Official Sager NP8130/Clevo P151HM1 Owners Lounge

Hardcore kinda pushes the 460m a bit too high though. Patch Crysis 2 to V1.2; they renamed the settings to High, Very High and Extreme. Few performance boosts too, but comparing the 485m to your 460m is a different thing altogether.

 

Is overclocking the Sager NP8130's CPU/GPU detrimental to its expected lifetime, by how much at what risk?
I'm expecting my laptop to be my only computer for a long time.

 

thats wierd... I could have sworn that I patched to 1.2 but it still has the stupid hardcore blah blah thing.

 

Yeah well Killer Croc scares me! But I still have to fight him in Batman Arkham Asylum.

That, no one can answer, because every CPU/GPU is different, every overclock is different, and the usage scenarios differ. However, what we do know is that overclocking will affect your GPU and CPU in a negative way and will lower it's lifetime. We just can't answer definitively by how much.

I also love that the 460M automatically downclocks itself when you're not playing games...it has a little power-saving technology built in

Mr. Mysterious

 

There's no answer to that... The components are rated to run at the "factory" clock speed... Overclocking in many cases would void the warranty and could fry your components quickly (or render the system completely unstable). BUT, in most cases, you can squeeze a good 10-20% or more without any noticeable impact. But it would mean that the parts will get hotter than what the cooling system was designed for, and heat is your worst enemy.

Bottom line, there's no real answer to your question. Yes it could prove detrimental, and yes it could work fine without issue... But if you're improvising and you're not willing to accept the fact that you could kill your GPU/CPU or PSU prematurely, you're better off treading carefully.

 

He is over-exaggerated in the game, in real life he is only a foot and a half taller than I am...

 

It's here! It arrived early, today. UPS is awesome. Shipped from Xotic to my doorstep in 2 days. Okay well actly it was a different doorstep, but my neighbor was nice enough to bring it to me. UPS sucks...

And wow, first let me say, this is a beautiful laptop. I don't think its given enough credit. When I first saw it, I thought "wow! that is sexy!" May comment more tomorrow on my config if anyone is interested. So far very pleased. Screen is great, even if text is a bit hard to read. Weird I have 20:20 vision too, maybe my old laptop just messed up my eyes, I'm sure I will get used to it eventually.

 

Yeah the 8130 is a sleaking looking beast. It's a total sleeper too, it doesn't scream at you that it's riding dirty but it's bringing the heat.

 

Yes! Please post your thoughts about the machine. I'm excited to hear as many opinions as possible before mine arrives. It gets me through the waiting days.

 

Best. Comment. Ever.

+rep

Mr. Mysterious

 

Personally I never thought the 8130 was very aesthetically pleasing...

 

Okay well lets see the first thing I'll share is my Redline Boost numbers.

When XoticPC said they were going to provide a stable overclock to my system I was a little skeptical that it was going to be any good. When they said I would see a 15%-30% I was even more skeptical, but the writings on the wall. here's my Vantage numbers

Before Redline Boost (stock clocks):


After Redline Boost (overclock):


First thing I did was load MW2 from disk, (much faster then downloading). I went to Spec Ops mode, and did the bridge mission (oh btw, I downloaded Fraps). First thing I say was 100 fps, and was like "Omg, this is at max settings?!"

All that first mission it would hover around 80, 90's at best, and settle around 60-64 when the action got intense, but never any lag.

I played the first couple missions, before I had to get some rest cuz I have work today , but absolutely impressed. This thing once dropped to 17 fps, during the dust scene in the humvees. I don't get why it lagged there, but it never got below 60 otherwise for the rest of the game, and I played a good few hours. (no heat at all on the laptop).

Ok, and one more thing. I noticed the flex a little bit. I think it's cuz the battery is so much lighter then the disk drive, but after I repositioned it around a bit the laptop was level. The laptop is a little thicker around the back, but the feet add a good centimeter or so, and its still very compact. The same size as my last 15 inch. Only difference is this thing is a sleek looking, matte black beast, with some illegal mods under the hood!

