*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

Looks like P7 and non-VC P8 users are gonna have to drill holes in their heatsinks to accommodate the new RTX 30 x-bracket.

 

Seems like it's not worth it for the 2080S owners to upgrade at all..
Can imagine the 3080 costing 1200 atleast plus the new heatsink of roughly 260, half a new laptop basically

 

The updated x170? They might be around +250$ since the heatsink includes two fans, speculation of course.

 

The holes is wider from each other on all sides. Will most likely crash with pipes.

 

There might be ways to use some extension mounting brackets, but you will need to know tolerances.

Ie. something akin to this:
https://imgur.com/oEvVqE1

 

Yup you're right, looks like a new custom heatsink would need to be fabbed for P7/P8.

Otoh, if any X170SM-G users are upgrading to RTX 30 Series, lmk if you're selling your 2080S MXM card.

 

Can't see much point upgrade from 2080 Super to 165W 3080 laptop cards

It will be +1600 for what gain?

 

Unless you can shunt mod it, and there aren't any nvidia traps that lock the card into 2d clocks, there *could* be some gains. But the efficiency on this generation is pretty hilarious, what was it 520W draw for 10% performance increase?

 

A very few shunt mod their cards = Fewer used Super cards on the market. Yeah, you'll get some more performance but don't expect magic. Nvidia killed that option with going for GA104.

 

Well, I'm willing to upgrade from 1080 to 3080.
Can't wait to have the money tho lol

 

You'll worry more about voltage under constant load.

 

This is out of the box hardware, Clevo stock firmware, no overclock performance:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19039436

 

Comparing your link bench with my benchmark @Prema :
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/8781002/spy/19039436

I'd say it's a worth upgrade even for the money of gpu+heatsink

 

Yeah it is a nice step up from a 1080.

 

So the stock firmware kill Cpu performance to show up better graphics scores? Or is it the latest and greatest from Redmond? I think we will say the firmware or the software.

 

There is no combined load test in TS.
The TS CPU only test is rather low due to some shenanigans in the stock firmware that lowers performance without actually dropping clocks.

It was rather hard to get the X to play game and scale with clocks:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19003960

 

Is this a Z590 board?

And here is 3DM Firestrike https://www.3dmark.com/fs/25134836

 

The X170SM is a Z490
The X170KM is a Z590

Brother Papu keeps digging, don't you have to walk the dog or something...

Yeah, that FS run combined score is not a good look for the X...

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/25107521/fs/25134836

 

Already done the late walking Maybe I should go on a night trip I'm sure both Ivan and Linus want a trip more, LOOL

Edited with this.

AMD Ryzen = Higher Combined scores vs. Intel on same OS.

The top 100 combined is filled with Ryzen...

 

Nice !
Could you please check that did Clevo finally add an option in Clevo Control Center for the KM to disable the factory enabled lcd overdrive ?
Would be nice that after Asus, Acer, MSI and Lenovo finally Clevo would also join the party and allow users to disable lcd overdrive (if they factory enable it) to eliminate the overshoot/inverse ghosting.

 

Damn you are right...i have only locked at the PCB, did not see the mounting

 

Shows you how bad Ampere is when people are starting to miss Turing, which people also didn't like when it was new. Nvidia peaked with the 1080.

 

Tell me why one should upgrade from a 2080S ?

 

Congrats Clevo for the "your laptop is upgradable" shtick. I might sell mine, I have no patience for this.

 

The duo chip runs at a much lower wattage (115 basis//150 with msis flashed bios) while providing same fps, its a clear winner (mentioned before). Also the msis new bga turd beats most of the competition running a 10980hk with a rtx 3080 at 150w as well. Vram is a selling point, theres a reason they withheld 16gb for the 2080S, otherwise nobody would buy this new glitterbox.

 

I don't get excited by the same fps for lower wattage when I buy a DTR...

 

Longevity and quietness is why you should. A desktop is super quiet as well. So would make sense to get same performance at a quieter stance. Otherwise it's just another lawnmower

 

I don't want to argue this point ad infinitum. When I upgrade to a new generation of GPUs I expect to buy with my money next generation performance, not only efficiency. You may have different priorities and that's ok.

 

Check above screenshot. You get double vram and more efficiency. Its literally better performance. Nobody forces to upgrade, since prices for it are stupid anyway. Wouldn't do myself.

 

Double VRAM and efficiency don't necessarily mean better performance. The Radeon VII had 16GB RAM but that does not say anything on its own. The improved efficiency on the other hand WOULD indeed have meant better performance IF we got a 200w mobile version of the 3080.

