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~1k difference on the GPU score. Also, the 43k on the CPU is due to Physx and isn't very important. So far out of the box ~5% difference which is negligible.

I wish we had mature drivers and firmware to have a fair comparison.

 

For what it's worth, just hit this with GPUs OC'ed to 700/1650:



GPUs didn't get hotter than 65C. Probably getting a bit CPU bottlenecked at this point...

 

^^ Nice! Looks like your beast can easily OC more. Keep 'em coming!

 

Sir, what Vantage GPU score can your desktop 480 SLI achieve? 35k?

 

wow! that inspired me! incredible GPU score

 

Not sure. I did do a couple passes at Extreme setting a while back to test my OC's stability, but I wasn't tracking scores. I don't normally spend time running synthetics, just game.

In any case, I'm parting it out now that I have this beast and selling everything but the case .

 

By the way, how many power adapters have you got for your 470m sli? Did you ever experience power tripping or power shortage?

 

I have 485m SLI and, no, I haven't tripped the PSU yet even OC'ed to 700/1700. I've only used it for a day, but it seems you can OC a good amount with no worries.

If I find a single PSU is restricting me I'll get another. I WILL hit 30,000 in Vantage on this.

Update: I played through the first two levels in Metro 2033 this morning. Didn't get stats, but was able to play Dx11, Very High with DOF and Tesselation enabled not OC'ed at all with no signs of stutter. This thing is a monster.

 

Cheers! Thanks for the info, harmattan.

 

Have you tried the "touch" buttons for volume, bluetooth, camera, and wi-fi buttons at the top? What are your thoughts for that as control? I'm so use to the Fn-Fx keys that I hardly use it, but am curious what others think.

 

harmattan,

One thing that comes to mind, if you get a chance, could you take a look at ATTO and AS SSD benches. I'm curious how the Crucial C300 stacks up against the OCZ Vertex 2.

Here are benches with the latest Intel RST driver against the C300:





Thanks,
Jeff

 

Get a Killowatt meter on radio shack hook it up and watch how many watts the system is using while you play a game like Crysis,Mafia 2,Just Cause 2 or any other demanding game

Don't worry about Vantage , 3D mark 11 , or any other synthetic benchmark because those won't use the resources at the same time

your PSU could be using more than what is rated for and that should be fine for days , weeks , but maybe not for the long term life of the components inside

if your machine is not using more than mine at load 310 watts i order 2 485m's today

 

Why don't you oc your cpu? i have a clevo x7200 with a single gtx480m, and the same cpu as you, i was able to run 3d mark 06 and achieve almost 17000 in full hd with my gpu oc'ed to 500/1000/1300 and cpu oc'ed using set fsb to 3.657 GHz, with turbo boost active. Cheers

 

Mmm... can you please elaborate - what might hurt the components inside in the long run? "Underpowering" the GPUs with a single AC adapter, or "overpowering" the GPUs using two AC adapters via converter box?

 

Just pulling more watts than what is rated for long periods of time something like 375 watts that will kill the Capacitors inside the PSU and i am not talking about overclocking at all this is just stock

Yeah with 2 PSU's should be fine

 

Probably your your power source would wear off very fast, even if it stable.

 

Thank you, that's what I thought.

 

Yeah - that is the reason for concern.

 

Did you use Intel XTU for OC'ing the CPU? What are your CPU temps like?

 

What's the difference with having 2 PSU's ? I'm going to be resubmitting my order soon and the option I have if I change is for the following 2nd AC Adapter with Power Converter Box.

 

I thought if you order the laptop with the 485M SLI you get the extra PSU?

 

Simple: this laptop is big and heavy and that is not a problem the PSU is already like another small laptop so put your laptop on your backpack and the extra small laptop now add one more small laptop to the bag

Some people would be fine with two PSU's because they don't move their laptop but if you going to do that why you don't build a super desktop with double the amount of power and overclocking capabilities for half the price?

I don't know guys but Clevo should build a 450 watt PSU for this machine

 

If you start in this thread early on (sub-100s?), someone (I think speedy) 1st noticed that the *single* PSU would cut out during some beching / burn in tests. After some more research it was determined that OC'ing the dual nVidia 480Ms along with the Intel i7-980X was drawing more power than the PSU could supply.

What ended up happening is the PSU's safety measures would kick in and kill the PSU -> leaving the laptop running strictly on battery. In turn the power features of Windows would slow down the GPU/CPUs since the A/C power had been disconnected.

There were some make-shift solutions people had made, but in the end Clevo (with possible Sager involved) ended up with a module that allows two PSUs to run in parallel to power the laptop. Around thread page 240+ you'll see pictures.

So the real question is, will the components in a system draw too much power that trips the CPU's safety device or reduces the lifetime of the PSU's capacitors.

HTH

 

I purchased mine before this all started, but my understanding is that it is just an extra option to get 1 or 2 PSUs from the vendor.

 

Yes, it is exactly what was advertised for both the 485m SLI and the 470m SLI. But it seems they only deliver a single PSU, no matter what you order, and no matter what the invoice says concerning the extra AC adapter.

 

That's it... I'm going to enter the realm of ridiculousness and order another PSU from Xotic.

My rational for only ordering 1 PSU with my original order was I wanted to see how high my GPUs and CPU could even OC. Now that it looks like I can push 700/1700 on the GPUs with more headroom to spare and haven't even OC'ed the CPU (which should likely go at least to 4ghz), I'm going on the safe side.

