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Hello.

I have connected my laptop to my Onkyo TX-NR709 receiver with a HDMI cable. The TV is a Philips 3D 55PFL7606. When playing 3D-movies it seems like the TV don't recognize the 3D signal. If I turn on 3D manually (for example 3D - side by side) the 3D content is about 70% correct. Yes everything is HDMI 1.4 compatible.

Playing 3D games on the PS3 works great...

I'm a missing software, drivers, settings?

 

Yes it should work. Can you try a different HDMI cable just in case?
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I'm in the same boat as you. Can anybody comment on this?

 

I just had a second BSOD this time while playing Battlefield 3. Both BSODs have occurred after I installed the nVIDIA beta drivers 285.79 a few days ago. I have been able to play the game for hours without a crash since I installed the driver but I am suspicous that it has some connection to the two BSODs I have had since I installed it. I haven't had many BSODs, certainly none for weeks before I installed it, and never two within a few days of each other.

WhoCrashed analysis:

On Mon 11/14/2011 6:29:17 AM GMT your computer crashed
crash dump file: C:\Windows\Minidump\111411-25350-01.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: dxgmms1.sys (dxgmms1+0x31CA1)
Bugcheck code: 0x1000007E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF880071A0CA1, 0xFFFFF8800968C728, 0xFFFFF8800968BF80)
Error: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED_M
file path: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\dxgmms1.sys
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: DirectX Graphics MMS
Bug check description: This indicates that a system thread generated an exception which the error handler did not catch.
This appears to be a typical software driver bug and is not likely to be caused by a hardware problem.
The crash took place in a standard Microsoft module. Your system configuration may be incorrect. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver on your system which cannot be identified at this time.


On Mon 11/14/2011 6:29:17 AM GMT your computer crashed
crash dump file: C:\Windows\memory.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: dxgmms1.sys (dxgmms1!VidMmInterface+0x203E1)
Bugcheck code: 0x7E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF880071A0CA1, 0xFFFFF8800968C728, 0xFFFFF8800968BF80)
Error: SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
file path: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\dxgmms1.sys
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: DirectX Graphics MMS
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a system thread generated an exception that the error handler did not catch.
The crash took place in a standard Microsoft module. Your system configuration may be incorrect. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver on your system which cannot be identified at this time.

 

Well it's definitely DirectX related. Beta drivers can be hit or miss though, so I'd suggest rolling back to the older WHQL version and seeing if that sorts it out. I've had bad luck with this newest set on my P150HM as well, as I'm getting some of the infamous "Driver Stopped Responding" messages while gaming.

 

About your original question, yes an higher bandwidth card such 192bit will always performs better, in terms of 30-40% performance boost.

Having an higher vram doesnt mean anything, and mostly, that sits unused. Thats a subdole trick to get customers advertising the laptop as "gaming beast" while outlining the fact that has more vram.

What they dont tell you is that the bus is strictly crippled, from 192bit to 128bit, but also the ROPS in the card have been cut as well. From 16 to, what, 8? Means another cut to perfomance, not to talk about the crippling factor.

To put under an easy view of the things, lets say that you could have a 128bit bus card with 4gb of vram. Then you could have a 192bit with only a 3gb of vram.
The 3gb version will smack down the 4gb card even in simple task without even raising its clocks to 3d speed lol.

A further comparative would be the SX 128bit gtx560m compared to the SW 192bit (hence "full") gtx460m.

When the crippled 560m in the sx is raised to 900-1600 clocks, it achieves around 14k in 3dmark06.
When the 192bit gtx460m is benched at stock clocks (675-1250) it reaches 14,5-15k in 3dmark06.

Raise the gtx460m to 800-1600 and see how easy it is to break 16k without a hitch. The full gtx560m in the G74SX as an example at 900-1600 (same clocks as the crippled version in the 53sx) breaks 17k barrier.
Hope this helps.

About my choiche to get rid the G53:

Well, the gtx460m is getting old. And the bad news was seeing that as a huge bottleneck with games such Witcher 2, BF3 and Skyrim.

Althought mine was insanely oced, like 840-1600, it keep struggling with scarce performance in those games.

The fact that i was totally unable to upgrade gpu was another reason to sell it asap.

The cooling system is awesome, the structure is a bit bulky, but its stylish and fine built. But thats all.

Also ALL the G-Series have a bug that throttles the cpu with no apparent reason, and youre forced to use ThrottleStop to get rid of it.

Enough to say that Asus keeps on not sorting that issue, and they are aware of it. Their common habit to do things afterall. Do a product and let it die.

