*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

Sorry, only having the need a single NVIDIA GTX 460M, I couldn't tell you what kind of horsepower each kind could delivery. Perhaps other may chime in.

 

Check out the links below for comparisons between a single 580 and crossfire 6970's and 6990's. For most games, the 580m should do just fine though.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
AMD Radeon HD 6970M Crossfire - Notebookcheck.net Tech
AMD Radeon HD 6990M Crossfire - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Computer Games on Laptop Graphic Cards - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

sager is superior


check clock vga

 

check cpu clocks

 

Thanks for all the great replys.
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That's great, but what does that have to do w/ the NP2780 or x7200? (See thread title)

 

sooo ive gotta be honest have read lots of forums on latops and just info in general to be up to date on alot of different things and this is first site i actually registered for so kudos to all the useful info on this beast of a laptop i bought mine from ibuypower about a year ago went with the lower end quad 960.. just because user upgradeable but gotta be honest i shopped for 2 years before i pulled the trigger on a gaming laptop which is what i use it for plus like i said i do alot of research on processors graphics cards oc voltage all that jazz so this is going to be a pretty big post because i want all of you fellow clevo x7200/ sager 7280 users to be informed of certain things if found out from experience.........

First ibuypower great price for my build 2600 but sold my old laptop for 500 so 2100 not bad right ofcorse but their customer service blows sorry ibuypower yall do love the machine but i tried to find out about replacement parts hint hint user upgradable duuhhh and they were like no we cant help contact clevo wt* really i spent 2600 bucks with yall and no support on parts awesome thanks a bunch yours truly another customer lol so end of ibuypower story

second so i contacted the only clevo contract service in the usa via email which you can find on their website at clevo.com then contact us very helpful group actually really awesome help from them responded within the hour and heres when the interesting info came about the email stated to contact the seller tried that no go but then the second part stated to look at the serial number on the bottom of laptop so theres 2 1 ibuypower guess customer sn then a serial number that starts with 4 numbers then has the letters sc so it goes xxxxscxxxxxx and if your serial number has an sc after first 4 numbers hey guess wat it was a sager notebook and sager can get you replacement parts yayyyyy!!!!!!!!! so with all of this said like i said earlier long post bare with me if you guys think like me and have a full on portable desktop replacement that can be upgraded y would i get rid of this rig exactly so i started thinking what if 2 years down the line one of the four fans go out how hard would it be to find those fans hmmm ( been selling electronics for 7 years) it would probably be dam hard i would think because of how fast everything advances so the gaming rig i have has 2 gpu fans a cpu fan and system fan holy crap wat if a couple go out becuase if this thing over heats jezzzz so i call sager get a guy name ty awesome guy would recommend him to anyone chat for a bit tell him my sob story booohoo well he gets my serial number and hey it was a sager notebook awesome pulls up all my specs and says yeah we can get all four fans for ya at 25 bucks a piece im like awesome with shipping its like 118.88 or something so since im keeping this bad boy for a while i want some back up parts just in case later on something breaks...hey small price for way less head aces later on down the line again long post just to inform you guys even though yall sound pretty informed lol

third when i ordered mine i had only got 6 gb of ram should of got 12 so i wouldnt have to mess with it lol ohwell but i found a really awesome price on 4gb 1600mhz kits for samsung 30nm low volatge ram off amazon for 56 bucks for a kit of 2x4gb then a 1x4gb stick for 29 so id you want to take advantage of the triple channel setup and dont want 24gb which who really needs that much if your gaming this was the best setup and price for 4gb sticks which samsung is i think good brand and from what ive read triple channel only works if all three ram sticks are exactly the same chip set??

lastly fourth i put 2 gtx 460sli 1.5gb cards in for 2 reason sli 580 were out of my price range and that nvidia is about to release the 28nm series from what ive read starting in q1 2012?? dnt quote me not sure if its q1 but at any rate i can pretty much run all my games at 60 fps which anything above would be me benching then ocing everything which i typically dont like to do but im a heavy gamer 40+ games on my rig the only games i have to turn down a bit are crysis series but all i do is turn down shaders and physics which i really dont care for much and game runs smooth all the way through at 60 fps again which ive learned that to do this properly without ur graphics card throttling down vsync is to turn vsync on in cp and have triple buffering on and i know ill get some hits for saying this but i read this 4 page article on what triple buffering and vsync do and if you have vsync enabled without triple buffering on if for what ever reason your games is reading any where from 37.5 to 59 fps then vsync will auto down to 30fps but with triple buffering enabled the fps variation is taken into affect and doesnt what i call it throttle down your refresh so with all this said this is my very first post so i wanted to throw out some info i gathered over past 6 months of research please feel free to post back any info would be appreciated

 

and for miller41 just read your post about the cards id go with dual 580 just because youll already have the sli cable if later down the line you ever want to add a second card and the second gpu fan will be there too otherwise you have to buy all that seperate which can cost around 80-90 bucks with shipping and if you read up on ssd the load times are great but longevity of the drives i do not like..

