*** Official Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge ***

That means the GTX580M may be 100watt card too? here we go again

 

maybe the thing is when the new gpus that will come soon may draw more or less laptop in the future.

but logically future-wise, more performance requires more power paired with a more powerful processor. so as the gain advances i hope they won't come out with a third psu jk. so i just imagine the future laptop psus after let's say 3 years from now. anyways we never know yet

 

A couple of pics to show how the power convertor box looks with the 2 PSU's...


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Another overpriced, 100W Nvidia monstrosity incoming? Oh joy.

I don't mind the wattage, it's the pricing which scares me.

 

Holy sacred cow . Nothing that some tape, soldering and some little mods cant fix lol.

 

ok...with the new up and coming design they can...
A: use a true mobile extreme cpu which would open allot of power room
B: design the next model with dual power ports on the back of the laptop with a 400 (rms) psu. with two out ports..one for vga power and the other for the rest of the board. or even make it with 3 psu connections on the back of the laptop with 400 (rms) watt adapter with 3 way ports as well...(cpu/va/rest of board) this should take the load off of other components...

this can come with 1 2 or 3 connections for the extreme enthusiast model

 

lol.. not sure how many people will buy though..

 

hate this.. in a way.. wanna ask if the so called "580m" is coming this january, or what are the specs, or if its available immediately after announcement or something. BUT, i know the answer ill get is, "oh we are under NDA." something like that. now i can't buy the x7200 ASAP. ( can any reseller PM me the answer? ill buy the x7200 from ya'll! LOL just kidding! maybe.. )

patience is a virtue.. oh well, hope ill find something to keep me busy for the next week or so.

 

i dont think it's really that far off. just like sager said...it's about the rails.
so a laptop with dual power jacks would be no further out of place as having dual psu's connected now.
if there were to do dual jacks...this would help out allot in power distribution. instead of pumping dual psu's in to one jack.
then you would beable to use different psu's on one machine..240W for gpus and 180 for cpu and motherboard or just run one for the normal user.

 

When new cards come out, hopefully i can find someone to buy my 480s... I'd be really sad if i got nothing out of it.

 

Knowing the exclusivity of Clevo A option is not an option for them even if that solve any problem related to power consumption

for option B they need to hire you seriously

 

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i prefer radius~XD
full desktop component i7 980X.rampage 3 gene.DDR3 2000+.GTX580.WD Raptor

 

They do not need different rails John....just better design for the motherboard power circuitry. I have a PSU in my desktop with 100A on the single 12V rail. It is split up at the PSU but could just as easily be a single pipe to the motherboard and then distributed there.

 

I just want to add my 2 cents on this.

So far my NP7280 has not tripped its single 300w as a result of my normal day-to-day usage or from gaming. The only time it has tripped is when I followed the ultimate stress test of running furmark and prime95 at the same time. But not once have I needed to do that outside of my daily usage or tripped the adapter.

So I think this solution is great for anyone that wants to fully stress out their system, but it's not needed for me.

But the talk of the dual jack has me thinking, how would that be a better solution than what it is offered now? Won't it be forcing the user to have both power connected in order for the system to function? I mean you can't leave out the GPU power jack and expect it to work.

So now if you are to move the system, you have to move with both PSU. Whereas now if you know you won't be stressing the system you can use a single 300w, and if you plan on stressing the system you have the option of dual 300w.

And I don't think that there is anything that needs to be redesigned with the motherboard power circuitry since it can handle the dual 300w now without any HW revision required - at least we have not seen sager mention it. And that the adapter is being offered to anyone that has bought a 2nd 300w.

So the main issue is still just getting a single 600w psu build?

 

Guys, if possible, I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me if the X7200 is worth it or not.

I've been torn between several different models for a while now. (Sager NP8760, 8690, 8120, and even the Alienware M17X) Every time I decide on which one I want to get, I read about a major issue (IE: X8100's & M17X's CFX issues, etc...), and then I feel like it won't be worth it, although I understand every laptop has its problems (The SXPS line-up had huge throttling issues, fortunately, I lucked out for the most part. )

Even though I plan on buying it with my own money, my parents are all like: "OMGBBQ?! WHY WOULD YOU BUY FROM ANY OTHER COMPANY OTHER THAN DELL??!! ASADFASDF" If I end up have an issue that I can't fix ASAP, they'd be up in my face saying "I told you so!".

They just see Sager/Clevo as some sketchy company just because they aren't as well known as Dell or HP.

Ugh...

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

If customer service is your concern, the M17x can not be beat. Next Business Day on site service is excellent and reliable for me so far (used 3 times). As for crossfire issues, they have all been sorted out at this point with a new vbios from dell and updated card revisions. If you get one from the outlet with 4870s it is even more hassle free (and still very strong performer). You can still get full warranty on outlet items. And that is a manufacture warranty not a reseller one (matters ALOT - no offense to the resellers here)

People also talk about the price of the Alienware, but frankly the x7200 is not cheap by any stretch so that argument is out.