- They dont care to upgrade the drivers
- They dont care to fix serious issues such the throttling which is a game breaker for sure
- They dont care about screen quality

Seriously how many peoples i saw with outrageous performance with their new g73-74-53 only to find that their cpu was sitting at 798mhz without reason, even with 40c and idling?

Is that even a professional way to develop and sell a "gaming" machine?

The screen was super crap also. Viewing angles were terrible, colors a bit washed out.

Dont get me wrong i loved the machine once it was working proprely, but it was an hell of a ride. Resorting to all kind of tools made me feel sad because its like im relying on hacks or tweaks to get it working AS IT SHOULD.

I bought a laptop with a good specs only to find that it will not work as advertised? Misleading and incorrect.

Without thinking about it too much, i jumped the gun and i got this p150hmx configured as sig.
The rest is history. Almost the same price range without counting the huge boost and potential i got. Asus can only dream about it.

Their whole G-Series is a fail imho, beside the mighty JH - which had GSOD issue btw, almost 90% of all those produced.
Dont matter how you put it, its a phail everywhere.

 

Ok I'll roll back to 285.62 and wait for the final release of the new driver before installing it. I think that should stop the BSODs.

Cheers Malibal

 

if you are going to be using your laptop mostly for gaming, then i dont think waiting for ib would be much of a difference. sb is more than capable of handling almost any computing task save for high-end video/audio editing and encoding, high level mathematical computations, etc.

however if you are looking for specific teechnologies that come with ib like ssd caching then the wait could be worth it.

if you really want the latest and greatest then wait for the new gpu's in 2012. however you will most probably get ~10% increase or less from present top end models.

 

are you still getting browser crashes when playing flash video?

 

These are indeed my thoughts.

My primary use for the Clevo P150HM powerstation is lots of 3Ds MAX, AutoCad, Maple and Photoshopping. Gaming does cut it too, but its not my primary usage for the machine although it does take up a lot of space in my final decision (even if you consider me being a avid gamer!)

 

my usual advice is to buy it when you need it. from your posts you dont seem to be particularly in a hurry to get a laptop. money also doesnt appear to be an issue and the applications you will be using are still very cpu'centric.

i havent really kept tabs on the new technologies of ib and the new gpu's, but since time and money dont seem to be an issue for you, id wait so you can get the latest and greatest. just keep in mind that there will always be something better around the corner...

 

Spot on mate!

Time and money is no issue, so I think I'll wait until 2012.
Of course, it would be nice to get a new laptop ASAP, but you know, time is money (edit, and the more I save, the better the upgrades I can get in the future)

 

here are some things that MAY appear in ib that would have some significant impact on your usage:
- igp enabled- im not sure if you know this, but the igp in current systems are disabled. with ib we may finally have the igp enabled. aside from the obvious battery improvements, igp video encoding is much, much better than current gpu and cpu encoding by multiple factors.

- increased memory (?) and cpu speed.

- ssd caching- using your ssd on a dual drive system as a cache, effectively increasing system memory. this is not the same as virtual memory. very important if you are dealing with video and photo editing.

- integrated thunderbolt and usb 3 controllers (?)

im sure there are more, but if you are going beyond gaming, ib does have some compelling technology upgrades.

 

Thanks for the tips and info. Why are there two versions of the GTX 560M anyway? Can that card considered the best bang-for-the-buck GPU for gaming laptops?

Is there only one version for the GTX 460M?

Regarding the P150HM, how does it compare with the P151HM? How is H67M better than the H65M, or is it?

 

The 2gb version of the 560m is the 128 bit one, the 1.5 and 3 gb versions are the 192 bit ones (3gb of vram will have little to no improvement over the 1.5gb version).

I don't know if there are multiple versions of the 460m, but the Asus g53sw uses a 192 bit 460m which is almost as fast as the 192bit 560m.

The p150hm also has the hm65 chipset; only the 8170 uses the hm67 chipset.

 

Ok. So what is the difference between the p150hm and p151hm?

 

The p150hm comes with a bigger power adapter by default: 180w instead of 120w. That allows it to accommodate more powerful cards like the 6990m. Also, the p150hm comes with a rubberized finish.

 

Not much as was mentioned. What shows this is that they share the same service manual.

P15xHM-SagerNP8150-8130ServiceManual.pdf
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Indeed, ssd caching is one of the greatest things ib is supposed to have, I also plan on getting either 1 or 2 ssds on my P150HM.

