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    *** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by italian.madness, May 26, 2010.

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    Mine didn't even come with an operating system. :)
     
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    Win 7 (why? - you hit on it in your post). You can purchase volume licenses from MS that it is not necessarily needed on a new machine. So I already had an unused license.

    Which is why I don't natively run Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Solaris, or the like on the x7200. I couldn't find all the drivers needed - nor did I want to sit around, find source, compile and wonder if it was the right one for the system. I have a list of the x7200 Win 7 drivers (see sig below), so if there's anything I need to do in *nix I just run all of these things inside Virtual PC or for x64 VMWare. Could use Virtual Box as well.


    Quite a bit, actually. Besides Windows, Unix, Linux (all distros), BSD (all distros), and OS X, there's QNX, Wind River VxWorks, and I'm sure a bunch of other specialized OSs that target the x86/x64.
     
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    Solaris X86 (yea I do have it)......
     
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    Dude. Please...

    My first computer was an Apple //e. I scratched, worked, saved and bought it (at least 1/2 of it, my parents bought the other 1/2) after I had taken a couple of BASIC classes at a local community college a couple of years prior, which for some reason let in a 9 year old kid. It came with an Epson printer (an LQ-510 to be exact) and two floppy drives. We didn't have your fancy, schmancy 3.5" - 1.44MB floppy drives, we had the the master of all disks - 5.25" 360KB. And, in regards to CD/CD drives? By 1981, people had no idea about anything in optical disk land as those would not be invented for another 3 years or so.

    And, things were different back then. You guys probably wouldn't know about programs like Apple Writer, or games like Ultima, Wizardry, or Zork.

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
     
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    None at all. As I said, it was fun to recollect. :D

    Now, let's get someone to post how they've figured a way to change the BCLK thru the x7200s BIOS.
     
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    Only the bclk?
     
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    Yes. I thought that DGDXGDG said everything else is pretty much available with an unlocked BIOS, but the bclk could not be changed.

    If I'm mistaken, he'll correct me.
     
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    I was waiting on him to post it actually over clocked or did i miss this somewhere? I seen his screen of the settings, but if they take and hold is a whole nother matter...
     
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    If you go through this entire thread, he's posted screen shots before. But I don't think he's using kizwan's BIOS. I think he did his changes with XTU, and could not change the BCLK.
     
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    Ah, ok.

    Now I wonder if this will happen with the Clevo P270WM as well....
     
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    What's the point of paying 2x for the extreme/unlocked CPU if you don't gonna use its potential? Better get an SSD instead ;)
     
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    Anyone got a guide to dis assembly, specifically removing the cpu heatsink, think I need to re-paste mine.
     
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    Should be pretty straightforward. Take bottom off. Loosen screws in reverse order (they should be labeled 1 through 4 with that being the order to tighten them in)

    Not like the M18x where you have to take the whole laptop apart including taking off the screen
     
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    See the Service manual (link in Drivers/BIOS page). Section 2-7.

    Note, if link doesn't work, try the web based FTP found on that page.
     
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    if you want to change the Bclk Mhz is not hard in XTU or the modded Kizwan bios
    its only the Bclk multiple thats locked
    you are a bit F ed if you are using the clevo org bios tho since xtu dont work
    then you have to use setfsb or something equal for the turbo bost you can use throtlestop
    if you use fsb progs you might end up pulling the cmos batt allot since some times the bios dont reset after bsod when using this kind of programs and trust me its a pain in the a..
    for those that use kizwans bios and want to up the bclk mhz its easy
    go to advansed settings / overclocking settings /cpu/nonflex buss override its normaly set to disabled enable and it will show 0 0=133mzh you will get a text next to it describing how mush every bump will give
    im now running the kizwan bv13 bios its run smoth as hell and cooler then the bv12 im getting at 3.7ghz with no V or uncore bump same temps as with 3.3ghz running the bv12 but at 3.7ghz the fan cycling comes back
    if you are running Oc on your gpus the 290.51 Vbios is not as stable as some of the older ones becouse im toping out at 745mhz now and use to top out at 750mhz will give update after testing the newest driver the 295.??
    my newest non physx 29455 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-980X Processor,CLEVO CO. X7200 score: P29455 3DMarks
    and only 28493 gpu
    by the if any one need to know how to exstract the org bios and ec from the bios iso file so you can use a normal boot usb stick for flashing its easy
    il post it in my next post
     
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    for extracting the org bios im using ultra iso
    just open the iso in the program just click on the tab bootable then savebootfile then name it to what you want it will become somthing.bif
    open the .bif file with the program you will then see all the files highlight them all right click select exstract then just copy from the folder where you put them and paste them on to a boot usb there you go no more cd

    thx kizwan
     
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    Hey Aikimox, do you know if the Dell 580Ms will work on the X7200. I kind of need to upgrade my 2yr old graphics cards even though they are still better than 560Ms.
     
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    So, to clarify, what were your max OC'ed stable clocks?

