*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

Not necessarily. M5870 is one good example. If AMD's BlackComb proves to be much faster and cheaper than GTX480M - you can sell your cards and upgrade your system to a newer gen with minimal loss. Nvidia's GTX 5x0 might also be cheaper than their current gen. But the point is, since X7200 is very fresh, you can expect at least another year of active improvements from Clevo, including GPU refresh.

 

I'm no professional on this: but is the current MXM going to be phased out before GTX 500M series?

 

Good question, in the same line will the current MXM support AMD 69xxM series?

 

thanks Aikimox .. so plz just 2 clear up things u meant that the clevo x8100 has more upgradeability potential than x7200 or the opp ?

 

Sad day for me I ended up canceling my X7200 order. I ran into another X7200 owner who had nothing good to say about the laptop for gaming. He said the PSU has shut off multiple times while playing Bad Company 2 and a few other games. He even showed me, about 20 minutes into a multiplayer game the PSU shut off about 4 times. His temps were fine everything looked great. Poor design on clevos part I guess. I guess I will wait for the M17X R3

 

You know exactly what I meant x8100 is almost EOL.

SLI PSU is what we need for extreme configs. M17X series are awesome but they are not problem free, every new beast needs polishing time. M17X R1 had latency/stuttering, R2 - flickering/vBios/Driver problems.

Most likely. M17X-R3 is one example. It should have both 460M and 69x0M options.

 

Have the PSU/Gaming issues been addressed yet? I honestly think that they should phase out the GTX 480M (single and SLI) X7200 and replace them with GTX 470m or 460m cards and offer a recall for customers still having PSU issues to replace the GPUs.

 

Just tripped my psu playing Crysis Wars... ugh... to many problems with mine. My volume up touch button doesnt work at all, consistant blue screens, a few pixles that rarely get stuck in red or green, almost every time I try to wake from sleep it stays black with all 3 lock lights flashing/beeping (force restart). And minor things like terrible speakers, screen isnt the greatest, 3 collum numpad... those dont bother me too much, but it doesnt help me want to keep it. I need something better for my $4,500. I love the HDD space, RAM, 980x, SLI 480Ms, the power is amazing, but it just doesnt satisfy my purchase.

 

Are you sure you ment the x8100 is more updgradable? I would have expected if it was, it would have had 480m SLi before the x7200. Also is there something you heard about a 485M?

 

For the way that sound looks like you get a defective unit like mine before because a lot of people are satisfied and they don't have any problems i recommend you to send it for repair or get an exchange

 

Very unlikely to happen. 480M isn't going to disappear any time soon. The price won't be slashed either (except for maybe some minor discounts). The latest updates from Clevo and Sager have no hints to EOL of the 480M. The only change I see is that Quadro FX3800M might be added as an option.
I'll try to clarify the PSU tripping situation. Stay tuned...

I meant the X7200 is more upgradeable

 

i think he mean the X7200 is more upgradeable because the X8100 can't handle 2-100W video cards not without a new motherboard and PSU

 

I just ordered a 120gb OCZ vertex 2 from Neweggs black friday sale, $220 on sale, $190 after mail in rebate. Maybe a fresh install will help me out with my blue screen blues.

 

I think I might have addressed my PSU problem.
I've built a bridge to distribute the current load between my two PSU's I'm just starting the stress test now.

I currently limited the current so that only 450Watts can be supplied just as a precaution since I don't know if the motherboard was designed to handle anything more than a 300Watt PSU.

I'll post my results here.

 

Things have just started to get interesting!!!

 

I am sure the motherboard would handle more than 400w easy so finally we be able to see the real power of two 480M's overclocked with 980x OC too

 

I'm following...

 

Well I'm more worried about it handling 600Watts.
30 Amps is a lot of current for a laptop.

Well I've just officially beaten 5 cases where I could repeatedly trip my PSU.
Its currently drawing 432 Watts or 21.6 Amps as that is what I am actually measuring.

edit:
I also read an even draw of 10.86 Amps from PSU 1 and 10.857 Amps from PSU 2.
I believe my circuit is doing its job correctly. {sigh of relief}

 

Nice to bad there is no support to overvolt the 480M on niBitor 5.8 i try and all you can change is clocks i am sure you can contact mike on that regard

 

Amazing! We're all ears and eyes, crossing fingers for your success. Please continue! +1 rep

 

OK. I'm currently running a torture test using Linpack and furmark simultaneously, I currently have not over-clocked anything as I wish to see how this computer performs stock on a max load.

[I currently think we just trade one problem for another.]
I've recorded now a max power consumption of 447 Watts this however was only for about 30 seconds or so, I'm not sure if this is the absolute max or it is caped by my circuit.

I however am reading a temperature of 81C on my CPU and 87C and 89C on each of my GPU's respectively. Has anyone else experienced temperatures this high as they are hovering on the edge of my comfort zone.

 

yes, those torture test regularly heat them up to around that area, they look normal, thanks lots for posting!

 

Elevate the bottom of the machine to allow more air circulation. Set your fans to MAX. Those temps are ok for Furmark. I'd run Prime+Furmark to see the max possible power draw.

 

Thanks for the reply.

OK my laptop now on a mesh table with a fan blowing towards the bottom of it.
Not that it seams to be helping much.

The torture test is nearing its end. (I'm only running a short one at first to see if the motherboard can handle 450 Watts. I will be raising the limiter on my circuit to 550 Watts and running the test again)

I'll post my numbers if you want them since personally I am more focused on how my circuit bridge performs.

