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    *** Official Sager NP9175 / Clevo P775TM Owner's Lounge! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. win32asmguy

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    I would likely go with the GTX 1060. I am also looking at some full BGA machines equipped with a 7700hq + GTX 1060 but I am thinking this model could probably handle heat better. So long as the i3-8100 performed similar to the 7700hq I would be happy with it.
     
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    I don't think 8100 handles gaming similar to 7700HQ, but I'm not sure how behind it is either, it is way too new to tell.

    @Prema @Meaker@Sager @Donald@HIDevolution

    They can tell better if 8100 works with the motherboards within P775TM.

    As for GTX 1060, I'm not sure

    Clevo surely handles heat much better than other models I tested to date.
     
  3. Donald@Paladin44

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    We have never had any reason to test an i3 CPU, nor are we likely to since there is no demand for an i3 CPU in the EVOC High Performance Systems P775TM..
     
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    Wow, I almost bought a barebone, and I already have i3-8100. To be honest, I do not think that there are no microcodes for the i3 line in the BIOS, so in fact @Prema ?
     
  5. Meaker@Sager

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    Bit slower than the 7600 i5 and will do OK for gaming.
     
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    I expected as much.

    I wouldnt get it with anything less than 8700K simply because I need that raw power for my work, but since somebody asked, I thought that if anybody has an idea, you might.

    I personally don't recommend anything bellow 8700 either, it will bottleneck the GPU eventually, and the setup is quite expensive overall to get lower power components

    Of course, as many people there are, as many needs there will be, bust still, having more power is always welcome.
     
  7. Qadhi79

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    delidded (ROCKIT 88 Delid Tool + Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut), undervolt and repasted CPU (Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut) and repasted GPU (Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut)

    Idle temps @ 23C room temperature

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for the help. From a little searching I did find someone who used a i3-6100 with a P750DM-G, even though it wasn't listed in the "Processor Options" for the machine's service manual.

    I was thinking the i3-8100 would perform like a 7700hq because it has 4 cores at 3.6ghz - 3.8ghz (turbo), and then maybe I could pick up a faster 6-core processor later this year for a good price once the 8-core ones are out.
     
  9. Z3us_PL

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    Do you heard when 8 core intel CPUs should be released?
     
  10. Meaker@Sager

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    It would still out perform a 7700HQ for consistent high load scenarios. In gaming the boost clocks would give the 7700HQ an edge just I think.
     
  11. nedooo

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    Seems like 95W is a bit over it's head...65W we salute you :)
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Why are you saying that to a picture of idle temperatures?
     
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    possibly end of this year, or early next.

    @Georgel are you getting a 870tm?
     
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    Slowly getting at it, why? :D
     
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    lol slowly? buying parts separately?
     
  16. Georgel

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    Slowly gathering the money, doing the research, ordering it, selling my P775, transferring all my data, probably will need a motherboard + CPU thingy while nthe order is being processed, it will be slowly done :D
     
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    that reminds me, transferring data (my image) from a raid 0 Sata array on legacy, to a new computer that would only recognize raid array PCIE SSDs on UEFI is a massive headache. i end up going for legacy AHCI PCIE SSD and restore image on it instead but thats also a big pain in the ass.
     
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    I wonder about choosing cpu for P775TM. I saw that generally i5 8600K @ 5,0-5,3Ghz is cooler that Oc-ing i7 8700K at the same level. But i thought about non K i7 8700 (to have easier good temps and decent performance). In my old i5 2400 I locked turboboost at all cores @3,4Ghz. Is it possible to locked i7 8700 at all cores @4,7 or at least @4,6Ghz as well? Someone can test it?
     
  19. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    i7 8700 = Max Stock clocks :D
     
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    You can't lock the non-k CPUs to max single core turbo anymore IIRC.
     
  21. ole!!!

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    iirc P775TM has the shared heatsink between CPU/GPU? if that is the case, then i'd recommend getting a 8700k because cooling it would be no problem as heat is going towards 2 fan, as long as your GPU isn't under heavy load you can always have high CPU clock.
     
  22. Saltsi

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    They are not shared any more in this model, they are individual heatsinks now.
     