 

I think by far, the consensus now is that the AMD 6990m is the best bang for the buck for laptops. It's a small upgrade cost over the stock cards and it's 2x the power of the 560m (at least).

 

Regarding the finish, is the p150hm's rubber finish better "feeling" than the p151hm's "what kind of?" finish?

And with regards to the chipset, what is the difference between the HM65M and HM67M anyway?

Hmmm, right. But overall, ASUS laptops suck with all the problems they have? They can never beat Sager laptops as of the moment?

What is that extra "1" in the product code of the P151HM1?

 

HM67M allows you to overclock when paired with an XM CPU.

And the finish is up to personal preference. Some people like it, some people don't.

Every brand has their amazing units and lemons. Asus and Sager are no exceptions.

And the 1 is just a naming scheme differentiating the 8130 from the 8150. Pay it no mind, they ARE identical.

Mr. Mysterious

 

Ok, so I'm ruling out the HM67 chipset now. But for ASUS laptops people like Kingpinzero experience things like this:

"About my choiche to get rid the G53:

Well, the gtx460m is getting old. And the bad news was seeing that as a huge bottleneck with games such Witcher 2, BF3 and Skyrim.

Althought mine was insanely oced, like 840-1600, it keep struggling with scarce performance in those games.

The fact that i was totally unable to upgrade gpu was another reason to sell it asap.

The cooling system is awesome, the structure is a bit bulky, but its stylish and fine built. But thats all.

Also ALL the G-Series have a bug that throttles the cpu with no apparent reason, and youre forced to use ThrottleStop to get rid of it.

Enough to say that Asus keeps on not sorting that issue, and they are aware of it. Their common habit to do things afterall. Do a product and let it die.

- They dont care to upgrade the drivers
- They dont care to fix serious issues such the throttling which is a game breaker for sure
- They dont care about screen quality

Seriously how many peoples i saw with outrageous performance with their new g73-74-53 only to find that their cpu was sitting at 798mhz without reason, even with 40c and idling?

Is that even a professional way to develop and sell a "gaming" machine?

The screen was super crap also. Viewing angles were terrible, colors a bit washed out.

Dont get me wrong i loved the machine once it was working proprely, but it was an hell of a ride. Resorting to all kind of tools made me feel sad because its like im relying on hacks or tweaks to get it working AS IT SHOULD.

I bought a laptop with a good specs only to find that it will not work as advertised? Misleading and incorrect."

That would be very bad reputation for the G series.

Lurking here in the Sager section, would everybody automatically recommend a Sager P150HM/P151HM to me instead of other brands? Is that how it works here?

And would it be better to wait for Ivy Bridge?

 

Check put the new msi gaming laptops, I heard they are quite good too.

 

Thanks for the info. But if the Sager/Clevo laptops are better then I'll be vouching for them for my next purchase.

 

I just ordered from Malibal
i7-2630qm
AMD 6990m
8gb ram (4x2gb)
95% gamut glossy screen

I'm so excited

 

Congrats dude

Mr. Mysterious

 

hi. p150hm owner.

i just downloaded the latest synaptics driver in hopes for fixing my issue but it hasn't. Drivers | Synaptics

i can't scroll. simple as that.
i'm not looking for a two finger scroll. i just want to be able to track my finger upwards or downwards and move up/down a document/webpage accordingly.

is there an alternative to the synaptics driver?
is anyone have the same issue as me?

frankly, i don't use the trackpad that often as i'm usually plugged in but for those situations where i do use the trackpad, would be nice to have a functioning scroll.

 

^^This may be offbase, but you do realize that the usual scrolling is limited to a part of the trackpad, namely for up/down scrolling the right edge of the pad, and for left/right scrolling the bottom edge of the pad (it's in the touchpad on-line manual).

 

right.
my up/down scrolling triggered by the right edge of the pad isn't working.

 

I've seen this stop working with the official Synaptics drivers. Have you tried reinstalling the Clevo based drivers first?

ftp://usftp.clevo.com.tw/P15xHM/OTHERS/Touchpad.zip

 

thank you kindly sir.
works like a lumberjack.


for anyone else who has this issue.. (scrolling not functioning)
remove the synaptics device through the control panel.
restart computer.
install the driver malibal linked.
restart computer.
you should be good to go.

 

But latest official drivers are always better and preferred right? Could this just be a bug for the current official drivers?

 

Generally speaking yes the latest official drivers are the ones to try.

However, the ones posted on Clevo's and Sager's websites are tested with these models over time.

