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Maybe I'm missing something but since the PSU works up to 400W, it seems to me it can be overclocked by 400w/330w=1.21 = 20%.

By the way, has anyone tripped the PSU or had throtteling problems yet in normal vigorous operation or only when running benchmarks?

What's been burning extra juice, the CPU or the 480's?

 

Unfortunately, yes! See http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...x7200-power-supply-issues-54.html#post6899161

 

Yeah just playing Crysis Warhead, I did, a few times. No oc either...

 

This is flawed logic. You have a 20% headroom for power (maybe) which will probably equate to about a 10% speed overclock.

And woot, 8000 posts!

 

A great contibutor to this thread!! CONGRATS!!

 

The PSU may be able to draw 400W from the wall, but guessing at an efficiency of about 80%, that equates to a total power to the laptop of ~320W...

 

Very true, something many people fail to understand.

 

Thanks to all for clearing up my PSU misconceptions.

 

Beware.... Im not far behind!!

 

You also have to keep in mind that the screen, motherboard, ram, HDDs, fans and optical drive all use power as well, not alot mind you, but they still draw some.

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This makes me wonder is using an external monitor will help keep the psu from tripping and increase overclocking potential. I am sure I am not the first to think of this but has anyone that has tripped the psu tried it yet?

 

Continuing on about external monitors, has anyone hooked up a 3D capable monitor (120hz, etc) loaded the drivers for 3D viewing/gaming etc, and make it work? I am really curious because out of pure boredom, I just order a 3D monitor and Nvidia 3D kit from Newegg with hopes of using it with the new lappy when she arrives.

 

So you ordered a monitor and glasses just because you are bored.

 

Wish I had that problem haha

I am trying to work out the funds to get waterblocks for my 5870s to include them in my new loop I am planning

 

I'll have to hook the X7200 up to my Kill-a-watt to see what it really draws.

 

offopic:
two for 70 a piece/ dd blocks over at evga

on topic:
let the numbers roll charles!

 

Hi everyone. I just got my x7200 in on Friday and have been playing and catching up on some long overdue games. I have been reading alot of your posts and used that to help decide what to get. So thank you.

I do have a couple of questions though that I am hoping you might be able to answer.

First, what's the best way to update drivers for my laptop, from what I've read, it seems that I would need to download them from Clevo directly and not from say NVIDIA. Is that correct?

Second, what are good temperatures for my CPU and GPU if I am at idle and if I stress it?
For my CPU I'm seeing around 92C on one core, others just below 90C while running prime95 Blend test and stayed there for the 2 hours I ran it. At Idle, I am seeing around 50C and normal use bumps that up to mid to low 50s. I haven't stressed my GPUs yet.

Any advice/help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

Something every review should include! Look forward to your results.

I am looking for EK blocks (would be easy if I had GTX 480s haha) as I want to use their bridge system and like their looks - been checking 4 different forums lol

 

At this time it is recommended that your use the drivers on the Clevo-Sager site. Regarding the nvidia drivers on nvidia's site, many are saying do not work well with the 480m at least. This could change soon.

Idle temps for the GPU should be in the mid 40's and not go much over 80's when stressed. The CPU idle should be in the high 40's or low 50's. and when stressed not over high 80's in most cases...
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My gpus Idle are 48c and 43c, where my core0 is at 25c idle. When I max my fans at Idle (Fn+1) I get my gpus down to 37c and 41c while my core0 gets down to about 15c. I use SpeedFan 4.41 to monitor my temps, if you have a better app let me know.

 

I know, it is sad, but when you are doin contract work overseas, there ain't alot to do out here.

As for drivers, if you are the type that likes to experiment, you can go to Laptop Video 2 go and start downloading various drivers and trying em out. Of course this can be very time consuming and headache inducing.

 

Yeah.. but what I really meant is damn you're rich lol

 

Here are some Kill-a-watt readings:

Idle: 121-138W (about 13W less w/ screen off)

3DMark06 GPU Tests: 239-256W (1st test); 269 peak (2nd test); 296W peak (3rd test); seems to hang around 248-252W most of the time

3DMark06 CPU Tests: 239-260W

wPrime 1024M CPU Test (12 threads); 225-6W constant

Highest I saw was 296W during the third 3DMark06 GPU test. This thing is definitely close to drawing the max from its rated 300W PSU; it's not 100% efficient like any other power supply but wow. That's a hell of a lot of power.

 

looks to be all in order for stock. so you havent had the psu trip on you yet, right?

 

How would I know if the PSU tripped?

 

It switches over to battery power for a bit. Thanks Charles for testing it...