A sensical upgrade from a 1080 would be a 125w 3070, but even then it's frustrating that it's surpassed by last year's 2080S (unless you're heavily into raytracing)

Edit: yes the Battlefield scores at 1080p are good

 

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Meanwhile it looks like the numbers are creeping up for the X170KM:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19007778

Now at the top of the graphics leaderboard for Time Spy but the turdbooks from MSI and Dell are pretty close:

https://www.3dmark.com/search#advan...ck=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

 

I actually might go bga, the ASUS Strix Scar 15 is looking tempting, with the GE76 3080 vbios flashed onto it that thing is decent. Gpu temps are already low, around 75c max there is some headroom for another 30w...
Slap some liquid metal on the gpu and it’s golden, the 5800h already comes with lm on it

I’ve heard that 8GB and 16GB variants actually utilise the same vbios is that true?

BTW the only reason I’m considering this is because I get it dirt cheap. I’m talking £1699 with that spec (student discount applied and 30-50% cheaper than rivals with the same max-p spec), considering you can make it one of the best max-p rtx 3080 you can get after a vbios flash I’m saving £1100 over a X170KM-G with a similar spec

That’s a no brainier in my eyes bga turdbook or not, I just want to play cyberpunk at decent settings

 

That's what i said last year as well. If you take your ssd and ram to the next device you stay on the "hype" while essentially paying half (perhaps more) the money of a dtr. Especially since upgrading is almost false advertising if you have to pay 1500€+. It's basically another bgas price.

Clevo should work on amazing cooling while being quiet to truely make a DESKTOP replacement. Not just a fat laptop where you at best can repair.

 

The sad truth is that often selling a laptop and getting a new one may be less hassle.
Would be cool if laptop cards could be standardized so that it would be lucrative for a manufacturer to offer them like a regular desktop GPU. Not holding my breath there...

The goal of high performance and of having a quiet laptop with the same parts is actually not so different. I recently made a number of tests with different top of the line DTRs and a few gaming laptops and at a given workload the gaming laptops always were more quiet.
So if Clevo would finally give its DTR / gaming flagship a vapor chamber for the CPU we will also benefit from less noise at a given workload when the laptop is used as a DTR.

Not that it would hurt if Clevo increased the chassis size again to make an even more quiet and powerful DTR - there will always be the temptation to increase power consumption to achieve more performance and a laptop with a cooling system that can dissipate up to 500W would be both more powerful at peak performance and more quiet with everyday workloads with everything else being equal to a chassis with a lower TDP.

 

Indeed, to this day i wonder why they also choose to integrate a small fan along the big one. High pitch noise is thousand times more annoying.

 

Probably because they thought it was good enough and there are space constraints when you narrow down the chassis that much.

 

They made a entire new chassis for the x170, you'd believe they think ahead. 90-95 degrees 10900k is definatly not thinking ahead.

 

When I had my X170SM-G I put a 10900k in it and I was getting mid to high 70s max with liquid metal, that was without a delid too, I don’t think they did a terrible job with the cpu side heatsink but I wish they would have used proper screws that put enough pressure for good contact.

I was running a 10900 non K in mine which was delidded and that thing ran like a dream, no power limit throttling either, maybe they hadn’t implemented the cancer throttling firmware when it was just released. Who knows

I wish they went a different way and implemented a thick vapour chamber style heatsink, something by the likes of the razer blade 17 but on a much bigger scale whilst utilising the numerous heat pipes the Clevo heatsink already has. That would be future proofing. But alas Clevo has never been known for cool and quite gaming, hell MSI used to do a better job at cooling before they completed got rid of their GT series laptop (stupidest choice possible)

 

I had mine as one of the first too, 10700k with 2080S. CPU went on all titles over 80 degrees, flight sim it went to 94 degrees. No LM, only undervolt.

 

Your heatsink must have been defective or the thermal paste application on the cpu side could have been absolutely atrocious. Another thing about Clevo, there is no quality control... (P870KM/TM vapour chamber comes to mind )

 

Well the paste in reference was thermal grizzly, so theres that fault already coverd

 

I hope you're kidding. Yeah, its a no brainer. Don't buy it Don't support this brand with money.

 

Would rather go tongfang if bga is a must be. They haven't pulled any bs yet afaik.

 

Clevo heatsink lottery has no winners

 

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Some X170KM-G gameplay:


Not sure at what point we should start posting about the X170KM-G in a different thread?

 

Why is the clock speed capped at 3.7ghz? The temps are unreasonable low.. perhaps capped clocks? The fps are pretty bad as well.

 

I don't game so I did not even check the numbers. 3.7GHz seems very low though.

Interestingly enough somebody by the same name posted an impressive time spy graphics score, the country also seems to match judging by the comments under the video:
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/19007778

One would think that such a score would translate into higher fps.

 

@Prema said it's a sample unit from https://www.hitech-gamer.com/