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***** now i can´t remove it properly, stays a strain in the copper coller.......how can i clean this? i google it but it´s hard to find something.....with alcohol doesn´t work.......

 

Just clean it as good you can. Won't make the big difference for the cooling. You can if you want sand it carefully with 2000/3000 grit sandpaper. The best working cleaner... http://www.performance-pcs.com/indigo-xtreme-clean.html

 

Jesus Christ......if i knew this i wouldn´t put it in the first place........look to the Thermal Grizzly email reply "acetone should help to clean most of the liquid metal. If you want to RMA a CPU and can't read searial number or batch anymore it can help to use a 10% solution of hydrochloric acid and swipe your CPU several times. Be careful though doing that and wear the approriate safety gear such as goggles and gloves." .... I´m not a chemist....isn´t there any other way of taking this out without scratching the surface? i saw this vídeo could this help? is this compound similar to the one used to take out scratches from cars?

 

Unfortunately it does not work. I have made such settings. Maybe my bios is broken (Version: 1.05.04TDES, KBC.EC: 1.05.03, ME 11.8.50.3399)
Maybe I need to upload older bios?

When I highlight "power limit 1", description appears on right side and it says that "Value must be between Max and Min Power Limits". It does not make sense to me

 

Ok.......finally i have a solution......i used the polish method, i can tell you that the copper looks like a mirror now, after a couple of hours i clean it all, give me a lot of work........now let´s go for the CPU.........i only made a last clean with isopropyl alcohol just to be sure that even the polish that i used is cleaned also on the copper cooler..........but i can assure you that the "polish" method works.....

 

Yeah, stock BIOS has a hardcoded limiter which seems to be in 95W region for your CPU model while it is 118W for its bigger brother. OCCT put's an unusual high load on the CPU, so it hits it early on. In RL usage you should be able to maintain higher clocks...

 

Could someone please tell me the max CPU, GPU, and CPU+GPU temps after undervolting a delidded 8700K + a GTX 1080 at max load? @Papusan @Donald@HIDevolution


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It varies from sample to sample down to exact fit of the cooler and the chip along with the calibration of the internal sensors.

 

I know, but I'm looking for a rough figure I can use as a benchmark.


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A perfect application and delid should lower temps by around 20C on the CPU.

 

Ok, thanks. What about full load on the GPU (GTX 1080) in this chassis?


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Depends on the clocking behavior. The 1080 so long as it's not totally power restricted will use any thermal headroom to clock higher instead.

In the split heatsink config it should not make too much of a difference when the GPU is loaded however.

 

Ah ok. Thanks again.


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This OCCT "thing" is very bad for testing in my opinion. I swap to Prime95, and on the same settings in BIOS as you wrote earlier, CPU goes to 118W with no problem, and hitting thermall throttling. I think that maybe intel put some protection which detects OCCT. Ok then, my next move is delid .

 

So I just got my fastest Firestrike Benchmark -- 21813

Finally had my LM GPU repaste stick earlier this week, took a ****load of balancing and double paperclip mod. We also have a cold advisory in effect

#5 Fastest Firestrike 8700k and mobile GTX1080 in the world. Thank you @Mr. Fox @Johnksss @Prema for the motivation. PM870TM what?



And I'll be happy to accept this award... Do I now receive the Prema BIOS as a prize? Heh.

 

:OOOOOO

 

Good GPU score!

I have yet to release the PremaMod for your model to Partner, THX to Intel no one has it yet.
Mr Fox used the same firmware as you in the 15" (also stock vBIOS) in that run as it was a test unit provided by a non Partner Shop as well.

 

You are talking about P775TM? Will it also be available for Dream Machines? I will be first who will buy this bios

 

Yes, all Partner Shops are getting it as soon as Intel says go on a Spectre v2 fix.

 

Hopefully the new micro code won't cause any restarts or BSODs

 

The main reason for they haven't pushed out new yet. Would be terrible for Intel's reputation if they screwed up a second time

 

Thanks, could definitely work on the CPU side now. Looking forward to seeing what can be done.

 

Worse if they take so long they leave massive holes...

 

I'm sure they would throw out all they have of alpha/beta emergency fixes if the web was flooded of attacks against the new security issues.

 

Ok ive decided P775tm1 is what im ordering on the 21st of this month. I was going to order a P751 MR fox has swayed me to get something with better cooling, i was really worried about temps. Plus, i wanted something in between 1080P, and 4K. Without scaling issues, and tiny font. Theres also unsteady gameplay performance of under 40 fps sometimes with 4k.

I also needed more screen real estate for doing professional cad work and projects in school

Ive stayed under budget with this build. Ive read good things about this TN panel. And bad things. There is no such thing as a perfect laptop display. It does not exist yet. I think everyone wants a 1440P HDR 144Hz 100% adobe rgb gsync panel lol. Unfortunately its not available. There pretty close with desktops. But there will always be that new feature thats not available, in the near perfect panel that has most of the options.




