*** Official Clevo X170SM-G/Sager NP9670M Owner's Lounge ***

These guys are in Austria so that makes sense - a lot more sense than the low fps at only 3.7 GHz

 

A lot of 1080p testing which will produce odd results as it's such a low resolution.

 

In Prema mod I set cpu offset at -90 mV. How come XTU says core offset 0? Do these not talk to each other?

 

Have you checked the undervolt is applying in other software?

 

No, just XTU. The chipmaker would know, I thought.

Actually, I just checked by rebooting and the Prema setting is back to 0 offset. Would merely starting XTU do that?? I made sure to Save and Exit from Prema mod.

 

Yes it can load defaults.

 

Cpu turbo boost is disabled, probably to get lower temps for the cpu and gpu. (Hotter cpu=hotter gpu because of the shared heatsink)
Some games had it enabled and the cpu temp there was 91C peak.
To be honest, I am not impressed. A bga turdbook like MSI ge76 give same or better performance and even a scar 17 with modded vbios and performance killing optimus can give close to this performance and those turdbooks have better software and do not have lcd overdrive issue that causes graphical distortion.
The biggest difference is in games that are cpu intensive and benefit from the 2 extra cores.

 

It is not better to create a separate tread, because the discutions are diverted from the X170SM ?

 

Agreed that a separate thread would be nice, maybe when it comes some of these posts can be ported over.

Regarding the X170KM I think it is better to wait until the first stock units actually get out from big resellers like Sager, Eurocom or XMG. Let's hope that their bios will be good enough to insure that the X170KM does not get beaten by comparatively thin turdbooks out of the box.

While a crappy stock or non-Prema bios may be a nice selling point for Prema resellers it is not good for the general perception of the X170. What @Prema brings to the table should not make the difference between pretty crappy and fantastic but between very good and fantastic. The X170 should still be better out of the box than an out of the box BGA-book like the GE76 which means that with comparable effort the user should be able to select some kind of gaming preset on both and the X170 should come out on top. If it isn't then sales will eventually suffer as too few resellers are offering the Prema bios and performance will not be what it should be. Maybe not that much of an issue in the short run but in the long run this last remaining LGA / MXM model may also disappear if the performance is not what it should be.

Clevo will also have to get on board with the QHD panels - Acer, Asus and TongFang already have them in their turdbooks but no word until now from Clevo. To my knowledge all that Clevo offers is a UHD with high latency and low refresh rate and 1080p screens where refresh rates start to border on the ridiculous. There are diminishing returns to be had at 120Hz and beyond and it will also be nice to have panels that are closer to 400 nits than to 300.

 

First of all, that was always the case with Clevo stuff, all but crappy firmware, until Prema made them great again. Too bad some of us do not have resselers with acces to such a firmware (yes I am talking about us from Europe).

Second, you are right, a 120hz or 165hz Qhd (high gamut) panel would be nice.

 

But for competitive gamers (not me) surely the combo of a high end desktop CPU with a 300hz screen at 1080p is precisely the selling point, no?

 

Most probably you will attain stable 300fps for that 300hz screen only in CS GO

 

Other manufacturers seem to have stepped up their game regarding firmware cancer so Clevo better get with the program to make some improvements.

Let's see if and when those QHD panels get released, just don't use the old 120Hz panel as that one is not quite up to today's standard anymore.

 

I am still using the old 75hz Lg g-sync panel (Clevo P870DM), so I cannot complain, as it is for me an upgrade nevertheless.

 

That would be quite the upgrade

 

8k, 240hz @120FPS would be nice.... :-D

 

I can't even go back to 1080p60 on gaming systems any more - My first P870 spoiled me with 2560p120, and more recently gaming on 4k60 w/ g-sync.

 

Depends on size, 1080p is still ok at 17" and 4k imo makes only sense in TVs.

 

I actually prefer the pixel size of 1080p at 17" Which is why I am in favor of 19 or 20" laptop screens for QHD - works much better.
Not that any manufacturer would care about that in the days of the ever slimmer and lighter laptop...

 

I've been trying to find a "luggable" for 20 years...

 

Stick with a 3070 or 3060.

 

Hey Mr Sager rep, heard anything on the 11900k in a Clevo? or the Amd 5950.

 

No news yet.

 

Not sure if this is mentioned, but Clevo have now put up X170KM-G on their webpage

 

Hey! As for video cards based on X170KM, they have TDP 3060-130w, 3070-140w, 3080-165w. At 3080 there is a GPU chip from the desktop 3070 with slightly increased frequencies.

 

If you mean i9-11900K support in X170KM-G, then yes, these processors work in these notebooks.

 

The X170KM-G uses a Z590 chipset, so yes, all Rocket Lake CPUs will work in it.

