*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

Im trying to decide between the np8180 and the np7282. Suggestions?

Edit: Powernotebooks.com hooked it up with a great price so I pulled the trigger.

 

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You have 3 memory slots, so until 12GB or 16GB memory pieces become available, 3x 8GB is the maximum you can have.

 

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What do you do with it that would require more than 24GB?

 

maximum style of life ^^ (=

 

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I really don't think you need 24G of Ram. Like you I have the 7280 with 990x, 485m GTX SLI cards and 12G of ram. I use Autocad civil 3d on a daily basis for work. I can run 4 drawings at once and even play skyrim at the same time and I don't even come close to maxing out the ram. The company I used to work for had 5 year old Dells, 4G of ram with a quadro and had no problems rendering drawings.

I think a SSD would be the better option to speed up load times on cad applications. Right now it takes a good 7-10 seconds on my standard hard disk to load Civil 3d for the first time everyday. I might get a SSD in the future but I am too lazy right now to reinstall the OS again and all of my programs.

 

Well, about 2 weeks ago after some thought, I reconfigured my raid to:

c: SSD - Boot Drive
d: Raid1 WD Scorpio 750GB + a fourth drive as a unused hot spare

I am happy to report that auto rebuild on the hot spare works GREAT !!

Last night I lost one of my raid drives and the system rebuilt the raid1 on the spare....

Now if this just supported hot swap (yea I know I am dreaming)

NO down time, rebuilt automatically without any intervention by me....
will be RMA'a the drive after the new year.

 

if you use a program like acronis you can make clone your drive then just swap
i did it on a friends drive when he went from hdd to ssd just put the ssd in one of the other slots run the clone then just swap out the c: for the new made clone reboot done no reinstalling and if you can then keep the old hdd as a backup

 

It's not recommended to clone from HDD to SSD because Windows may not automatically enable/disable SSD related settings (TRIM, Disk Defrag, Prefetch, Readyboost, etc).

To get the best performance and longevity, you should always do a fresh install on a new SSD.

hard drive - Free way to clone HDD to SSD? - Super User
Windows 7 and Optimization for Solid State Drives

 

Agree. Always, always, do a fresh install on a SSD. If you do not you will see the performance diminish...
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ok thanks good to know
my friend did a lot of changes like the defrag disable and all that since im not use to that but i have the program for the clonening

 

I disagree, and disabling prefetch /superfetch is a bad idea, depending on your setup. prefetch/superfetch should NOT be disabled if most of your programs are on a disk other than your SSD, because those functions help things other than boot load faster. The reccomendations in that Toms Hardware article assume the SSD is your ony drive for booting and contains all your program files.

You will also hear that you should NOT have your page file on your SSD, again, that is not true. Your SSD is the perfect place for a page file, see this article: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx

You will also hear a lot about how to reduce the writes to your SSD, because of shortening lifespan. While yes, each memory cell only has a limited ammounts of writes, second and third gen SSD's use wear leveling to minimise this, also second and third gen SSD's will probably surpass 5 years before your memory cells reach their write limit.

Cloning to a SSD has no detrimental effects at all, my SSD has suffered no detrimental effects, and I have seen no supporting evidence to the contrary. Yea, I know lots ok places SAY that, but have presented no evidence.

If youre going to clone, use Macrium Reflect, they have a free version.

 

Good advice. It's why ALL applications are on my SSD, and data physically exists (even junctioned directories from the SSD) to the RAID mirror.

 

Hello all,

I just got my Clevo x7200 and I upgraded the Ram to 24gb of the CT102464BF160B 8GB, 204-pin SODIMM from Crucial websight. I also called sager and updated my BIOS to there new on which is 728BV13.ISO Thats how I got the 8gb chips to show 24gb in windows 7 Pro edition. I thought I let everyone know. I read all the post so I decided to get me the x7200 and I love it. I does everything I want it to do when I am away from my main gaming machine which has the I7-980x with 6 512gb ssd on raid 0 and 4 gtx580 everything is liquid cooled with the koolance external ERM radiators. I also use the 3rd person shooting vest and nvoint falcon on both the Main machine and the Clevo x7200 also use the complete x52 flight controller with piddles. I hope to post my scores on this sight once I get a benchmark software on the Clevo x7200.
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CLEVO X7200, i7-980X, THREE Crucial 512GB 512 GB M4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT512M4SSD2 (360404769329) RAID 0 , 24gb of CT102464BF160B 8GB, 204-pin SODIMM, Dual GTX580M, DUAL 300W POWER SUPPLIES, AND Cooler Master Storm SF 19 17" Laptop Cooler with USB 3.0