P775TM1-G Z370 Eurocom X7C
1440P G-sync TN panel 120Hz
Add Gsync capabilities
Intel i5 8600K 3.6Ghz
Delid CPU, + unlocked bios
gtx 1080 8GB mxm gpu
2x8gb ddr4 2400mhz
Windows 10 home 64bit
1tb 7200rpm hdd mechanical
Intel AC 9260 1.67gbps/BT 5.0


Total cost $2,250 USD

Is it possible to run 4.6Ghz on all 6 cores with delid, some mirror finish lapping, and good thermal paste?

 

You will find that an SSD improves your experience dramatically.


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Ive already bought a m.2 nvme 960 evo from newegg for $110 to go in it. I want 2 in raid 0. But, its stretching my budget.

Eurocom was asking $250 for the same thing.

I would have the storage drive removed as well but, they only take $35 off the price, so its worth keeping it in the build.

Im being cheap lol.

This is alot of money for me anyways. My first expensive laptop.

 

Great! Hope you enjoy your laptop.


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8600k delidded vs 8700 NON K
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Which option?

8600K W/ delid $2,284

8700 NON K/ NO delid $2,200

 

I’m sure OS tweaker @Phoenix will advise you to go for Win 10 Pro instead for Home And Congrats with proper tool. LGA machine

 

Why choose Windows Pro over Home?

So you have access to the Group Policy Editor

As you may be well aware, Windows 10 although boasts great support for new hardware and is required to make the most out of your new hardware especially newer CPUs which are not supported on previous OSes like Windows 7 anymore, it has its quirks and privacy invasion like automatically sending your keystrokes, displaying ads, telemetry, and much more.

While there are many utilities out there such as O&O ShutUp10 that help you eliminate most if not all of the nasty stuff, the Home Edition lacks one very important feature which is the Group Policy Editor. Think of it as flying on an airplane, do you want to be the passenger or the pilot in control? That's exactly what the Group Policy Editor enables you to do, be in control of how your OS behaves.

Examples of things you can disable / enable easily with the Group Policy Editor:

1) Turn off file history completely (this is a useless feature which Microsoft is phasing out in its next build but you can still disable it now)

2) Disable / Prevent your computer from joining a Home Group (Home Group is a crippled way of sharing files that rarely works if ever, one is better off manually selecting the folders that he wants to share and giving them appropriate permissions by right clicking on that folder and navigating to the Sharing tab)

3) Disable Windows DVR (Gameplay Recording Mode). If you have that enabled which is the default state, then Steam warns you that it may hamper your game play/performance so its best to turn it off completely using the Group PolicyEditor). You can do this in the Home Edition but it requires a lot of complex registry edits which are time consuming. There are better tools to record game play such as nVIDIA's Shadow Play or better yet, a program by Mirillis called "Action!"

4) Turn off Microsoft Consumer Services

5) Turn off Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program

6) Completely disable Windows Defender and not have it re-enable itself if you are wanting to install your own AntiVirus since Windows Defender bogs down the system's performance by as much as 36% according to the latest AV Comparatives Performance Test: http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php?chart=chart4&year=2017&month=10&sort=1&zoom=2

7) Disable Windows Driver Updates through Windows Updates

8) Turn off the Windows Explorer Notification about new apps that can handle new extensions. By default, every time you install a new application that can handle an extension, let's say, a new video player or an internet browser, etc. you get an annoying popup telling you that you have installed a new application that can handle these extensions

9) Disable Windows Error Reporting, that never does any good and only eats a lot of space writing the details of background errors. Microsoft has never in its history fixed any of these reported errors so why keep this useless service enabled on your system and creating unnecessary writes to your SSD?

10) Disable unwanted features such as Windows Ink, biometrical features, etc.

11) Disable automatic downloading of map updates (who needs map updates on a laptop? this is not a GPS device /phone)

12) Turn off Work Folders (this is used in corporate environments and not needed for home or power users)

and much more, these are just some of the things you can control with the Group Policy Editor.

 

Wow, ok i think im getting windows 10 pro lol. I had no idea.

I will read a guide to optimize it.

Is anyone using the 780watt power brick? I know it will offer zero advantage over the standard 330 watt. But, it displays the wattage readouts and amperage. This is awesome. Plus, it looks to be much higher quality. Id be curious to see power usage during different scenarios. And it offers that.

 

NBR Windows 10 Clean Installation Guide
Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
O&O ShutUp10 - Do not use Windows 10 without it!
Macrium Reflect Installation/Usage Guide

If you don't to the above, then j00 will turn into this >>>

 

No

Saved yet another soul

 

Is he drowning in the windows 10 water?