 

Last one that qualified and even had LGA and a swappable GPU was the HP HDX Dragon:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-Pavilion-HDX-9320EG-Notebook.9461.0.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/hp-hdx-9000-dragon-owners-lounge-part-2.515212/

Very nice (and extremely rare) 1920x1200 screen but the case is made mostly out of shiny plastic - not that great.
With today's smaller bezels a screen of almost that size would fit in a notebook that is the size of an Alienware 18 or MSI GT83 so one would probably be able to get away with something that will still fit in normal 18.4" laptop backpacks and that does not weigh much more than 11 to 12lbs.

The first and imo biggest problem is that there are ZERO modern screens in the size bracket between 17.3" and 23" and as long as these do not exist there cannot be a laptop with a still practical screen size.
And yes, I might also get one with a 23" screen but a "laptop" of that size will really be such a novelty that is is 100% certain to lose money for its maker while for one with a 19.5 or 20" screen we would at least get some of the freaks on this forum to buy

 

you just get it with the wheel barrow attachment...

 

Hopefully the 10th gen 10 core will have a decent longevity, since LGA1200 has now had it's last cpu path.

 

This second generation is really weird as Intel actually reduced the number of cores compared to Comet Lake. I was hoping that maybe we would get 12 cores with Rocket Lake but instead we only get 8...
Oh well, order placed now for one of these:



And yes, I know it is silly but it was only about 3 Euros more than the cheapest offer for a normal 10850k so why not

 

The die is 24% bigger for 11gen

 

Yep, when I saw that it was quite obvious why they went down to 8 cores. An even bigger die with less cores is really the last thing that I would have expected but I guess that's Intel for you these days...

Edit: Good comparison thanks to der8auer:

 

Backported from 10nm to 14nm+++ node and cores fattened up with niche AVX512. But with a bigger die the power density should be lower which should be interesting for OC (hopefully). Must be why Intel pre-binned the 8 core part and segmented them into 11700k & 11900k.

 

So today I called German Clevo reseller Nexoc inquiring about availability of the upcoming X170KM-G and to my very big surprise they had just gotten their first batch

Resistance was futile but at least I managed to stay reasonable and ordered the version with the RTX 3060. It certainly helped that the RTX 3070 is already quite a bit more expensive and the 3080 even more so and I do not really need to have a top of the line GPU. For what I am doing the 3060 will already be more than I need most of the time.

In any case I look forward to receiving this one at some point next week - my first computer with more than 6 cores and as much RAM as I need

 

Did you order it with a CPU? What prices did they say?

 

Just looked on the nexoc website:

2999 Euro with 10700F and 3070

https://www.nexoc.de/shop/notebooks...-3070-8gb-fhd-300-hz-nb-wva-ohne-windows-17-3

and the one with 3060 starts at 2200. Not that bad prices.
https://www.nexoc.de/shop/notebooks...-3060-6gb-fhd-144-hz-nb-wva-ohne-windows-17-3

 

Its basically same price as previous gen

 

Not sure how the rules are in this forum when it comes to discussing pricing so I would rather not post that but I guess it is not hard to find the page with the barebones:
https://www.nexoc.de/shop/barebones/

Price is pretty good I'd say if you are willing to put in the time and build for yourself, hopefully it will be more fun than frustration

The plan is to use the 10850K and populate most of the RAM and SSD slots. We will turn this into a bit of a family affair and build this one and while we are at it repaste the P870TM of my son.

 

Hope you orderd a good pair of Headphones

 

Preferably closed back, with active noise cancelling.

 

Hehe

Hopefully not needed, will mostly run it at lower clock speeds and with an undervolt. I am looking at something between 4.2 and 4.5 for all cores and I will also enlist the help of two of these for some external help if needed:
https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a20-5v

 

Why is it taboo to discuss pricing? Everything is price fixed and google searches will tell you what the parts cost? there is no secret there, the only secret is prophet margin.

My first experience with price fixing which is against the law by the way was with commercial lawn equipment.... manufacturers could not come out and tell a dealer that they cannot under cut other dealers but it is an unspoken truth, I know how much that engine , mowing deck cost, it comes down to how much you want to screw customers and how much customers are going to spend on stuff that costs no money at all like warranties.

 

Does anyone know if another revision of the X170 will shortly follow the release of Intel's Alder Lake CPUs?

Seeing that Alder Lake is supposed to release in September, it makes more sense to wait for an X170 compatible with 12th Gen CPUs than to get the KM-G.

I know you can play the waiting game forever, but I was planning on buying a laptop in December of this year anyway. If I have to wait just a bit longer than that to get a significantly better CPU, I'd be willing to wait.

 

They will probably refresh it next year if i had to wild guess. Who really knows when alder lake releases.. maybe this next or 2 years .. intel is never quaranteed

 

It would make sense for them to have a new chassis for that, as 12th gen requires a larger socket (LGA1700), entirely new mounting system and also adds in DDR5 support, I'd expect it well into 2022.

 

Well slightly increased shader counts rather than clocks.

 

hi. I have a problem. after rebooting the laptop thinks that there is no power and it is running on battery power. power is connected but he does not see it. what is recommended to do?

 

Shutdown the laptop and reconnect the power adapter and see it is fixed

 

Another outlet perhaps too.