 

Throw some games on there now and run some tests where its cranking on the GPU and CPU simultaneously ...

06 is either stressing the GPU or CPU but not really both at once nor is Prime obviously ..

 

With Clevo trash binning the W880CU, any news on whether the SLI 480M will be canned and replaced with SLI 470M?

I know the single 470Ms out there already have an SLI connector.

 

Charles, when is the ETA for your review of this monster?

 

I plan to finish the review by the end of this week; I don't control when it gets posted so it is anyone's guess (likely within two weeks). If you have any specific questions I will do my best to answer; just let me know.

For game benchmarks I plan to use Crysis, Left 4 Dead 2, and Mass Effect 2.

 

I think Mafia 2 needs to be in there, and Metro2033

 

Crysis and Mafia 2 would be good to get an idea of the power draw .. I believe there is a demo still of Mafia 2 with the built in benchmark as well ..

 

Mafia 2 with PhysX enabled is supposed to be pretty taxing from what I have heard

 

^^^^Totally agree to the above. Also, I think so many would just like to have it established if this 480M SLI system can game at high settings for long periods with out tripping...at least at stock settings...then maybe overclocked.

 

2 more important points to check would be CPU throttling and load temps w/o extreme air conditioning (i.e. ambient 25C+).

 

greetings .... last year i made the worse investment when i got the hp dv8t with the gt230m n paid 2,350$ after costumizing everythin 2 the max ... what i got is a machine full of problems, drivers problems, tune control issues etc etc ...
so i dnt want 2 make the same mistake twice please guys i need ur advice on this 2 machines my budget cant exceed 2,600$

the np7280 with the desktop proc i7 950 and 2x460m in sli i configured it around 2,600$ includin ssd and 6gb ram etc

the other machine is the sager x8100 having a mobile proc
i7-740 with dual crossfire hd 5870's and 8gb ram with ssd etc also around 2,600$

i want 2 use it mainly for games .... i know that hd 5870 is faster than the 460 but when the nvidia 460m sli is combined with desktop proc shouldnt it be better in performance ?
i saw a bench on notebookcheck that shows that the 460sli is goin far much better than hd5870 crossfire is it truly cuz of the desktop processor ?

thanks in advance any advices will be highly appreciated

 

I have a request for the review please don't compare this beast with a netbook on the benchmarks i seen that happen before and looks awful
i would say compare it with :

Clevo X8100 dual HD5870

Alienware M17X dual HD5870

Asus G73 JW-JH single HD5870-GTX460M

Alienware M15X Single HD5850-GTX460M

HP 8740W workstation ATI-Firepro M7820-quadro 5000M

Dell Precision workstation ATI Firepro M7820-FX3800

Clevo 880CU GTX480M-HD5870

and something in that line

 

Metro, Crysis, and Mafia should be enough, all in min, med, and max settings.

@Speedy: They all use Mobile CPUs and the x7200 use the Desktop version. Wouldn't that affect the FPS on the games?

 

Not as much as you think, most games these days are gpu limited.

 

The FPS are limited by the GPU itself i compare the D900F vs M15X before and the difference was insignificant like 2-3 more frames on the D900F and that was more to do with the GTX480M vs HD5870

 

so does that make the geforce nvidia 460m sli more powerful than the dual 5870 crossfire ??

 

Interesting article for x7200-NP7280 owners...

Intel high end 2011 chipset remains X58E
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Interesting. What differentiates x58 and x58e? Also, they can add USB 3 with a new ICH....while still using x58

 

any advice plzzz

 

will 460m sli with a desktop proc i7-950 out form hd5870 crossfire with mobile proc i7-740 in gaming .... ??

 

Shouldn't be a huge difference in performance. 460M is slightly weaker than M5870 (except for tessellation, where it is actually more powerful), but SLI scales slightly better than CF, so, IMHO, you should have similar performance.

However, if you're debating between the NP7280 and NP8120, the former has more GPU upgradeability potential (485M, 580M?...).

 

Right.. except you have to spend a fortune to upgrade notebook graphic cards.

 

hey all, i'm sure this has come up but i don't have the time to read through everything. what is better all around 460 sli or or a single 480m i can afford either but not 480 sli. I was thinking if i do single 480m i can get another maybe in a year or so. anyway, whats the word.

 

SLI 460 has overall better performance and power consumption. But if you are willing to upgrade to 480 SLI then it's different. But I would still suggest 460 SLI or even 470 SLI if you can wait and save up a little.

 

is there a date for the 470?

 

Well sadly no. Judging by the price of a single 470M, 470M SLI should be around $600 more than 460 SLI.