 

I have a HUGE PROBLEM. Ok so 2 days ago I get my Sager NP7280, and it works fine, etc. Then I wake up this morning and I hear some weird noise as I plug my 300W supply adaptor into the back of the laptop. This was while i was turning it on, and then it turned off..... and on.... and off... over and over and over. I called SAGER literally 100 times or more, and no one has picked up. Even sent RMA's (many) for tech requests and even one return request in my anger.

DO NOT GET THIS LAPTOP. SAGER HAS HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

ON ANOTHER NOTE, CAN ANYONE HELP ME.

 

Sure, we can help.

FIRST...look at your calendar. Today is a National Holiday. If you bought it from Sager you shouldn't expect to get support on weekends or Holidays.

SECOND...be prepared for numerous replies in this forum in response to your statement that Sager has horrible customer service just because no one was there on a National Holiday.

THIRD...if you didn't buy it from Sager, then call your vendor's Lifetime 24/7 Toll Free Telephone Customer Support ... assuming you bought it from a vendor that provides this service.

FOURTH...if you didn't buy from a vendor that provides Lifetime 24/7 Toll Free Telephone Customer Support, just make that a lesson learned for next time...chill out...and call Sager tomorrow when they are open.

 

It does not matter. This should not happen when purchasing a 2k plus laptop now should it? Especially on the 3rd day of using it?

 

It is unusual that is for sure.

But it can happen regardless of what brand or model you bought, or how much you paid for it. It happens...

Calling over 100 times, and sending in multiple RMA requests is not helping anything, and will cause Sager to have to wade through all of your messages on Tuesday, after a 3 day weekend, in their effort to help you, and their other customers.

Please, get a grip and try to control your emotions so that they better represent a reasonable adult.

 

Was the PSU plugged in while you were plugging it into the powered on laptop? If so, you may want to refrain from doing that. And it doesn't matter if you've had the laptop for three days, three months or three years with something like this. My advice is to never, ever, never, ever, ever plug in any power adapter into a laptop if it is drawing power from the wall as you can short out the battery, power adapter or cause other power surge issues. The power adapter can get juice AFTER it has been connected to the laptop.

In regards to your yelling / ranting, have you tried removing the battery (while not hooked up to the adapter, and holding the power button down for about 10 seconds) and then starting the laptop just with the power adapter (hooking it up to the adapter first - wall outlet second) to see if the battery was shorted out or is causing a problem. It may not solve the problem, but then again, who knows.

Otherwise, as paladin44 mentioned, the US offices are closed today. Since this is a Sager machine, if you purchase from a reseller, call them first. If not, and you ordered directly from Sager, call them tomorrow - just remember they're on Pacific Standard Time, so call accordingly.

 

Does removing the battery not void the warranty? Also it seems there is no easy access to the battery. How do I take it out? I looked around the laptop but I dont know.

The adaptor (PSU I am assuming) was not pluggged to the wall, when I put it into the powering up sager laptop.

 

No, removing the battery does not void the warranty. Batteries can be swapped out any time you need to.

I would strongly recommend that you thoroughly read your manual before you continue.

 

As mentioned the battery is designed to come out for the user. See pictue below.




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So I did just that, and no avail.......

 

If the adapter was not plugged into the wall, then that would not have been your problem, as I plug my adapter in/out while powered on all the time (again, while not having power from a wall outlet.)

What does your system do? Same symptoms as before (on and then off, on and then off). Do you get anything on the laptop's screen? What does it say? If you go over Ch 8 in the user's manual, is there any symptom there that describes what you are seeing?