    Not enough info to answer this with 100% certainty. I have personally only tried vice versa - putting Clevo cards in AW laptops. But I think there was someone here who tried it and it worked.
     
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    yep bclk vcore uncore memv IOH v the flex watt and Amp mem speeds every thing but the bclk multiplier oohh i almost forgot you can move it down from 25 to lower but not up its locked i tried my cpu in a desctop the multiplier whent all the way 52 but with out N2 and a nuclear reactor you are not getting there .
    no it does not work i can change the vid turbo bost and every thing else but not the Bclk Multiplier in throtle stop i dont even get a button saying unlock

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    i turned my Turbo boost of for some testing then i got the cpu up to 3.8ghz stable thats bumping the Bclk from 133mhz to 152mhz over that the system gets unstable and i dident bother to remove one or two of the ram
    the system gets more stable if you remove one ram and with 2gb sticks isted of 4gbsticks you can run the system stable up to 4ghz
    so as i se it is since when f ing with the Bclk mhz is f ing with the ram and all the other busses so be very care full so you dont fry your rams
    now im doing the benches at 3.7ghz with tubo boost running at 4.2ghz
    GPU's is maxing out at right now at 745mhz with older drivers it was 750mhz and its not the heat or the gpu thats does it its lack of volt at max i get no artefacts no other prob the driver crashes thats the same what happends before you change bios to the unlocked one with higher V
    when you top out so with a bios with higher V i could go even higher since temps normaly hit max 70 to 72c
    stable for gaming and every day i normaly dont whant to stress the gpus wile not benching 650mhz to 730mhz depends on what game BF3 around 730mhz if its a big game to get the fps up temps around 55c to 68c
     
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    it was only e saples any way
     
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    I'm using it since it was released. Haven't encountered any bugs yet.
     
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    Whats your raid setup ? and where did you DL it from please ? Have you noticd any speed increase ?
     
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    I don't have a RAID setup. I got the same speed for my Intel SSD and I got from station-drivers but it should be on the Intel site too.
     
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    yeah, single SSD is more than enough for me as a primary drive. RAID is only good for benching.
     
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    Eh...not talking about a raid0......I have a raid1 mirror....and boot off a ssd.
     
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    I am not seeing that on intels site....makes me wonder why....
     
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    Um.......been been running a raid1 mirror for a while, no issues but ok
     
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    Probably just for a specific manufacturer.
     
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    i will link you
     
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    OK, but the one at http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sea...roductProduct=Intel®+Rapid+Storage+Technology is:

    File name: iata_enu_10.8.0.1003.exe
    Version: 10.8.0.1003

    And the link from http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/release_notes11001032.htm is
    Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.0.0.1032 Production Version Release Notes

    Different versions
     
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    Ok dident look that close just saw it then copy/paste link
     
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    No. They're not more trouble than their worth. In fact, I would suggest ppl learn about all the RAID options and know how they're used and all the advantages/disadvantages of each type supported by the x7200.

    Are you saying RAID is only good for benching in your case, or good for benching overall? While RAID-0 is interesting for speedsters, things like RAID-1 and RAID-5 are the ones that are an absolute MUST in my use case. It yet another one of the reasons I chose the x7200.
     
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    Well, if your machine hosts tons of super dynamic data (like client data), then I'd say RAID 1 makes sense. Most people with little to no data changes on a daily basis, don't really need a dedicated drive for fault tolerance bump and can be quite happy with simple incremental backups. My laptop holds a lot of important data as well but since it's not too dynamic, I only make manual backups once in a while.

    In any case I wouldn't go beyond RAID 1 in a laptop, it would make sense to me only in a server environment. But as you said, each RAID has its advantages.
     
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    FWIW, before SSDs, my choice on this line (D901C) was RAID 5. It offers the decent performance along with some data reliability. I wouldn't hesitate to run RAID-5 over SSDs, but the lack of TRIM is somewhat of a concern as I'm not one who wants to be bothered w/ SE every so often. That as well as the cost.
     
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    Funny you mention raid5, I am actually thinking of converting my raid1+spare to a raid5 for better performance, plus the extra space.

    Nice thing about the Intel RST is that I can convert on the fly from a raid1+spare to a raid5 without data loss.
     
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    LOL. I don't think I can count the number of different disk configurations you've had on "The Beast!"
     
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    Yea I know, but we now know what works :) Good thing is I have disk benchmarks for them all :) I also know what works best in my situation.
     
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    OK, this is just to weird....

    for some reason ctl-c and ctl-v dont work, I mean no copy / no paste

    or ctl-X.

    I tried both ctl keys (right and left side...)

    any one have ideas ?

    The on screen keyboard ctl-c and ctl-v work fine....to odd

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    OK to follow up, I got it fixed....freeking weird stuff man:

    I ended up talkeing the keyboard off and blowing out under it with canned air......figured....meh...cant hurt. Now it works....

    makes no sence.

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    ahhh its not working again........ideas ?
     
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