*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

When I say something...an example of that would be...lets say...
Raid 0 for starters. This is not the standard form but a form none the less...
(Im guessing here, but you probably did the tweaks and all for the raid setup? If not, disregard.. )

 

Do you mean setting up the Fake RAID w/ in BIOS or something else? For setting up the volume w/ in Intel's ICH10 BIOS, yes, I did that.

 

I think many owners of this model are NOT Extreme Overclockers.

When the x7200-7280 came out September 2010 there was a few that did some serious benches and such.

Hardly anyone who has posted in the last several months has done so. Of course on the Alienware site this is a daily thing.

Maybe with the new Sandy Bridge E successor this will change.

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The x7200 was released Sept. 2010 (making it 15+ months old). How old is the M18X?

If the M18X is fairly new (~6 mos), that would explain why so much traffic. After 15 mos of release for the x7200, my guess is the OC'ers (like Speedy for instance) have moved on to other things.

 

That's just Hemi, "most" are not "extreme"..But if you take a look through just this tread alone.. Most of the people want to TRY their hand at over clocking. And if they can't, then in the end you "accept" what you have as is.

Then over time, benching takes a back seat to everyday life. . Which is now the case.

But if you were given a Bugatti..Im pretty sure you would give it a few potential extreme runs for sport!....Oooops, you have already. A few times..

And that's why the extreme is at a min in here, but we shall see when the next gen hits.
Sort of like sandy bridge on the desktop. Over clocking went up about 500 percent. Why? because everyone could do it and you didn't need any extreme anything to do it.

Humm, it was quite a different story when this machine was top dog. It's had it's time just like any other product....So let that go already....
When the next gen hits..the M18x will have had it's time in the sun as well....

Fake raid? What is that?
My raid 0 is in the 850mb to 1190 mb range (depending on testing)(actual file moving 1000mb) Not sure how it's fake and all..Please inform me.

 

What are you talking about? Find some post of mine where this was a different story. TBH, I didn't even know the m18X even existed, so no comparisons there. Or are you addressing other posters?

What do you want me to get go of? OC'ing? 3DMark benches? You seem to be the one forcing that comparison. To me it really doesn't apply as that was not my reason for buying the x7200.

In regards to the "next gen" hitting, yes, I keep saying it... Clevo's P270WM. However, my guess is we won't know what it can do until April.

 

Only talking about your 2010 comment. Nothing else my friend. No need to get all defensive.

 

Nothing to get defensive about. Just trying to understand what you're saying or coming from. May be a West Coast - Midwest thingy.

In regards to "Fake Raid" - RAID - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Fake RAID to me means RAID w/ out a real RAID H/W adapter. I'd much rather a laptop vendor figure out how to fit a Promise RAID adapter, but the fake raid suffices - as there are not too many people running RAID 1+0 on their laptops.

Finally, in regards to throughput, sorry, not using RAID-0, but rather RAID-1 for minimum downtime purposes. And x7200 is a SATA II machine, so I won't be going to SATA III speeds anytime soon.

 

When I had mine(d901c)..I ran raid 0 + 3rd drive for backup and software programs. The raid never failed. This wouldn't help you out?

 

Nah. While still very small, RAID-0 doubles the chance of extreme catastrophe vs. the single drive. Not worth the extra worry, especially when working with client data. The single SSD is fast enough (boot ~12-13 seconds), and extremely important data sits on the mirror.

Although, it would be interesting to see what a 4 drive RAID-0 would achieve in throughput. How close could it get to your two disk SATA III throughput. If anyone wants to send me 4 SSDs, I'd be more than willing to try.

 

Take a look at this article:

Benchmark Results: I/O Performance : SSDs In RAID: A Performance Scaling Analysis

The more drives the better! With the low power consumption and the lifespan of SSD, I wouldn't doubt it if you see more servers switch to SSD RAID. High output cost, but over it's lifespan the savings can really add up. Especially with the cooling costs of massive Platter Arrays.

 

Don't forget that most SSDs are still plagued with stability and reliability issues. The perspective is interesting though.

 

Mirrors are nice, as long as they dont replicate errors that one can't recover from. Seen that on a few systems I was sent to repair. Nice if the drive actually fails though. . Saved a few customers there as well.

yeah, all did that and I quickly went back and took all 22 plus ssds out of server configs and replaced them with raid 0 with 3 drives each. That was an ssd disaster!!!!!!!!! with first gen vertex drives *a serious face palm* there!

 

BTW, before anyone says anything about RAID-0 and TRIM, yes, I know the RST drivers do not support TRIM over RAID-0. And that RAID-0 over SSD comes with some baggage.

I was merely interested to see how much throughput a 4 drive SSD RAID-0 could obtain on the x7200. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

just gpuz 0.5.8 read asic and get 69/71%
whats dell 580m %? seems like dell one is better but how much......