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    oh bummer. a lot of people dont like shared heatsink but i for one likes it as long as CPU heat goes towards GPU side of things as i am CPU orientated. in this case, 8600k might be a better choice, though you could do the same with a 8700k and disable HT, but no point paying for HT if you're not gonna use it, 8700k only gets you 3MB more L3 cache.
     
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    I feel sorry for people who need to transfer a RAID, seems that is really hard to do
     
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    I need help to cool down the GTX1080.

    The CPU is delidded and stays well within 7xC range under full load.

    GPU (repasted) stays cool during idle and benchmarks but goes all the way up to 91C when using VR or demanding games like PUBG.

    I have tried using ROG GPU Tweak II and MSI Afterburner but the GPU has a mind of its own and the settings don't stick. Would appreciate if someone can guide me to any particular settings or mods to reduce the temperature.

    (The laptop is sitting on a raised cooling pad with three fans directly blowing under the CPU and GPU. There are also two exhaust fans on the back to blow out air from both CPU and GPU vents)

    Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
     
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  26. Georgel

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    More or less normal, don't be bothered by it if you aren't seeing any decreases in performance.
     
  27. Qadhi79

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    There is no performance reduction but I'm concerned about burning the GPU as 90C for 2 to 3 hours straight doesn't seem right. Anyway I can reduce it to lower or mid 80s?

    Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
     
  28. Jumpwired

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    Having taken the GPU side apart almost 10 times... you need to repaste and repad. Recommend 2mm Arctic pads. If you don't see temperature drops then you need to do the paperclip mod. The hs pressure isn't sufficient for good contact with the GPU die.

    My temps never go up above 85C on the normal fan profile in PUBG. That's OC'd at +160/721 using Gelid-Extreme... If I can my LM temps to stick I could get another 2-3C drop. I have zero time now to take it apart, and I'm kinda happy with my current setup.

    I do have to put some LM between the IHS pronto.
     
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  29. Dc_79

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    With that kind of set up would a desktop not of been better?
     
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    So long as you can still pick it up and carry it off then not really.
     
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    I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on the GPU (12.5 W/mk). Ordered the Fujipoly termal pads (17 W/mk) in 0.5mm and 1.0mm size before buying the laptop as I had no idea about the pad size so cant really use them and getting 2mm pads now will take at least 2-3 weeks to reach here.

    Instead of using the paper clip mod, I am thinking of applying the Fujipoly thermal pads 0.5mm on the GPU..sounds crazy but a heat transfer of 17 W/mk (Fujipoly) vs 12.5 W/mk (TG Kryonaut) along with better contact pressure seems workable. No idea if anyone tried this before.

    I travel a lot and my work requires an excellent CPU+GPU and a lot of data (think of all M2 and HDD slots occupied and few external USB 3/USB-C/Thunderbolt disks connected)..and I like occasional gaming specially VR (HTC VIVE) so a normal "portable" laptop or a fixed PC cant really do this all. The cooling pad and exhaust fans don't travel with me :)
     
  32. ole!!!

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    transfer raid isnt hard, going from raid legacy to raid UEFI just need a bit of work. going from raid legacy to AHCI legacy/UEFI is a pain in the ass. single NVMe drive will not be recognized by window OS under raid mode even under UEFI, will need to do a full raid array. only way i can get it to recognize single NVMe drive is using AHCI and even then if its fresh install, thats easy, inject driver during installation and done. migrating OS/cloning is a pain because have to inject driver.
     
  33. Jumpwired

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    Try to just repaste with the stock pads first. Thermal pad on the die won't give you the temps your looking for.
     
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    Okay, my p775tm1 bumped into a problem.
    Was just watching a movie, and suddenly it shut down(felt a little wierd), and when i powered it up it showed me BSOD.
    SO iwent to install the win 10 via usb and each and everytime it stucks at 2% stating "safe os phase error".
    Any help guys?
     
  35. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    The first thing i would test would be RAM.
    Make a bootable USB with this:
    https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm

    Then go for HDDs/SSDs, do you have only one installed or do you have more then drive?
     
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    Tried like 3 diffrent working ram stick(one at a time), tried 4 diffrent storage drive borrowing from my friends, tried 2 diffrent working windows10 iso on different usbs, still no luck sir!