Oh Fans: Some people seem to be anoyed by the fans, but I don't even hear them. Granted I have my room fan on, but its not of those really loud old fans. Its a new modern fan, just spinning really fast, but doesn't make all the noise, you know what I mean? And quite honestly, when not gaming the fans are not that noticeable to me, but some people might have sensitive ears, Idk.

 

how ur cpu score is so high??

 

is it high? I thought that was normal.

 

Hi mate I tried to pm you but I can't :/
I am Greek as well and would like to buy a Clevo can I ask you some questions?

 

what u want to ask me?

 

here is mine take a look.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...7228-sager-np8130-review-mr-mysterious-7.html

 

(I could do that in Greek but this is a public forum so I'll keep it in english )
1. Did you buy your laptop from Europe or USA/Canada?

 

i bought it from plaisio.u now that right?

Turbo-X Iron i727-850 - Laptop - plaisio.gr

 

oh its that one....
Ok so....
2. Did u have any custom items or did u just buy from this link? (and if you got custom items how long did it take for you to get your laptop?)
3. Do you have the Mobile Intel® HM65 that has been recalled by intel?

 

i have the last one mothetboard ver B3 and i bought it from this link no custom.i have no probs with the laptop.sent me pm if u can or e-mail me.thx.

 

I think that the admin has pm's disabled since when I try to do it is sez that I don't have permissions.
Also you email is not visible...

 

email me at [email protected]

 

Guys, one question. What is the resolution everyone's using for 8130? 1920x1080 makes stuff too small imo and 1368x768 doesn't really feel right.

 

1920x1080, but change the windows setting for UI elements to 120% (I did the same thing in Chrome for web content) and things are just perfect

 

Oh, thanks man, good advice (although I would be able to try it out only after i reach home)

 

"CTRL + Mouse Scroll Wheel/Trackpad Scroll" will let you quickly change icon size and web page size. It will not change taskbar size or Windows font size. For that, type "Display" into the start menu and click on the Control Panel item named "Display" that comes up. You will need to logout or restart your computer for changes to take effect.

 

Hey everyone! My review is finally done! Pictures and everything are up now Enjoy.

Mr. Mysterious

 

I thought it was really small too, coming from the same size screen, but I'm starting to grow into it. Just give it some time. I tried messing around with the display settings, to make it from Medium to large and it just felt too big, so I guess I'll use this scroll thing when things are too small.

@johnnyman: Idk, that's weird, those were picks XoticPC sent me. I installed the trial version andtested it myself and score was still about that high. Also why does it say 1.6Ghz in your sig? The 2720 is 2.2Ghz stock, and I think 3.3Ghz when turbo boost kicks in. So ur score should be higher then mine.

 

Its amazing that ur laptop took 10 days to be between ur hands !!!!!

 

can someone please provide for me the power consumption for the sager np8130 (with 460m) in watts during:

• idle
• full cpu load
• full cpu + graphics load
• idle without battery plugged in charging

thank you

 

Anyone else have a really loud Bluray drive? Sometimes mine is fine but other times it's ridicoulus how loud it is. It's usually when I'm installing something. If I push on the drive a little it stops the noise, seems like it's vibration causing it. I think I need to replace this drive.

 

With shipping it was more like 2 weeks. But yeah it was a lot faster than I expected.

 

Mysterious, thanks for the review! Good information and pics.

I'm hoping my notebook ships this coming week, the wait is taxing. Maybe I'll get it on tax day (w/ 2 day shipping). Right now its at XoticPC for the display upgrade, but hasn't been moved to phase 3 yet.

 

It's coming Wednesday... the torture!

 

You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed reading it I had fun writing it, myself.

Yes, it's quite hard to wait for it, but you'll enjoy and appreciate it all the more when it arrives on your doorstep

Mr. Mysterious

 

Alright, so I got an NP8130 after all (turns out my order shipped as soon as the payment cleared, so it must have been ordered from Sager before the payment cleared, which I did not expect. Thus, by the time I requested a cancellation, it was already shipped out). I got it from PC Torque btw (highly recommended, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the sellers but PC Torque was cheapest for me).