 

LOL
You are like me!
In your setup, you would be about even with me. (reference only) And provided all ports are true sata 2's.

What do you mean? I'll check mine for you. Where is that at?

 

open gpuz 0.5.8>>right click on top>>read asic quality

msi gtx570m avarage 90% up, why my 580m 70%+-

 

I get 76.9%.
And these GPU's i have now are junk.

 

Mine is 78.3%. However, I would not put my full trust in this and what this says about your card (s) ...


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Wish this was out when i had my other set of 580m's. Wonder what they were hitting for....

 

Not sure how you relate OC'ing to everyday use, seems more poeple use systems for "everyday use" than OC, but I will bit.

I use my system daily, its both a work and my game system, and I could care less about OC'ing.

 

Nor me......

 

Probably because we dont feel the need to OC and AW is makeing up for something lacking ? LIke takeing a "male enhancement pill" because its not good enough naturally And yea, I also own a M17-R2 so I can talk that crap (which BTW I never OC'd)

 

First of all, your sig clearly shows you are/were benching. Now, when benching and having the most expensive desktop CPU in your laptop which is imprisoned in a cage (BIOS and cooling restrictions) and doomed to perform as a mainstream CPU, don't you find it ironic? Why bother paying 2x the price for something you will never be able to use even if you change your mind??

I'm not here to bash anyone, and neither John and Joker. Just curious to see how far the X7200 can be pushed, that's all. I'm sure, that if Clevo community on this forum starts investigating and pushing the limits, the vendor will be more willing to offer tools like unlocked BIOS, extra cooling, etc. Remember, it's not AW/Dell who offered OC'ing to enthusiasts, it's the enthusiasts here, constantly exploring the limits who forced AW to collaborate and offer the extra features.

 

You have made mention on several occasions that you were "scared" "paranoid" "it's your only machine" "your work machine" "you use it for vm's" etc etc etc. Your point is? Someone made a statement and it was addressed. That's it.

Oh yeah, I had 2 Clevo's so I can talk too.

No one is bashing your machine so give it a rest already.

Exactly. Get people getting all personal about stuff. really. Trying to twist the truth into their own truths. When that was not our intention.
And he he is posting benchmarks. *face palm* He shouldn't have any. Stock or not. Post some vm's or something.

 

Take a chill pill, I ran ONE suite of tests, BTW I never said I dident run Benchmark test, running a benchmark test is a FAR cry from OC'ing... I said I dident OC....seems YOURE takeing it personal. Is AW comming up short and needs "enhancement" ?

Learn to take a damm joke shesh.....

 

I Started out joking before all the bashing kicked of. So learn to see it as such..

Again, not here to bash anyone or anybody.... This always seems to happen when comparison are mentioned....Every single time.... Can't we just all get along?

 

Fair enough...its hard to read tone into written word.....no offence meant.

 

2x the price compared to what? Are we talking CPUs or laptops? If laptops, my x7200 was ~$750 *less* than a comparable AW (w/ crippled quad core, mobile CPU) at the time of purchase. If CPU, the i7-980x (again at the time) was ~$1000 upgrade (IIRC), but I cannot honestly say that it was 2x the price, as I think it was only 50% more than my i7-970 which was a modest upgrade (in terms of price) at best.

In regards to changing your mind, I don't know if ppl are as stuck as you lead them to believe. Now, I'm non-adventurous by nature, so I'm not using anything NOT provided by Clevo, and have stated that Clevo should change their position.

But if someone has no qualms about hacks, there is the kizwan mod'd BIOS (Torment, if you can link, pls do so), but I do not know what that unlocks in terms of OC'ing the x7200. So it is hard to say someone will *never* be able to use something if this BIOS does allow more overclock settings of the x7200.

 

I meant the CPU only price. Your choice is clear and seems to be totally reasonable to me. If I was to go the x7200 route, would end up getting the same CPU which is half the price of the 990X while offering similar performance.

As for OC'ing, hacking BIOS may not be the only prerequisite. You would also need better cooling.

 

Also, are you talking about stock cooling or something running w/ notebook coolers and fans at Max?

Also, why does Joker say

Is Joker wrong? Considering this was posted on the x7200 thread, I'm assuming it's in regards to the x7200.

 

Sorry dont have the link at hand right now but
i can say that the cooling when its stock is adequit for up to 4.2Ghz + running day to day games but if you Bump it higher might need some modds like schims and lapping but for short bursts of extreme high clocks like running a bench or two no modding should be needed and to be honest the unlockt sager bios gives you total control over every thing except the Bclk multiplier it even gives you control over stuff i cant even dream of what it do
to be honest the only thing that have bin bugging me is unlocked Bclk Multiplier CPU but no way to change the fing setting .

 

I use my note without over BF3 online game with all the stem without problems and with only one source.
I am fully satisfied.

