*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

Yes, there is no reason for it to change

The physical slot is more than sufficient. Note that in the desktop space the change from PCIe 2 to PCIe 3 is not warranting a change of the physical slot......no reason for it too in the mobile space

 

thanks for the quick reply thats very awesome to hear considering all the sites that sell the x7200 say its user upgradeable

 

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The 580M was a bit more than an over clocked 485M. (Since that was the next gpu out after the 485M)

 

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What are you trying to achieve? You want to *limit* a process to a particular virtualized CPU?

Since modern OSs (Win 7, Linux and OSX) are all preemptive, multitasking operating systems, processing time slices are assigned round-robin to open resources (including CPUs). By limiting the number of resources (assigning a number of CPUs to a process), you could end up slowing down the entire process. Especially if that process is multi-threaded.

But, if you must, try creating batch files to launch whatever process you want using the "/AFFINITY" parameter - See http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...-assigned-to-a-specific-cpu-in-windows-vista/. Note, I think the article may be wrong in terms of "what" AFFINITY to use. It is a "hex numbered mask" where each bit represents a CPU:

0x1 (1) = CPU0
0x2 (2) = CPU1
0x4 (4)= CPU2
0x8 (8)= CPU3
0x10 (16)= CPU4
0x20 (32) = CPU5
0x40 (64) = CPU6
0x80 (128) = CPU7
0x100 (256) = CPU8
0x200 (512) = CPU9
0x400 (1024) = CPU10
0x800 (2048) = CPU11

So if you want to run on CPU 2, CPU 4, and CPU 10, Affinity would be 0x4 + 0x10 + 0x400 = "414" hexadecimal.

 

Windows 7 was optimized with Intel to be Hyperthreading "aware" so as to make optimal use of the hyperthreaded cores. No user intervention should be needed unless you have a specialized specific app you are planning to run....

 

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Easiest way is to test it yourself. I have played with locking single threaded benches (Super Pi and single thread wPrime) and did not see a tangible difference between locked to one core or windows managed. But that was only one instance at a time, more thorough tests could definitely be done by some one more motivated than me

 

When the OS causes a context switch all CPU registers and everything stored in L1 about the thread of execution are sent back to the L2 cache, and the incoming thread restores its register (L2 restored to L1) before executing.

I don't know enough internals to know if L1 is always restored once a thread of execution is assigned to a CPU (for example, if a thread is executing, is lifted when its time slice is up, and then restored to the same CPU core, it wouldn't need to go from L1 -> L2 and L2 -> L1), but assuming the architecture does so, setting the process to a single core wouldn't gain anything.

As scook9 mentioned, you could try some N number of long running processes (one assigned to a single core, and the others assigned to different cores) and see if times differ than if they ran on all CPUs.

 

Proccesslasso is what your looking for.... If you really want to get indepth with that.

 

What were the changes in this version of the BIOS?

 

Sager did not yet get the changes to me. What ever it was it was minor.

The new EC (firmware) in this release may lower your temps a few degrees like it did for wwoods...

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Please type a detailed log, if u can...

 

but its not realy sager that did the changes tho is it its normaly a clevo bios that have bin rebranded and added some stuff for OC and XTU other wise they would have bin able to answer my question when i asked the techs at sager about the fing CPU prob like paying 1k for a cpu with unlocked multiplier and getting the same posibilitys as a fing non extreme cpu sorry for my irritation but its starting to realy eat at me

 

I totally agree and understand your pain, bro! You know what the biggest problem is? It's the heatsink limit (~150W, i think). @4.5ghz your cpu would need a 220W+ HS - not gonna happen.

It's time to let Clevo know that we require a more serious attention to OC'ing potential of the flagship system.

 

Hi Everyone!

I was thinking does your USB 3.0 ports working at USB3.0 Speed? I had updated my Drivers and it doesn't seems to reach superspeed for mine.

Any advice?

 

Speed ​​USB 3.0 will not be fully achieved in our everyday environment.

 

Just in case anyone missed the link - according to mythlogic, it is only Sager who appears to know...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/416916-clevo-bios-thread-204.html#post8211027

 

Could be something that blocks the 28nm cards from booting up along with some tweaks.

 

Isn't the third fan blocked for better ventilation? However it feels much hotter compared to the other fan openings. Should I open it myself? If so, how?

 

The third fan is kept closed on purpose for better air circulation. We recommend keeping it blocked

 

This has been discussed in the past. The 9262, predecessor of the X7200 had the same design where one the fan mounting positions was blocked. It was determined that it was best to leave it that way.

 

yes, it increased "internal" air flow
it hav been well tested and decided to close :

3dmark06 loop, room temp 25c
row: open 285m / close 285m / close 480m

 

And one more...

See third paragraph "In regards to the closed Vent..." - http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...formation-thread-post8291837.html#post8291837

 

Do you guys actually see 50C+ on the HDDs?