Build is good, keyboard is great, flex is very little (I don't notice any under normal use). However, does anyone else have the problem of some cores being a full 10 degrees hotter under load than the rest? I've had P95 running for 15 minutes or so and my temps from the 1st to 4th cores are 71, 74, 78, and 81. I don't know if they bunged up the application of the thermal paste (I got the stock paste, btw, I'm fine with applying good stuff myself at $10 a tube rather than paying $35 or whatever it was) but that doesn't seem normal to me. Unless the probes are bad in two of the cores. I'm wondering if the heatsink is incorrectly mounted or something - I thought the purpose of the burn-in was to check stuff like this, but I have no idea what testing they do. I just ran out of paste last week so when more comes in I'll repaste the heatsinks (might as well do the GPU for good measure) and hopefully there won't be any more issue. 70 degrees under full load is nice, but 80 could be better. Still, no complaints, but if it helps those two cores idle better too (they are a good 5-6 degrees hotter at idle) then perhaps the fans won't be on as often (which is a little annoying when they're on all the time just doing web browsing).
Overall though, love the system so far. I'm in Canada and I didn't get nailed for any duties OR taxes, so I think I got pretty lucky. If, in the end, I don't keep this system (I had bought another in the meantime with the intention of cancelling this order), I'll pass on my savings to another lucky Canuck who won't need to wait to get a system built and won't have to worry about taxes at all. It's just a bit heavy and a tad thick for me, but hey, you can't complain when you look at what's under the hood. That i7 doesn't cool itself!

Oh, and I really like the plastic finish. Overall, the build reminds me of a thinkpad, which I would say is a good thing. Certainly doesn't feel cheap. Optimus would definitely be nice, since the IGP is more than capable for even most of my gaming, and it seems like a waste to not be able to use one of the biggest attractions to the Sandy Bridge platform. I know Optimus is a bit buggy, but even some sort of hacked together switching (even if I have to reboot!) would be better than none. Not being able to use the wireless display stuff is also a bummer (I did purchase a compatible WLAN card). But, still, nice system, and you won't get anything like this for less than double the cost elsewhere. Screen is gorgeous, the 1080P is a godsend when it comes to notebook productivity.

 

Sounds like you're enjoying it. Congrats and welcome to the family! Just steer clear of our crazy uncle. He thinks he's batman or something

Mr. Mysterious

 

Indeed, there's nothing like playing Crysis literally maxed out at 1080P!
In order to do so, I did OC the GPU to 864MHz from 675MHz, with the memory up to 1493 from 1250 and the shader clock to 1729 from 1350. Max temp was 86 degrees. No guarantees these clocks are stable - the only test I did was a half hour of Crysis. These clocks are probably overboard too, but hey, why not? I'm surprised how well this card overclocks. Certainly happy with this 460m at much less than the 485m.

I'll note that this measurement of 86 degrees was on a lap and probably a bit choked for air - I just ran Furmark for a bit and max temps were 80. So, perfectly acceptable.

I'm also experimenting with reducing the idle clocks of the GPU further to increase battery life, but so far it doesn't seem to do a whole bunch without being able to reduce the voltage further than stock at idle.

I'm downloading 3DM11 to compare with yours below, thegdbatman.

 

Result

Is this good?

 

Result Here's my 3DM11 score. I'd say that none of us are going to have fantastic results, given that this is this the latest 3DMARK and we don't have desktop GPUs in our systems that would give acceptable framerates. The GPU in this system isn't that much better than my HD4850 from 3 years ago. However, that card does me just fine in my desktop system for gaming. It's especially not bad considering that card under load uses more power than this entire laptop does, packing a quad i7. Overclocking the 460M gives me just enough frames to make Crysis playable maxed out at 1080P. Not many frames, but just enough. And really, it's quick and painless - just download nvidiaInspector and set your clocks. That said, I accept no responsibility for your system blowing up if you do so, yada yada yada.