The only reason to go with the x7200 that I can think of is if you are not in the US since dell prices outside the US are horrendous, or if all you care about is raw unmatched power. Otherwise the Alienware presents an excellent value (in my opinion). If you need help getting a deal on an Alienware, pop on over to the Alienware forums and ask around, there are always ways to save money on them.

 

For now, my main concern is power, and I really like the fact the the X7200 comes equipped with a desktop processor. Even the base config (i7-950) is better than the majority of mobile CPUs out there (not sure about the 940XM, though). The only thing I really need to upgrade is the GPU, and I chose NVidia's GTX 460Ms in SLi.

I've been comparing the M17X R2 with the X7200 and the M17X always comes out more expensive (I'm trying not to break $2.5K). Though I don't doubt for a second that Alienware computers are good.

On the plus side, that RGB screen @ 1200p on the M17X looks sick as hell.

 

It really comes down to preferences. I would go i7 950 and GTX 460m SLI if I was on the market today. But already having the system in my sig, I am perfectly happy. There is no point in expecting much more than this out of a laptop, I have a $3400 desktop when I need more power (ironically costing almost the exact same as my laptop but having an i7 965 and 5870 CF all watercooled)

 

Wow, you've been dealing with a different Dell/Alienware than I have. Their customer service has always been miserable for me (and that is being nice).
I bought my Alienware (9750) to get away from Dell (which I told them I woud never buy a Dell again), and then Dell bought Alienware! And then their service went straight downhill.
If you like long waits on hold, only to talk to people out of the country you can't understand, reading scripts, no matter what your answers are, and not providing any help---Dell is the way to go.
Note: I have not had to use Sager support yet.

 

Looks like you talking about different company here because Dell-Alienware has the most amazing service and support a company can offer , you may don't understand the foreign agents but that don't have anything to do with their service when i call Alienware support they usually speak Spanish and that makes me feel comfortable

 

now that looks interesting...where mght the keyboard be?

running 100A's through 4 tiny wires is not really a feasible options.. ...once they heat up.... part of why the clevo uses the 4 pin connection route. but now you make that 8 or even 12....

right now, DT motherboards psu sockets are starting to burn up because the video cards are pulling to much power form the pcie slots...this will happen to laptops as well. that is why the new DT motherboards have the extra 4 pin connector on the mother board just for that. to help stabilize power for the vga.

side note:
(do a search for it and you wil find that the 24 pin connector is stating to catch on fire while running dual cards or more. cant really understand what they are doing, because mine never did..but it's there all the same. would be very bad for a laptop though..)

going to have to say my idea is sound....but implementing it is something entirely different.

 

SF-19 Strike Force (USB 3.0) - Cooler Master

Check it out .....
Cooling pad that's big enough for X7200

 

saw speedy's post before and just saw on the service manual that the same screen WAS actually an option for x7200, but i guess, just like the HDMI in option, resellers or sager maybe skipped these options to cut costs. with the dual psu solution, i don't think power is an issue now.
( i know, i know they answered on the HDMI in issue. this is just my opinion though. peace! )



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anyone who knows what kind of material is that plate on the x7200 logo?
or if its available for purchase? ( highly unlikely though )
i just wanna have a custom logo done on it.

 

looks like the logo is some kind of plexy glass
wonder where is the 120hz screen option

 

thanks speedy for the info! but to be sure, you're talking about the #21 part right? (pic as reference)
i just asked because the #23 was a one solid clear kind of backing for the lcd lid, i think, on top of parts #20, #21, #22.

and, before i finally decide, two questions coz i know most of ya'll are good at this.

1. is 485m or 580m a significant improvement over 480m?
( based on rumors, can't find much info )

2. is 470m better than 480m? or its the other way around?
setting the power issue aside..
( i know 470m-75w uses less power compared to 480m-100w )

guess thats it. hate this waiting! plus the 990x too.

 

yes i was talking about #21

no doubt the GTX485-580 is going to be faster than 470-480

and if the 470 is faster than the 480 is hard to say but the way they flash the card yes 470 is faster now if you unlock the voltage on the 480 it should be faster than the 470

but what matters at the end is stock vs stock right ?

 

kind of. haha. i wanna try my handd on overclocking stuff, reason why i let go my D900F to begin with. hope i win on the dell streak im bidding on coz if not maybe ill buy the x7200 with 480m sli instead of waiting til next week for 485m or 580m.

so just with unlocked voltage 480m is better than 470m?

guess back to reading more and more stuff before deciding.
trying to see if i can find some 580m on chinese or italian sites or posts coz i saw some incoming sandy bridge processors on those sites. maybe they're talking about 580m too.