 

true, i put 2 wd5000bekt together in middle caddy, now 45~48 but when summer idle 50~51c, if constant read/write will reach 60c

 

What?? That's crazy hot for the HDD! Did you try any mods like adding copper, drilling holes, etc? To me that temp would be totally unacceptable. My old ThinkPad used to get to 60C under load. After some modding it hovers @50C and I'm still very unhappy about it

 

For whatever the reason, I cannot see the C300's temp in HWInfo, but the dual Momentus XTs usually report 30-38C on my machine.

 

what's your room temp? also are you using a coolerpad?

 

It's a bit chilly today in the midwest (USA) - ambient is like 21.8C right now. I just noticed the temps went up a degree on one of the XTs to 39C. The other is holding at 35C. No cooler in play, just sitting on my desk.

TBH, I cannot remember which bay holds what drives, and cannot check anytime soon. I wonder if the elevated temp is the one under battery. I'll dig at this sometime in the next day or so.

 

strange thing is, if i swap one of bekt with x25e which is under battery, both bekt runs cool, never reach 50c
but that break the feeling, i like to put same things together

btw my x18m/x25m/x25e all no temp monitor too

 

Thanks for the response
Guess I would just stick with 2.0 speed for now.

 

Um....not sure what youre talking about, I use my USB 3.0 connected HD to do backups to and the speed is well within the specs....

 

I think what he means is there are no external drives on the consumer market that get to the top of USB 3.0 speeds. USB 3.0 tops out at 4.5Gb/s, if you're using a external drive you're probably getting around 70MB/s which equals .56Gb/s. Run an disk benchmark program on it to see your read/write times. The only way to get to the 4.5Gb/s max is to have one of the faster SSD's in an external enclosure. The 550MB/s models like OCZ Vertex 3 or Intel 520 series get close at 4.4Gb/s Doing that would be a crazy waste of money

 

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Been here and done that. the fastest it ever got was like 201 megs. And it held that for all of .1 second. Then average around 170 megs. Esata is still superior to usb 3.0. it kept a constant speed of 240+ megs and maxing at 265 megs.

 

I am already putting a budget together, what I could get for my current set up, how much I would have to make up for what I want etc.....

Not saying its gonna happen, but I want to to run a feasibility spreadheet to see...

 

I'd love to upgrade but the wife would kill me. She still thinks I spent under $2k for my 7280... if she only knew!

 

I ran the numbers yesterday. Although prices have changed on memory, drives, etc., the P270WM runs about $400 more than my x7200 at the time of purchase. I think my own budgetary hands are tied until Q4.

 

Yea, I am thinking the same thing here, just looked at mine and dont see it happening. To be honest, not that this is lacking in any real tangible way.

Something else to put on my dream list.

 

Unlocked Sager v13 BIOS is ready.

credits to Kizwan.

 

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Not sure what you mean by Engadget knowing nothing about who makes the P270WM. They're just reporting on a press release from Maingear. Perhaps after reading the rest of this post, it'll make more sense.


In regards to your Sager question, it would depend on your location. Note, someone please correct me if I'm incorrect, but this is my understanding -

We know Clevo is the actual manufacturer. However, they are located in Korea. So those lappies need to be dispersed throughout the world to reach customers, as Clevo is not an exporter. That means companies like Sager (North America and other regions) and Eurocom (I believe for Great Britain) are importers of Clevo products.

Sager (or any other importer for that matter) may sell barebones Clevos to other Builders - AVA Direct, RJTech, Mythlogic, and any other Builder I may have missed - which may also include Maingear. These Builders may rebrand a particular laptop to their own product line, and some may not. For example, I have an actual Clevo X7200 from AVA Direct, not an NP7280, Eurocom Panther, Maingear Titan, etc.

Sager ALSO holds some of their imported products back and brands them as Sager for resale. These are then sold by Sager itself as well as regional reseller partners such as XoticPC, PC Torque, LPC Digital, PowerNotebooks, Fortnax, and anyone else I may have missed.

So, that is why it may seem that Sager is more associated w/ Clevo than anyone else. They're the ones bringing the products into a particular region, and in my case, the United States. Does that make sense?

 

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That's the way Clevo wants it. It's good for business to make customers believe that their dealers are the manufacturers while the real one is left in shadows.

 

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I understand what you're saying, but if you read any of the fluff pieces on Clevo based laptops, you'll see the same kind of thing.

Maingear Titan 17 six-core laptop has 1.8TB of SSD storage - Techworld.com

Good luck getting ahead of any similarly configured machine from said rival.

EUROCOM Panther 3.0 Laptop Review - Desktop Replacement - Introduction

Who designed?


And I'm sure there are others as well.

In the end, I'm sure the builders want to appear bigger than they are - as that they have manufacturing capability. Don't get me wrong they do offer other valuable services like stress testing, better components, etc. They do offer value to a Clevo based laptop.

Also note, this has gone on for quite some time. Alienware and Voodoo PC used to be in this camp as well - rebranding Clevos.

Guess I'm just used to it after all these years.

 

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