 

HOME

 

Joining the P775TM gang (from AVADirect)~ So from reading this thread the jist is delid, do the paperclip mod, re-paste if you went stock, and all should be well? Im going with the i5-8400 for now since its on par with the 7700K and it will stay frosty within its own right but since work has delid kits im totally doing it all so 1070 can also run cooler.

I do have three curiosities though... is FHD to 4K panel upgrade worth it just for the color reproduction in the future? The 6bit in the P670 was "just ok" and asides from that whos the best for bios sourcing since I unfortunately did not buy from a prema partner (sorry xotic but you didn't let me pick an i5-8400) is XMG still the one to go to for this model?

I also have access to minus8 pads or fujipoly so whats the optimal pad thickness to go with with paperclip in mind?

Im trying to set this all up before the laptop even ships so day 1 it can be golden out of the gate since I have to open it to install all my drives anyway

 

Does anyone have any idea where PCH is located?

 

The PCH should be under the keyboard frame next to the ram dimms and cmos battery on the topside of the laptop. This is the DM3 but it should be roughly the same

 

Eurocom has 25% off with any msi or alienware trade in.

Its such a deal, i went and found a working $80 dollar alienware on craigslist to mail in to them. Just saying..

It doesnt matter how old it is, only needs to work.

You can get a SLI (2) gtx1070's, P870TM1-G for like $2600 with a 8600k and 32GB of DDR4. Thats a beast!

There is no limitation.. its 25% off any laptop whether it cost $1,000 or even $9,000

Im building and ordering a P775TM1-G my self on the 21st of this month.
Sure, its not a prema bios. I wish it was.. but, thats the difference in being able to afford a mid level gpu, and a top end gpu. Or getting $800 off of a $3,200 laptop. And its only $2,400. Better hardware will outweigh anykind of bios mod. And you coukd always add a Prema bios to it. Which im going to do for sure.

I wish i could spec out the system i want from hidevolution, they have the best options. But its not in my budget. And i would have to go for a gtx1070 or less.

 

Unfortunately I only have Clevo laptops...plus the new baby is already in parts allocation~


(Im re-using ram and drives from current machine and have 9260s here so those parts dont matter)

However...I may add 8700k later in month and its cheaper to add the 4K Panel yourself so...thats also being ordered. Final configuration price with exactly what its going to have is scary.

 

Thats an awesome laptop for the money! Post pics whenever you get it. Id like to see the panel. i5 8400 is exactly what i would get to save more money, but usually only 8600k is the cheapest option. I wish more vendors offered the i5 8400.

I would just roll with the i5 8400 until Z370 refresh comes out. The i7 9700k most likley.
That thing is blazing FASSTTT over last gen quad cores.

Avadirect is great btw!

Im very curious to see your ips panel when u get it!

Cant wait to order mine!

 

In multi threaded apps they are very quick, they can be a little slower in 1-4 threaded tasks however.

 

Got my unit. This is miles ahead of my current laptop (ASUS x556u: i5-6200u, 12Gb of DDR3L,
Samsung 850 EVO 500Gb).

What can I do to add information to the thread (setting, benchmarks, etc.)? I could do them over the weekend.

 

Feel free to post up benchmarks, temps during them and any other related info.

 

@Meaker@Sager

Could you specify the benchmarks, I am new to this.

 

3dmark is a good place to start, get the latest and run the tests like firestrike.

 

3DMARK Time Spy 1.0 Score

4 417 with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 (Notebook)(1x) and Intel Core i7-8700K Processor
Graphics Score 4 134
CPU Score 7 232
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25166708

CPUID Monitor Temps

CPU 82c

GPU 83c


SAGER Control Center Settings

Profile: Entertainment
FAN Automatic

Stock Voltage on CPU and GPU

 

I think your own reasoning. moreover if you have the possibility to be able to hunt as quickly as possible the air (u3 mod coolermaster) you have the best result because both are dissipated properly that is the strength of the unified heatsink.After many tests I have 4 profiles with trottlestop respectively 4.2ghz / 4.5ghz / 4.7ghz / 4.8ghz in a session of the wicther 3 particularly stressful scenario I have temp of 66 degrees on gpu and 67/68 on cpu. I have 7700k delid and undervolt of the gtx 1080 and cooler master u3mod. But I still doubt if the p775tm heatsink would have better temps. Surely I perceive that I have better temp on the cpu side, but the gpu block is quite small to deal with a gtx 1080 to 180w alone. I did the tests with my gtx 1080 with and without undervolt and there is a difference of 10/12 degrees in the worst case scenario, and once again I would have 76/77 in full power (180w without undervolt) a scenario that surely I would not see with the separate heatsink (users have also reported temp of 90 degrees). So basically the unified sink is very good at managing both in full power as long as you create a constant airflow with the addition of delid + undervolt + u3cooler mod. But I would like to know my scenario with the p775tm heatsink on the gpu side. I'd like to know your experience if you bought one.