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Hey,

[continuing with Battlefield 3 problems in pages before...]

I sometimes get this crash message:



Does this give lead to anything?

 

looks like the system suddenly stopped recognizing the gpu. could be driver related or could be hardware.
are you getting this in bf3 only or even while browsing in flash etc? again try testing with another game or different programs. bf3 is not the game to use for figuring out problems like this.
i also remember you posted a system service exception error a while back. again that could be driver related or hardware.
try going into safe mode and run a virus scan. after that try doinng some videos and surfing in safe mode. if it bsods while on safe mode its porbably h/w.
if that doesnt solve your issues, the only thing short of contacting your reseller would be to do a full install.

 

Are you currently running Beta drivers or stable ones? I'd roll back to the last WHQL release before your current set (or if they're older, update to the newest stable drivers).

 

Which is the best bang-for-the buck Mobile NVIDIA GPU for these Sager laptops?

How about for the CPU?

 

As stated several times before the 6990m is so far the best bang-for-the buck Mobile GPU. But do keep in mind new releases are due Q1 2012, which isn't too far away

Regarding the CPU, I would probably say it's up to oneself.
If you want power, buy the 2670QM or 2760QM, want extreme power? Buy the XM CPU's (I am only familiar with the Intel family) but really a quad-core is way beyond what you actually need. Gaming wise it fits perfectly, hard pressurized CPU-active programs would be better off with the best CPU available.

You could also try to google "best bang-for-the buck CPU" I am sure you will find some decent answers!!

 

I hope you noticed that I capitalized NVIDIA with that specific question

New releases? For Ivy Bridge that is?

 

i think the 485m can be had at a good price now-relatively speaking of course

 

EDIT:

^ that! haha I was too slow Ah my bad


I would personally say that the 485M is the best bang-for-the buck GPU, but unfortanetly it's support isn't that great as it is outdated.

Just to make you understand the current GPU market:
570 < HD6970 < 485 < 580 = HD6990 (approx.)

I mean if cash isn't a problem, the 580M is indeed a good nVidia choice, but besides that if you can find a 485M sold with a Clevo laptop, you should be just fine

And yes ib is supposed to be released 2012 Q1 (as far as I know!)

P.S. It's even stated that the new nVidia 600 series is going to get released 2012 Q1, which still is a rumor but I do have proof to support this statement:
NVIDIA says desktop GPU sales up 23% | PC Gamer

This is only pointed towards the desktop sales, but I would presume that new mobile GPU will be released

 

Thanks for the info. Would the 560M pawn the 485M though?

 

the 485m is about +125% faster than a 560m. if you were actually talking about he 580m, it is ~10% faster than a 485m

also i dont understand what the comment of the poster above meant that the 485m is not supported anymore. afaik its still available.

 

I meant that by the shops, not many laptops are available with the 485m anymore.

 

ah yes, just checked some resllers, they arent selling the 485m anymore for the 8150. theyve replaced it with the 580m which is much more expensive.

 

Oh, I thought the 560M is a better card than the 485M, is it?

Is the 485M higher in price compared to the 560M though? Assuming if it is still available somewhere.

 

No, the 560M is not better than the 485M. And you'll have to look on eBay or on NBR's marketplace to find that card's price.

Mr. Mysterious

 

exactly, it pretty annoying, but I guess that nVidia doesn't want to produce/sell any more of those old series, to basically make people buy their new series, haha I hope that made sense

As clearly stated above, don't let the numbers control you, I'm not completely understood how nVidia's nummerized GPU setting works but apparently, the higher the number in a current series doesn't equal better performance than a lower number in another series. pretty confusing thats why you search for benchmarks ^^

 

Nvidia numbering tends to work like this:

Model numbers are xyz

x= series number. For example, last year was the 4xx series. This year is 5xx. Next year should be 6xx.

y = model number. 1-3 is basically equivalent to integrated, 4-5 are midrange, 6-7 are enthusiast gaming cards, and 8-9 are high end.

z = whatever Nvidia wants. Typically this number is 0. The 485m was the exception because it really wasn't at all related to the 480m. It should have been placed in the 5xx series to make more sense.

When comparing cards, use the y value when you're looking at the same series. The higher y value is the faster card. When comparing cards with the same y values between two differing series (x values, say the 460m versus the 560m)- the newer series is usually faster.

When comparing totally different cards from each series like the 460m to the 580m, you can generally assume that the higher model is probably faster, though benchmark sites like the link below take out the guesswork:

Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List - Notebookcheck.net Tech