 

The screen is black, and it does not turn on... it just goes through cycles of turning off and on and the led lights for the battery and notebook go green and orange. I cannot use the screen

 

If it will not POST (a Power On Self-Test -> the screen / messages when you first boot), then I'm not certain how to help. If the battery is not in the system, it might just be as simple as a bad power adapter. Unfortunately, I do not possess the know-how how to trouble shoot a bad power adapter. You didn't happen to buy two of them did you?

 

No... it would be me to have such bad luck especially with school starting up in a week or so and I need a laptop.

 

Hopefully Sager or the reseller can resolve the issue promptly.

 

So did you get your machine from Sager directly and not a reseller?

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there is some one here that have had this problem before cant remmeber what post and i cant remmember how he fixed it so search thru here
becouse im 100% that i have heard about this before .
Have you tried this disc all power take out battery hold power buttton 10 sec then remove bios battery keep it out for lets say 1 min just to be safe re insert the bios battery connect external power then plugg it in to the wall try start
i was getting boot loops wile Overclocking after running XTU
and my bby was working perfect until i turnd it of for the night then in the morning same prob as you

 

Hate to say it, but **it happens. I have a $30k+ vehicle, that had transmission problems the 1st week, and went back to the dealership to repair.....

Things happen, things get sold that have issues, nothing personal against you, but nothing is 100% perfect. Yea I know youre gonna scream, "dident anyone QA it...". I am sure it was looked at before it was sold, but again, **it happens.

If you bought it from a reseller, youre first call should be to them, not Sager. If you bought directly from Sager, you need to call them when they open (its kinda a Holiday here in the US now).

If you did buy from a reseller, I am sure they will do everything in their power to get you goin ASAP, its in their best interest to do that. JUst the fact that most ofthe reselers maintain a presence here on the forums says loads about their customer service, that they WANT to maintain good customer relations.

A reseller can also expedite the repair process if needed and act as your advocate, hate to say it, but to Sager, youre a customer number, but to a smaller reseller, youre a name and a person. Thats just kinda how it works. I know every time I have had to call my reseller with a question or issue (I had a long steak of issues with Raid5 + a certian type of disk, wasnt comp isue, but disks) they were more than respomnsive to help, and I am sure all the resellers here have that same buisness attitude.

As for "Sager support sucks", I guess I have had the opposite, every time I have called them I have got right to a tech, when I had technical questions....so.....whatever.

Best of luck to you, really, this is a GREAT machiene, seriousely, and I am a REALLY picky sob when it comes to computers.

 

Finally i get to be amongst you Clevo owners! I just pressed the purchase button on this monster:

x7200 (~ USD 4300)

+ AUO B173HW01 V4 blank screen, 90% NTSC
+ I7 990X 3,46-3,73 GHz 12MB - 6 core
+ 12 GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 MHz (3x4 GB)
+ 2 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M, 1.5 GB, GDDR5, DX11
+ DVD-burner
+ Intel Centrino Ultimate 6300
+ IC Diamond 7 - cpu & gpu cooling paste
+ Intel 120GB 510 Series Intern SATA 2.5"
+ SEAGATE Momentus XT 7200.1 500GB HDD

I've been wandering on and off on this setup or the M18x Alienware but when i found out the color gamut % on AW was max 72% i couldn't do it. The price would have landed on the same tag almost.

Hopefully i will have this home in 2 weeks or such and will be one active happy user!

 

Looks good, but that is a lot of CPU muscle with not a lot of GPU muscle. Are you using mainly CPU intensive applications? If so, have you considered the P270WM? It's not yet released, but it will be soon. If you can wait, maybe you should consider it.

 

if you are a gamer i would take GPUs with minimum 2gb Vram
since the mems dont dubble up even tho you are dubbling the cards 1.5 is always 1.5 even if you have two cards with 1.5
like bf3 can use 1.5 gb vram when run at high or ultra that meens you would max your self out and could get lag

 

Yeah was it that noticeable that i wasn't a gamer =) Like you guessed i work mainly with cpu and memory intensive applications. I'm currently studying visual effects for movies and commercials. I don't do 3d or cad work but instead im a compositing artist where we put together 3d models with live footage. This is why i haven't put anything into the gpu since memory and cpu is the nr 1 load.