 

well personally i own a 480m and i was downright good and awesome, 68 deg C when hours of gaming using SLI, and i just notice that there's more headroom for 470m to surpass 480, who knows anyway how far the 480m could go with the psu modification from sager, if someone dares to overvolt it and have results compared to 470. but note that if 480m does go beyond more, so as the 470m. another downside of 480m is the price, and for the moment the 470m replaced 480m in most configurations. so 470m is what is being offered right now.

 

Yes if you keep the temps under control

 

thanks! now im really thinking, esp with cash in hand, hard to resist not buying the x7200 already. especially that i didnt get the dell streak, im gonna be bored to death. tired of OC ing m17, cant maintain 4GHz on x9100. i need a new monster!

 

well, you mentioned monster anyway, np7280 is a beast, not only in the inside, but also in the outside you can check how big and heavy this monster is.

 

yeah i know. been there. but i think x7200 is heavier coz of the components inside, plus the dual PSU if taking it somewhere. one time i went to philippines to visit my girl and i took the m17x-r1 with me. its sooo heavy!
how much more if its the x7200? maybe not that much difference because by looking at the specs i think x7200 and m17x are almost the same in weight. and D900F is heavy too, but i never took it out anyway.

 

you're right, it is heavier, in my case even though i travel a lot, i don't mind carrying this heavy baby, at least for me if i do carry something it should also worth something, i mean worth carrying lol...i think mine weight more than 10 pounds. but if there's something i can point out directly the best attribute of np7280 besides performance, its the internal cooling solution. i expected noise but its rare and not loud enough to irritate me, but the cooling temps specially to the 480m SLI totally impressed me.

 

like D900C-D900F M980NU-X8100
sit on a sofa and wait to see if this "model" would continue support huge X68 LGA2011 8core16thread 4 channel DDR3 GTX680SLI

 

You do realize that LGA2011 is not even coming out until the end of next year at the earliest right.....1366 is going to stay the top of the line, sandy bridge next month will only be low and mid range stuff

 

The new mPCI SSDs should work with the internal TV-Tuner slot right?

 

Unlikely as there is no connection to a SATA port

 

Quick, dumb question:

How do I know the system drive I received is the 500 Gb Hybrid, and not just the regular 500Gb?

 

go to device manager - disk drive if it says ST95005620AS is a momentus XT Hybrid

 

i dont have this drive but this might be helpful.
click the my computer
right click the hard drive
click properties
click the hardware tab

using that i can see my 60GB Patriot Inferno, so i assume that will work too on any hard drive. correct me if im wrong though.

 

speedy beat me to it. LOL
a real speedy one.

 

no lol is just because i have that drive

 

That's what it is, thanks Speedy! Livin' up to your name!

 

ouch! thats why ur sure. good that ur here, can ask more questions, bout the bad boy im about to get.

is ur 470m SLi runs real cool? like what temps on idle and full load?
and what is like the max temp before stopping a stress test.
coz idk if ill buy it already with a 480M or 470M SLi
... and running 980x @ 4GHz at the same time.

not related but...
coz im so bored i bought a Dell Streak, will upgrade the internal micro sd from 2gb to 32 gb. kinda like my tablet at home with lots of music, something that my iphone can do but makes it complicated. i wanted something thats drag and drop, not going thru itunes.

 

The 470's idle at 34c and the max i ever saw is 57c on games and benchmarks that is with fan speed at auto, at full speed and overclocked here is a screen shoot it idles at 30c when the fan is at full speed
you can overclock the 980x but XTU is buggy it crashes sometimes and when you reboot sometimes you have to pull the CMOS battery out to reset the bios also the temps get really torching

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4968/van4707.png

 

@wadwad your choice is a no brainer, go for 470m, and if you can make it sli, the better. there's alot of headroom for 470m, with what speedy test, its really amazing.

if you check 480m which i have, i have idle clocks of 48, browsing/mainstreaming/surfing at 50-53, gaming at 60-63, gaming use in SLi at 68-70. room temp at 28. no cooling fans, with fans i think i give a minus 3-4 values.

 

Hey all you might try the below...

 

thanks for that babyhemi! i just hope that when they announce the 485M on CES its available for purchase immediately. hope 485M is like a fusion of 470M and 480M.
maybe ill just watch the forums for now. havin a hard time hardware hacking the dell streak, changing the 2GB internal mem to 16GB. thought its simple but nope. oh well. hope someone make a thread here like on the front page it shows like top 5 benchmarks for 480M, 470M and 460M for x7200. saw this on alienware forums before, the reason why i got hooked here, but i dont want to be on that side, for some reason.
okay back to hardware hacking!