PS: I'm on the 270.51 drivers, found on laptopvideo2go or something like that.

 

woah your score is way higher than mine...

What utility do you use for overclocking?

 

I used nvidiaInspector like someone mentioned a couple pages back. I'm totally new to nVIDIA overclocking (this is my first nVIDIA card period, it's all been ATI up till now), so I haven't done anything very original. This tool is just a quick and simple way to adjust your clocks for the three different power levels (light, medium, and heavy GPU use essentially). There are much more in depth tools out there if you really wanna get in there and fine tune things with under/overvolting etc, but for now, that works fine for me.

I don't know how much of my performance gain is attributed to using the latest drivers, but I'd imagine that there is some gain over the stock drivers. I think that I was able to play Crysis with full specs and full AA says all that anyone REALLY needs to know about the capability of this system in the case of gaming and graphics performance. Actually, I was surprised, because while this card is technically not much more powerful than my HD4850 in my desktop rig, it is able to play Crysis at much, much higher specs. Perhaps the video card manufacturers decided to optimize their drivers for Crysis once it came out?
I just checked the benchmark lists again, and yes, the HD4850 does beat out the 460M in every bench I can see. Weird how these things work - it struggled with Crysis at 1280x1024 with 8xAA and this rig can play it at 1080P.

 

I'm sorry, but I thought the 460m, would be quite a bit better then the 4850, since it is a generation old, I can understand it's a desktop card , but still 2 years is a long time in technology.

 

4096 MB Samsung 9 @ 667 MHz, was the RAM supposed to report at 667? I thought it was 1333MHz memory

 

It's dual-channel DDR, dumild

Mr. Mysterious

 

I suppose I should have clarified I looked at notebookcheck for the benchmarks, so who knows about that. It wouldn't really surprise me that the 4850 could still score higher than the 460M, since mobile graphics cards haven't advanced as quickly as processors have. However, you're right, I'll have to take a guess that the benchmarks they have on there for the 4850 are wrong, since it doesn't make sense that you would have that much better performance from the 460M than the 4850 in game yet have the 4850 score higher. Maybe if the 460M is a low scorer in the synthetics and better in the real life use it could be explained, but I think I'll just disregard what they have in there for benches for the 4850.

And yeah, I though that was odd that it reported the RAM speed at 667MHz, but I doubt it's running at that. However, CPU-Z reports it too. I'll have to look into that. Too bad the BIOS is typical useless notebook crap.
Dual channel doesn't mean that the clocks are halved as far as I knew... or at least I never noticed that... but if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. I know that it reports as it should on my desktop, and it's running dual channel. Unless this is another one of those AMD/Intel differences that I'm not aware of.

 

I tried to upgrade to the latest drivers but it didn't work. What version did you say you got?

 

I got my NP8130 the other day from Pro-Star.com. I ran CPU-z on it and under mainboard tab it says P150HMx. Isn't the NP8130 = P151HM??

Is CPU-z wrong or did they put in the upgradeable mobo in my system?

On another note, sort of unsatisfied with the 460M, I thought it was going to be better. My C2D E7400 with Asus HD5770 CuCore runs Crysis 2 at 6-10 fps faster.
What overclock are you guys running on the 460M? And is about 85-90* C the limit?

 

Welcome to the family. I have been told that sometimes the programs can get it wrong; it would be much more accurate if you were to type in "System Information" in the windows search bar.

I'm sorry...but try as you might, you cannot compare a laptop GPU to a desktop GPU, they're in two totally separate classes, but rest assured that you're getting one of the top mGPUs available right now, and that you have the option of upgrading it sometime down the line.

About the temperatures, I would personally never let my machine even hit 80C under any circumstances....but I'm a bit of an overly careful person, and as long as you stay under 91C, you'll be fine.

Mr. Mysterious