 

^^ Great. The numbers can wait. When you switch to 550W run Prime95+Furmark please. Not sure about Linpack but Prime should definitely awaken the CPU. Also, check if the CPU throttles @85C.

 

Ok, I'll run Prime95 and Furmark once I finish modifying my circuit.

In regards to the CPU throttling. What do you experience when the temperature is at 85C, as in how severe the throttling is and how severe is the forced performance drop.

 

I haven't seen the throttling yet but according to some owners, when CPU hits 85C the frequencies fall down to 1.6GHz for short periods of time. You should be able to see it with any tool reporting the frequencies (CPU-Z, HWinfo32, etc)

 

If you can get it working properly you should sell your design to clevo haha. They need it.

 

^^ 100%, lol

 

I hardly think that my design is really worth selling as any 2nd year electrical engineer should be able to design it.

It is a simple common voltage MOSFET current splitter circuit.

Speaking of which if anyone is interested I am willing to post my design as well as component numbers here with instructions(if i find time) so you can build your own.

 

It is simple but it is also a currently available working solution. Which is more then clevo has offered

 

ok, so can we get one run of vantage to see what numbers you get???

 

Sorry johnksss, I'm running Prime95 and Furmark at the moment and I am going to be very busy these next 2 days so I doubt I will be able to get to it till Monday but I will try.

Oh...
I've not noticed any CPU throttling at 85C but once my CPU hit 89C then performance dropped like a stone, I was getting about 800MHz.

Other than that my GPU's are threatening to melt their mounts as I was reading 92C at one point. (That can't be healthy)

I have also found the power draw of the system, (Please note that I do not over-clock anything) is a 457 Watts max and a mean of about 436 Watts under the for-mentioned load.

On another note, I have noticed that the two MOSFETs I am using in my circuit are dissipating more heat than I calculated and will require a larger heatsink before I remove the Current limiter from my circuit.

 

What's your room temp? Also, for how long were you running Prime&Furmark till the CPU hit 89C?
92C for the GPU's in Furmark is not too bad, but I'd stop at this point.

 

Room Temperature is about 26C.
I was running Prime95 and Furmark for approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes before the temperature peaked at 89C according to my history, it hit 85C after about 50 minutes.

 

Sorry if I missed it, but can you provide a screen shot of your Prime95 and Furmark test? My test a few weeks back also got in the mid 80's after an hour.

 

Oh
I'm so sorry, I didn't think to take a screen-shot of them.
I was more concerned about growing amount of power being dissipated in my MOSFETs... but anyway.

I know it is not the same but I did write down the scores for those who are interested.

 

Given the ambient and the time it took to reach 85C, I'd say that's pretty decent.
So, just to clarify, did you run Prime95(12 thread) and Furmark(multi-Gpu)?

 

Yes to both.

 

Great. Then we know the max power draw @stock clocks - 457W.

 

You would be correct at that statement, if you assume that running a combined torture test of Furmark and Prime95 simultaneously can be considered normal operations.

Oh and just to clarify 457 Watts are peaks, never lasting for more than 20 seconds or so.

 

I never said running the two simultaneously could be considered a normal operation. But it is considered a standard stress test for reviewers and benchers. It gives you a picture of system's cooling potential, especially for OC'ing and benching.

 

nvm, im good. it was a 10 minute thing.

i remember when i started that furmark and prime together. people thought it was a waste of time...way back when...lol
said it wasnt.....relistic and all. now it's the normal practice of the day.

 

Wait so YOU started it? lol

 

yeah, way back in the gateway days.
when kn notebooks was still around
but..
that's not the new tourcher test of the day anymore.
it's running furmark and linx 6.4 with max problem size of 25000 for 20 passes and furmark the same duration of time...about 1 hour long.

 

never mind

 

never mind 2

 

was looking for your post..lol

side note...furmark may be playing out with the 580 series...still running test, but high memory over clocks run on furmark, but crash in vantage.
wondering if this is true for the 480m....can some one give this a try hen they have time..thanks.

 

I apologise Aikimox for my previous statement, I just assumed you meant normal operations when I read "stock", sorry for the misinterpretation.

Oh...
Has anyone noticed any thermal discolouration in or around the laptops power-input socket after running a few torture tests?

 

Anyone got the 460m sli version yet ? I'll be gettin my later in the week to come maybe.
And i think its the first x7200 with internal tvtunner i heard so far...

If some of you are interested, it seems notebook check got some benches with a 950 and 460m sli.

And gues what, it is the second besto solution next to 480m sli.

Man, oh man, i think i dont fully comprehend the performance this laptop is gonna give me....

The specs are:
core i7 950
460m sli
12gb 1333 ram
128gb samsung 470 series ssd
500gb@7200 WD + 1TB@5200 WD (ordered from within my country)
intel wifi 6300
TV tunner with remote (as i understand)
blueray reader

all of this will be used with a logitech g13 and razer naga epic.

Mysn were kind enough to provide a roccat pyra wireless laptop gaming mouse, they do this for every order above 2000 euros

The whole deal cost, without the western digital, 2580.40 shipping included.
Im suppose to get it in week 48.
By the looks of the benchmarks on notebook check, the 460m sli does fairly good, esspecialy for the price it goes on the market.

And if you consider the fact, that i payed same price as one pays for a 5870 crossfire solution, you will understand how sweet a deal i have made.