 

oh woops lol just read that last post good rig

 

m8 dont stress about the second fan and heat zink you will get every thing with the new card it comes in a bundel card heat zink fan have a look at this post
http://forum.notebookreview.com/7608689-post127.html

 

wow thats awesome thanx for link

 

Because when I first posted this was the computer I was going to buy

 

If there's someone having trouble with BSOD while installing AMD drivers, try to use 12.1 preview driver, it's the most up to date driver and it worked just fine with me. Greatings

AMD Catalyst? 12.1 Preview driver

 

I am wondering when the next nvidia will come out...been a while.....

 

Anyone useing these yet: Newegg.com - Seagate Momentus XT ST750LX003 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 2.5" SATA 6.0Gb/s Solid State Hybrid Drive -Bare Drive

Opinions ?

 

No, haven't used them yet. But others have and they they do look pretty nice. (Note, there is supposedly a summer [FW] update which will let you WRITE to the SSD portion as well as read.)

Here's some reading for you - http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...eagate-momentus-xt-750gb-w-8gb-nand-more.html

 

Yea they do look nice, except the price......unfortunately with my current disk setup, I would need to buy at least 3 because I would use it in my raid1 + spare, I just dont think I want to drop $600+ dollars to "test" them.

 

New video cards should start rolling in the April/May/June time frame with the higher end cards coming out later in that period.

 

We're starting to see new Nvidia 600 series on the market, but lower end GT 610-630, as Donald said the higher end ones will be later.

 

These have been shipping in this model as well as the other Sager models for a few weeks now.

Yes comon folks please chime in on what you think about these new Seagate's!
_

 

I was refering to new drivers....

 

I am really tempted to try them, I just cant justify the $$ right now to pick up 3.

 

Sager is using a desktop CPU, needs two psu and it still lost in the pic you linked. Oh yeah the clevo machine also had newer drivers. So how again is clevo the winner?

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yeah, I'm confused too, hehe.

 

a) There's no mention of how many PSUs are involved, but then again, 200 PSUs linked up together haven't changed too many benches I've seen.

b) The AW CPU is running at 4.83GHz and the x7200 is running 4.1GHz.

c) the x7200 was running at 800MHz and the AW was running at 870MHz.

I think due to the OC'ing is why pauloimp stated, "check clock vga" Faster clock would give better bench. What else would one expect?

To be honest the ~10% increase in GPU clock also produces around 10% increase in scores - but not across the board. Not sure if that is what pauloimp is getting at or not.

 

My point was the X7200 NEEDS TWO HUGE PSUs just to pull that off! What a joke! And are you seriously counting the CPU speed? Dude the x7200 is using a desktop CPU with 2 more cores and still losing to a mobile CPU. The Clevo also had newer drivers vs the AW system. BTW, I'd be willing to bet that if you take a maxed out Clevo vs max M18x, AW will win in most games and benchmarks (apart from the few rendering apps).

 

See a)

And like I said, I'm confused since the AW is clearly winning and while the statement was totally opposite. If it was hypothetical, what would happen if the 990X was OC'ed to the same level, same for the GPU's, etc, then all you have to do is achieve that OC' level and make a run. If you can keep that beast at those clocks and score more - kudos to you and your claim becomes valid. Until then, it's the M18x.

 

Yeah exactly, unless they can provide benchmarks showing the X7200 whipping the M18x, how can they claim its faster/superior? The logic (or lack thereof) is mind boggling. Its even worse when you take into account that the X7200 needs a desktop CPU + two PSUs to keep up with the M18x. In fact, how do single GPU Clevo owners claim superior performance vs an equivalent AW like M17x-R3? I haven't seen anything to back up those claims, just a bunch of wishful thinking.

 

We have seen 20k GPU vantage score for the M17x R3 and even M15x (both single GPU systems) as well 33K+ for the M18x, so there's clearly a strong lead from the AW benching community. C'mon guys, start benching, so instead of claiming things we might actually see things

 

Clevo has awesome cooling, even better than AW but what good is that when Clevo locks down its bios? At least AW gives the option to OC in its bios and with users cracking Insyde, its gotten even better. I'd say since the release of the 580M SLi for M18x back in August and even 6990s before that, Clevo was relegated to 2nd place.

 

Hummm, along with check the score.

See above.

You just basically said an Alienware is better without not even knowing it.
1: CPU over clocks higher
2: GPU over clocks higher
3: The cooling held the over clock at lets say...700 mhz "CPU" & "70 mhz core / 260 mhz mem" higher than yours.
4: More fps pretty much means...More efficient.


I should not have to slow down for you to keep up..
Oh yeah, I have owned 2 top of the line Clevo's as well, so I fully know and understand their no extreme over clocking policy. It's only taken them 4 years to slowly start allowing the user more control. We shall see when the refresh hits stores this year....If they opened this further...

Ps: Nice scores. What did you get for Vantage?