    Btw i created bootable usb via rufus on my friends pc.
     
  37. Saltsi

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    Received my P775TM1 a couple of days ago. What a beast it is, my specs are:
    i5-8600k running @ 4.6Ghz
    Gtx 1070 oc 8gb
    2*8gb g.skill 2800 DDR4, bios XMP setting loaded correct 2800 speed
    Samsung 960 Pro m.2 512gb
    Samsung 850evo 500gb 2,5" SSD
    1440p 120hz b173qtn01.4

    Used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut paste on the GPU, during games GPU is running at 78-80 with auto fans. Cpu is like 75-80 max, but these clocks are enough for now.
    Firestrike score 16366 with cpu 4.6, stock gpu. Graphics score 19227.

    https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14678579

    So quite a beast this one :) , bga-gaming laptops with 1070 seem to get between 13-15k in firestrike.

    Build quality is nice, but the fan noise is quite a lot. Auto / overlock fans in a gaming session do bother me a bit, turning them down to max 70% speed lowers the noise to acceptable levels. Gpu temps with lowered fan speeds are about 82-85, good enough still. With overclock fans the temps drop to around 75.
     
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  38. wyvernV2

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    Congrats brudda!!!!
    (Bought from where? Hid)
     
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    You can create a bootable USB stick the official Microsoft tool:
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

    You can try, if it´s not a installer issue then you might have something bad with your laptop.
    Before RMA try to do a BIOS reset:
    Turn off the laptop, press FN+D+POWER, if it does not work do a "Load Setup Defaults", although i doubt it´s a BIOS related problem.
     
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    CEG-Hardcorecustom, Europe
     
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    did you overclock anything? such as ram on xmp profile, cpu overclocked etc, set everything to default and see if it boots up fine and see if you can get windows installation goes through.
     
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    tried the termal pads first instead of thermal paste..the temperature again reached 91C but this time it was quick to reach these temps and took a while to cool down

    repasted with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and used the paper clip mod..finally the temperatures are not going past 85C after 30 minutes of full load..thats 6C decrease from the previous results.
     
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    Nope, did just "undervolted" 3-4 weeks ago, and thing has been still running nice since then,
    Could this possibly be a motherboard failure?

    Btw i cant do an rma,
    I bought the laptop from usa(avadirect) and now i live in india
     
  44. Jumpwired

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    Thermal pads can't replace good thermal compound.
    Sounds like it worked, paperclip to the rescue.
     
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    have you made any changes to bios settings? try resetting your bios and do a cold restart see if problem still persist. if not proceed to install a fresh window and see if issue comes again. also what kind of error code were you getting during BSOD, and what error code for the window OS installation.

    but honestly google is your friend. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...h/54db0c8f-f9f0-4093-b2fe-ad378685686a?page=1

    i dont have windows 10 so this is your call, try deleting that file, did you recently have windows update on? did anything get updated at all? does your win 10 OS include that file, all sounds messed up to me but its MS with UEFI, where everything goes wrong.
     
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  46. wyvernV2

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    Great!!!!
    My laptop now dosent even boot now, all i see is a scroller at top left corner and the leds go off! Along with the screen!
    This is like worst nightmare come true!

    @Mr. Fox @Papusan
     
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    Thats sucks dude, hope you can figure something out. I personally had issues with BSOD caused by XMP1 and XMP2.

    This is the second P755TM on here with problems. For as much crap as AW got, I was expecting nothing but sunshine and daisies from Clevo. Loving the laptop, but these issues and ****ty GPU temps without modding isn't confidence inspiring.

    It seems like only the P870TM gets any love here.
     
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    Dropped it to local repair shop(they were shocked to see a desktop lga cpu in a laptop,,,ROFL)
    Yea thisis really uninspiring for a clevo user tho, also my good old dm3g died 4-5months ago!
     
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    Lol, i am still 16!
     
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    did you reset your bios? try doing that first. basically we are giving you tips and tricks that might solve your problem without u having to go to repair shop because honestly, when comes to clevo laptops the forum users and good resellers support will know way more, the shop can't even compare.

    ontop of that, clevo laptop its hard to find parts because they dont sell them, so even if they want to try replace something and blind test, they dont have access to it.
     
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