I haven't seen the P270WM, thanks for enlightening me on this one, though it might take some time for us to get it in Sweden, since we only have two Clevo "retailers". Though it sounds nice with a x79 mobo with the new cpus. I'm gonna send away a email to our retailers here to see if its something they plan on getting.

Cheers mate for the notice but as stated above, this laptop is not for gaming =) Only games i play still is Quake 3 =) and then Diablo 3 when it decides to come out =)

 

I'm loving that more and more people are posting their uses for the x7200 as a mobile computing powerhouse platform!!

 

Hehe well i have some strange needs to be "portable" where i dont really need to use the battery since almost always there is a power source. Else i think i would have gone with the new lenovo w520 thats pretty portable power package. Though i've decided now to wait for the new Clevo laptop and really looking forward to see how the x79 chipset will work on the slappytops

 

Heh, I know personally 4 people from my work that have or are buying this thing, and they are not gamers primarially either, two of them are developers and want the ability to compile code REALLY fast and be mobile.

We did some test runs with mine, multiple VM's of linux compiling multiple projects, and that sold them on the system.

 

Tell me 'bout it. This thing runs circles around the official "build machine" at work. Although it is not exactly a fair test as the build machine is about 18 months older w/ out SSDs. Regardless, compilation / unit tests run in about 1/4 the time.

 

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This seems to be the place to post for this. I am in the market for a gaming laptop. I will not be using it on the move to much so I will always have power close by. It is basically a desktop I can take with me if I have to go someplace and also back up my desktop when something happens.
Anyway I need to know, as a gamer should I go with a 17-980 and 2 HD6990M cards in crossfire, or bite the bullet and go with the 580's. I think that the AMD cards will do what I need (I have geforece 570 sli in my desktop) but I wanted to know what other thought who own these. Also will be putting 12 GB 1066-1333 memory, a 120 SSD, 750 GB 7200 HD and blue ray player.

any imput would be appreciated before I do this. Will probably get this at PNB as they seem to be the best price.

Thanks

 

The biggest difference between the 6990M and 580M is the price. Most people do not believe the performance difference is worth the price, but others who prefer nVIDIA over AMD are willing to pay the price.

The rest of your configuration is quite sound.

I would hope you would consider us for our superior customer service as well as price

 

I hope it is not considered a dirty word here, but the Alienware M18x offers both the 6990m CF and GTX 580m SLI only $100 apart.....so that may be a better option depending on the configuration you want.

edit: today they are only $50 apart!

 

i would recommend the 980 with nivida great for gaming or any of the cpu's
in the np 7280 12gb ram and a ssd it realy rock's wile gaming im geting with high setting in BF3 i get low 75 to 130 fps with no OC with low OC low 90 to 140 fps

 

Do you have any games you will immediately be playing? If so, check around to see which adapter/drivers work better. For example Tirenz on this thread had the ATI 6970s (I think) and was encountering BSODs during a certain game. He ended up switching to the NVIDIA cards in his NP7280, and the problem went away. He never said what caused it, but my guess it was something in the drivers.

I'm not not some AMD or NVIDIA fanboy, so go w/ what you think is best. But doing a little research of what and how you would be using the graphics system wouldn't hurt.

 

I have had very good results with my nvidia cards in the past, I play Skyrim and SWTOR and will be getting ME3 and Diablo3 whenever it comes out. Have had alienware before but when I was chatting with the sales guy I found that he was in India and thatw as a real turn off for me. These days you have to pay them extra for US based repair support (I know the reason but i dont like that they charge extra, just add to to the overall computer price if you have to do it) so I choose not to buy from them.

Would it be ok for the games I listed to just have a single 580 card instead of the 2 AMD in crossfire? I realize this would be less power, but alot of thes FPS numbers are overkill anyway. If I go with a single card i have extra money for a larger SSD