Speedy - You're right: having pushed multiple desktop PSUs to the limit and seen them die before their time due to worn capacitors, two PSUs strung together for heavy OC-ing on x7200 with SLI'ed/Crossfired GPUs is a good idea. I just hate the inefficiency of it...

 

Yes, now it is an option, and you will have to pay extra for it. What troubles me, is that when I placed an order, it clearly said "Graphics Video Card SLi ENABLED DUAL (2) 1536MB PCI-Express nVIDIA GTX 470M's (3072MB Total) w/GDDR5 DX11 Video Cards (User Upgradeable) + Extra AC Adapter & Power Converter Box".

Well, the whole point of getting the Np7280-S1 configuration was that Extra AC adapter.

 

They're going to contact you to let you know it was a misprint. They did so with me shortly before my order shipped.

 

harmhattan,

Let us know your CPU temps. My x7200 seems to be running high at stock (76+ C) when under load. I don't know that the ceiling is on the i-7's, but that seems pretty high, or the very least not much room for overclocking.

Also, I posted a couple o' pages back about SSD benches. Dunno if you saw it, but I'd love to see a comparison.

Thanks,
Jeff

 

76C on an i7 is definitely borderline (if I remember, throttling starts at 80C). I'll track mine and report back once I have a chance to OC.

I try and get to those SSD benches at some point, but am pretty against the wall with stuff . Of course, my new toy comes and other life and work stuff starts stealing my time

 

Each psu is rated to work optimal up to some maximum value of the current.When there are two psu in paralel they would have to give each only half of the current.

 

Yeah understood now thanks for the replies.

 

I purchased a 7280 like 2 weeks ago and I got 2 PSU's when it was delivered.

I purchased the 980x with dual SLI 485M build.

Can anyone provide instructions on how to OC the GPU's and CPU? (safely of course...I don't want to destroy my system).

 

Good to know... Did you order directly from Sager or via one of the resellers?

 

Xoticpc .

 

Thanks a lot for the info.

 

harmattan, when you hit 30K (w/PPU on) let me know! i'm trying to break 26000K for the GPU score and have come upon a wall. I'm not messing with voltage but if i get the GPU clock around 710 I have a high probability i'm crashing. I've got Memory Clocks up to 1800 before but the shader/GPU clock relationship has got me stumped (using nVidia Inspector). at 708Hz i'm all good. hit 710 and I'm Vantage starts to yell obscenities at me

any thoughts / hints?

PS - i think once nVidia releases official drivers for the 485m, 30K will be easier.

 

What do you have your CPU clocked at? Sounds like you're about at the limit on the GPUs without raising voltage, but you may have some room to go on your CPU.

I hit 28767 stock on my i7-950 (3.06ghz) with GPUs at 700/1600. I likely have a little more headroom on the GPUs (on mem at least) and upp-ing the CPU ghz should let the 485s stretch its legs a bit better.

 

when you say 700/1600 you're reffering to GPU clock / memory clock correct?

yeah I have the same setup as you, but I haven't used setFSB - seems a little dauting to me, i don't know my PPL, and how to use it so kinda at a loss... Bios tinkering? forget about it. But i do think i have hit the limit on my cards at 708/1800

Babyhemi has hit 30K on this machine with a 980x and the same cards. (the gentleman who says he isn't a bencher but has the best scores to date on this machine

and his GPU score was over 26K. and with an OC of 705/1580 his CPU score put him over 30K... monster of a machine is right

 

If you want to use setfsb just put the clock generator to cv193cpag, i did that and got my cpu to 3.6 ghz with turbo boost enabled. I have one of this beasts with a core i7 950 and a single gtx 480m

 

so let me get this straight so i do not order something as soon as something new is coming out. I was looking to get the dual 485, but now i think i should wait for the new ati's to come out to resellers.

Any idea when they will be available?

 

If money is an object, I'd wait for the 6970s. They should be a good deal cheaper than GTX 485s and very close in perf. I'd assume they'll be available before end of Feb., but don't quote me on that. Sager might be waiting until they've exausted supply on 470s and 485s before releasing a card that will effectively nullify those cards, one from a performance standpoint and another on price/performance.

 

Thanks for the info, I am hoping that maybe since the ati's are coming out then the nvidia's will be cheaper. We can only dream right?

I am not a fanboy but i just remember having an easier time with nvidia that i have had with ati.

Anybody know if the tv tuner that is listed in the options is worth getting?

 

There's little chance to see 6970M's in Feb. We may have some news by the end of this week but don't take my word for it.

 

How are your CPU temps holding out?

 

The GTX 485m OC Benches are really impressive!
BTW, can someone with SLI gtx 485m run a 3D Mark 11? First at stock clocks, but of course with oc too ....

 

The only driver for the 485M's SLI is the (265.77) version. 3DMark 11 does not see the SLI in the benchmark results. The scores are low.

nVidia's next driver release for the 485M's should be ok.

The below is from...

FAQ | 3DMark 11 – The Gamer's Benchmark for DirectX 11


"Q: I can’t seem to get SLI working correctly. How do I enable SLI in 3DMark 11?

A: 3DMark 11 automatically takes advantage of multi-GPU configurations (SLI/Crossfire). Note that you need NVIDIA Forceware 266.58 or later drivers for official SLI support in 3DMark 11."

Hopefully we will get this updated 266.58 or later version soon...
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Ah, ok, I see.
At least one Benchmark for a short time to hold the crown

 

Early next month according to ManuelG on the GeForce.com forum.

 

Anyone have a ETA when this beast will be back in stock at Sager ?