and performance charts too? Same components performing 30-50% better than competitor's laptops? Maybe even list the laptop models used in the comparisons? They usually don't list their competitor's machines often times...

 

That’s because they don’t want you to know they were using a MacBook to get those outlandish numbers.

 

Well i think im sending mine back. All its done is hang on cold boots and BSOD on load the past 2 days. And BSOD just doing general stuff...

Update. Falied memtest so the S.I are sending me out some more memory. 99% sure this will fix it !

 

If it is the popular new 3200 CL22 turdbook rubbish that runs 1.200V the voltage is probably too low. The only reason that gimmicky JEDEC is even bootable at 1.200V is the sloppy loose timings.

That junk was invented to make gamer-kids think they have something special when the truth is they paid a lot of money for a system hobbled by janky sissy-boy firmware with no useful configuration options.

 

I have 2666Mhz kit installed. Memtest failed just over 5 minutes in.

 

Well shoot, that's not good. More likely than not replacing it will fix your BSOD problems. Are the IC chips SKHynix? What capacity? I have had nothing but bad experience with SKHynix RAM chips, especially with modules larger than 8GB. Hopefully, they will send memory modules with Samsung or Micron IC chips.

 

They are corsair modules CMSX32GX4M2A2666C18

Pc won't boot enough for me to check who makes the chips on them.

Edit; They are Samsung chips

 

That is a bit unusual, but not totally unheard of. The nice thing is you could not ask for an easier problem to fix. Have you tried removing one and running the memory test to see if it is just one causing the issue? It might let you continue to use the system while waiting for the replacement sticks. If you can identify the one causing the problem, you can check the replacement modules before returning the defective module, in case one of the replacements has an issue.

 

Currently doing that now. They have already sent 2 new stick out to me overnight shipping. I just hope it fixes things. If not things become alot more complicated.

One of the sticks made memtest85 stall 12mins in. Had to do a hard shutdown.
Think it may be that one.

 

You know I have the same exact Ram kit in my machine. Had mine lock up and BSOD during a game and then again when I tried rebooting the system. Figured it was my overclock on my cpu so I reset everything to default. I’m gonna have to do some tests and see if It was my memory.

 

One stick failed mem test and even made it crash. The other one passed 2 passes and i stop the run as its fine. Just bad luck

 

It happens. I bought my kit a long time ago but still should be able to get a replacement sent if it’s bad.

I’m still thinking it was user error on my part as sometimes I forget I changed something and just cause instability.

 

Great. Test the new RAM individually (if they are sending you the same exact kit) and test again with both sticks installed. That way if one of the new sticks is bad you can keep the good one, use the good one you have now, and return two defective modules.

 

Exactly what I was planning on doing. I'm honestly just pleased with the customer service really

 

Check as if the slots may have issues too just in case.

 

Both ram sticks tested in the same slot. The less variables the better.

 

Sounds like you are getting excellent support, with the replacements!

 

Yes very even sending it out next day delivery on a sunday too.