 

33k with or with out phyxs

 

yes i saw 33k gpu thats without physx but...........single gpu scores 20k gpu
wheres the screenshot? or cpu/gpu clocks?

 

No, I'm not. This was not the point of my post, and I'm not defending it. Perhaps pauloimp was shouting, "I'm king of the world" in regards to gaming on the x7200, but I'm not.

In regards to the PSUs they mean nothing. I don't need them. You were the one that brought that up. Besides, these particular benches being talked about mean nothing. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's *ss what some 3DMark or any other gaming bench would be.

That's entertainment, and to me this beastie is not used for entertaining. What matters to me is TOTAL drive space and CPU cores. Ability to hold 24GB of RAM, default capacity of 3 drive bays w/ option to get 4TB of drive space if needed. capacity for hex core CPUs. That's what matters here; not some 2 bay, mobile CPU machine w/ 16GB of RAM chassis. The x7200 outperforms any mobile CPU based on compilation and number of virtual machines I use in a day's work.

About the only real complaint I would have was the same as 5150joker and johnksss. Clevo, in case this gets back to you, unlock some of the OC'ing features in the BIOS so we don't need to bother someone like kizwan to unlock them for us.

 

Yes, 33K without Physx (580MSLI), over 30K GPU ONLY score for 6990MCF and here you go, 20K for the M17xR3 (single 580M).

 

True about PSU's and BIOS. Not convinced regarding extra cores. Same way as the entry level quad of the previous gen falls behind the new dual core even in multithreaded apps. In this case the mobile [email protected] is pretty much on par with the 990X in everything that can take advantage of the extra cores and as soon as you switch to 4 cores or less - no contest. And for the record, the M18x can have up to 32GB RAM. But we are not here to compare the features and options. To each their own.

The real question - is it even possible for the X7200 to be able to sustain a serious CPU OC'. OC'ing the 990X past 4GHz dramatically increases the heat and that might be the main reason for locking the BIOS.

 

Wait. I thought we were talking about the M17x R3. Didn't bother to check the M18x, but that's good to know.

Dunno 'nuff about OC'ing to try. I think DGDXGDG, Kolich, or Torment may be better equipped to answer how far they've pushed their systems. W/ full fans (Fn+1), I wonder how far the i7-990x can be pushed inside the x7200. Or even lawtq who is (was) running a full blown Xeon - wonder how far he's pushed the envelope. Perhaps they can opine.

 

So I think for now its safe to conclude that AW builds the fastest single GPU and multi GPU systems on the planet. M18x > X7200 and M17x-R3 > single GPU Clevos. Hopefully these posts spur the Clevo community to get in on the action a little.

 

Possibly, but even if it is... for how long??? Will the p270WM leapfrog? We shall find out soon.

 

Clevo has been behind Alienware and asus...No leap frogging yet..
(In other words....They started behind Asus and when they over took Asus, Alienware over took them)

dgdxgdg:
No one has a 20k Single gpu score. Only over all 20k Plus...Even I was able to get an 18.3k GPU score as well.

 

when I'm not over I only use a PSU
I think it is more efficient to use lower clock have the same effect on games.
BF3 played for about 6 hours without even having high temperatures.
The alienware is an excellent machine no doubt but the clevo is more efficient.
I will redo the tests using the same gpu clock to see if it wins in frames.

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but....Im willing to bet you wont come remotely close.

 

Yet. That is the key word, isn't it. Now if they can just get the p270wm out the door. Question is, if the mobo supports IVB, then how fare is that comparison?

 

Getting it out the door was never Clevo's down fall. Over clocking was.

 

Not sure how this would be classified as a downfall as there are work arounds to unlocking the BIOS... TBH, I don't know what is available in the unlocked BIOS, but then again, OC'ing this for gaming/benches is not my bag.

 

i cant say realy since im running the 485m i cant say much on the gpu front but i think i could hit 33k + with the 580m
CPU its not the heat i have a prob with i have the prob that i cant bump the Bclk Multiple and have to play with the Bclk Mhz insted
if i could bump the Multripel then i could run prob run 4.2 ghz as a ordenary Oc and 4.5+as a Benchmarking oc

 

sorry was slow whit my post mised out on some of your discusion

 

And this is where the confusion starts....
Just about every one on here wants to over clock something. And when they see others able to do it, then they expect the same on theirs.(Even if they don't use it)

The unlocked bios for the M18x is about 95 percent on target with a regular desktop bios. (The other 5 percent is... you have voltage caps and other voltages missing to make it stable.)

If overclocker's were able to push Clevo's out there more...Then allot more mainstream folks might consider them for even every day regular use. But with that 45 minute battery life on dual gpu setups....Pretty much kills that theory... Not bashing, just stating the some of the facts...

 

Well guys did with the intention of offending will enjoy our wonderful machines for both are very fast and fulfill the roles and needs of each one.
Use to work with my adobe/cinema4d and tb in my spare time I like games.

 

Just about... but not everyone (like myself).