 

Clevo cooling is better than AW, IMHO. But, here's the math:

AW M18x - 2-piped HS is capable of 70-80W efficient transfer while the stock 2960XM is about 55W, This leaves about 20W+ on overclocking. The X7200 has a HS capable of 130-140W transfer, but the stock 990X is already ~130W and for reference, @ 4.6ghz the 990x needs ~120W extra or 250W+ total which is far beyond the capabilities of stock cooling system, while the 2960XM can reach 4.6Ghz at 100W, only slightly above the limit of the HS.

These numbers don't say much, it's all on paper, and that's why I'm curious to see how far the x7200 can be pushed in reality.

 

So the problem is not the cooling system per se, but rather the thermal output of the CPU is too great. At least in theory. Correct? Also, my guess is those numbers are with no notebook cooler or anything else used to help cool off system internals. Interesting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe SNB/IVB desktop CPUs run a lot cooler than these Gulftown CPUs? If so, then the P270WM have a lot more room, in "TDP" if you will, for pushing the processor.

 

SB just has insane efficiency. You could run a 2920/2960xm all day at 4GHz and not get even close to worrying about temps. While performing better than a 4GHz nehalem (gulftown or Bloomfield). My chip takes about 85W to do 8 threads at 4GHz while staying well cooled in a laptop. Socket 1366 cpus just suck to much power down to make this a reality.

 

Here you go. look at the load power consumption of the 990X vs 3960X. while the idle TDP of the 3960x is lower, the load is even higher than that of the 990X. And here is the OC'ed power consumption. Bottom line, unless Clevo offers a better cooling for the P270WM, we will see the same problem with OC'ing.

 

Let there be known that discussion on running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware is prohibited.

Some of you should know better!

 

You're right! Thanks for the clean up Brother Katalin.

 

I have a quick question regarding throttling. Once i installed the Nvidia 290.53 beta drivers (i am a skyrim player) on my x7200 with 485m SLI, i noticed much worse performance, and looked over at my GPU panels and found they were running at 51Mhz, instead of the standard 575... I then retried the old 290.36 drivers and other older ones, including the 285 non-beta driver but none seemed to stop the throttling issue. This is happening at idle, with temps literally around 30. I was told to sweep all driver software off my system, which I did and install fresh, which I did. low and behold throttling is still occuring. I don't have a system restore point either for some reason. If anyone has encountered this please let me know your experience. much appreciated.

 

If the throttling occurs in Skyrim only, I'd recommend browsing skyrim forums and look for tips there. The game is pretty buggy still and both AMD and Nvidia cards have issues with it.

If the throttling is present in all games, I'd try reflashing the vBIOS for the cards (provided you did a clean install and all Clevo recommended drivers are no go).

 

jclausius what happend to u?

cooling is not a problem, i tried land the desktop tower cooler on x7200 (upside down with bottom open) and fits good, if get some hs stick on the inductor/mosfet then no problem......
but the problem is x7200s motherboard, its 5? 6? phase cpu power circuit's max ampere allowed is too little compare to desktop board, even some matx mobo is higher
jumping wire from vga power to cpu curcuit might help increse cpu max ampere......but dont know how to, mxm power src pin voltage is variable
m18x the same, it have 5 phase?, if land a desktop cooler on it.......5.5g stable?

 

Huh, I thought the X7200 board wasn't crippled in terms of CPU amperage. the M18x doesn't have such limitation, at 4.5ghz I still have about 10x amps to add. But somewhere around 5ghz+ we run out of volts. John can provide more info, he pushed his beast past 5ghz.

 

As Brother Aiki has mentioned...We can go pretty high on amps. 1023 to be exact, but the system runs around 130 or so amps with max voltage at 1.5012

 

It has now been straightened out. Thanks for asking.

 

Thanks for the help Aikimox, i was able to restore the 290.36 beta drivers which work out. anyone else who has the 485 sli config having problems with performance with the 290.53 drivers per chance? can't find anyone with the same problem.

 

A bit off topic (, but don't worry, I'll still be here as I'm going to be using my x7200 for easily the next 12-15 months), but if anyone is interested in the x7200 successor - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-sager-np9270-clevo-p270wm-owners-lounge.html

 

having an issue any help would be awesome just installed 12 gb 1600 mhz on my x7200 windows shows all 12 but in bios only shows 8 gb used cpuz shows them in triple channel at 12gb as well?

 

If the operating system detects all 12gb, you are fine. As for the BIOS, are u running the latest version? Also, what RAM is it? HyperX?

 

Well, i've a question, it seems that i've a problem with my indicator lights (sound volume, mute on/off). They just stopped working. It has happened to me before, but i formatted my pc and they worked again. Now, 3 weeks later, they just stopped working again... Does someone knows what's going on? Thanks in advance...