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Yes am just wondering if anyone has tested this and what actually works. These are desktops chips running low power ram. I'm really eyeing a 3200 kit, which I know the chip will support on the desktop side, but don't know about this.

 

"...the spread..."? I don't know what you mean.

 

I wanted to say that the @Prema BIOS has already been released, and you are installing it to your customers?
I ask because I have certain reasons for this.)

 

Yes if you go the BIOS timings controls you can set it to use custom/SPD/XMP.

 

Yes, the Prema BIOS has been released for the EVOC High Performance Systems P750TM1 and EVOC High Performance Systems P775TM1 with nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 GPU’s. We began reaching out to our customers to flash it for them remotely last week.

The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 version should be released shortly.

 

Thanks for information, still waiting.

 

Have you tried to put on an old heatsink from DM2/DM3 model to TM? Does it fit with no mods?
In my model, afetr delid and uV -120, at 6x4,3 i have in RUST 50-55 C, but GPU side on ultra settings is fighting at ~75 and its noisy. I think that connected heatsink would be better. What do you think?

 

Received my laptop today but somehow the CPU (8600K) is stuck at a staggering 800 Mhz

In bios the setting of the multiplier is set to 43.

Any ideas?

 

What is your windows power setting and clevo control center power setting?

 

Got it sorted... Some loony from the factory applied a 0,10v limit to the CPU. Changed that and now it runs 4.1Ghz at 76 degrees. Problem I'm facing now is that the CPU is not reverting to a slower pace when idle.

 

Hi guys, super new here! I have been looking for a new laptop as my old one is starting to fail (ROG G73JH) and considering 8 years already, so it's reasonable time retirement haha. After numerous hours of searching for different models, I believe these 86 pages topic inside this forum have provided me confidence in purchasing a P775TM1. However, I am quite a novice in custom building a laptop (as this will be my first time) therefore would like to get some opinions from you fine folks.

I will mainly use for movies, gaming (PUBG, Dota 2) and VR a little later. I currently live in Hong Kong and am planning to order from HIDevolution since it seems comments from their services are quite good also world wide warranty is a important. Plus the Perma bois too. The question is what you guys think about the below specs. Of couse, stability and temp is super important as I definitely had overheating problems before.

- 17.3" 3K QHD (2560x1440) AUO 120Hz - 5ms - LED Matte Type Display - w/ nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology (B173QTN01.0)
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 w/ 8GB GDDR5 X - NVIDIA G-Sync Enabled

- HIDevolution Delidded - Unlocked, Under Volted and Overclocked 8th Generation Intel Core i7-8700K 6 Core-12 Thread Processor, 4.7 GHz (HIDevolution Overclocked to 4.8GHz)
or
- Silicon Lottery Binned, Delidded and Tested, Factory Overclocked 8th Generation Intel Core i7-8700K 6 Core-12 Thread Core Processor, 4.7 GHz (HIDevolution Overclocked to 4.9GHz, rated to 5.1GHz)

-Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut + Gelid GC Extreme on CPU, Gelid GC Extreme on GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
- 32GB (2 x 16GB) G.SKILL Ripjaws Series Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz
- 2 X Samsung 960 EVO 250GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD ( Without RAID, any comments?)
- 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive
- Intel® Wireless-AC 9260 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0
- Genuine Windows® 10 Pro, 64bit (Since I read that Phoenix had some awesome tweaks)

Can't decide if the silicon lottery binned and tested will be worth the extra money. Also, would it cause further overheating problems.

One more regards is I see they have 2 options for the screen with the same explanation but with $100 difference (B173QTN01.0 vs B173QTN01.4). I tried to search online but I can't find the difference. Also, 4K is not necessary right?

Seems my post is a bit long winded but hope you guys can help this noob through the final stages for this purchase!

Thanks in advance!!!

 

If you can live with a TN panel... Go for it. I received my laptop yesterday and ordered from Gaming Guru in Leipzig Germany as they have the 17'3 inch IPS panel version. Not the cheapest solution but cheaper and safer then replacing the panel myself. For me the IPS panel was leading as I do a lot with photography. Furthermore I needed 4Ghz + for flight simming. This laptop does both and temps under stress testing at 4.1Ghz reach 75 degrees. I will do some performance tweaking specifically for for the flight sim as it is less taxing the CPU. In a month or so I will let the CPU be delidded and upgraded with LM so I can hopefully get tpo 4.4 Ghz.

 

Very right choice!!!

And yes, a non silicon binned isnt necessary for you!

 

Also, for screen, B173QTN01.0 is a gsync screen, while later is a non gsync, so i would suggest going for gsync one!

And yes, 4k isnt necessary, not for gaming.

If you're going to game only, 16gb of 2800mhz ram would be more then enough for it!

Also, if you're going to get it to hong kong, dont forget to buy the hidevolution global warranty!

 

Your configuration looks good...assuming you have a good reason to want 2x 256GB M.2 drives not in RAID. Could you please clarify this?

The Silicon Lottery cherry picked binned CPUs will almost always run cooler than non binned. The point is they have to cherry pick the coolest running silicon to be able to overclock them to 5.1GHz and 5.2GHz. So, if you want the coolest running CPU, the get the Silicon Lottery...and possibly don't overclock it. The bottom line is, if you do want to overclock, the Silicon Lottery CPUs can be overclocked more and will run cooler clock for clock.

The .0 screen has what is being called the "banding issue" which most people find not much of an issue at normal viewing distance. The .4 screen does not have this issue, but it also does not support G-Sync. I can tell you that since we started offering the .4 screen as an upgrade, 90% of our systems are still sold with the .0 screen. You can read more about it here - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-606#post-10376153

Please feel free to email me at [email protected] for details on the Notebookreview discount, and any other questions you might have.

 

1) As you mentioned, HIDevolution has a global warranty so you're good to go there as the global warranty covers the shipping costs back and forth should anything go wrong with your machines. When I needed warranty support, they sent me a courier guy to my door step to collect my system without me even having to leave my home! You don't get that kinda convenience even with local warranties.

2) You are right, without the Prema BIOS, don't even think of a Clevo Machine, they would throttle and are severely limited by the stock Clevo BIOS so the Premma BIOS fixes that and opens up the door to overclocking *if you want to learn how to tinker with it yourself in the future* and a lot more

3) Definitely go for the Silicon Lottery one ESPECIALLY since you're an international customer. That way, you are sure to receive a good CPU that doesn't overheat be it on stock or overclocked speeds. The last thing you want is to order your laptop, wait a long time to get it, only to discover that it's good but the temps are not to your liking, then what are you gonna do? you'd have to either remove the CPU, sell it, and buy another one and hope for the best (which is a big hassle anyway) or get a good CPU from the get go like Silicon Lottery ones. Time is money buddy..

This is when I had my 6700K on my first Clevo machine......I kicked myself for not ordering the Silicon Lottery CPU from the get go

First system I had was a barebone Clevo P870DM-G with a 6700K that couldn't even run stable at 4.2 GHz x4 (on all cores that is). Next system which was a Eurocom Sky X9 also had a 6700K, this time a bit better, it was able to do 4.3 GHz stable.

I have seen many users here complain about high temps even at stock speeds. The 6700K is a hit or miss, 50-50 chance to get a good one. Even if you don't want to overclock, spending a bit more to get a Silicon Lottery one ensures your CPU will run cooler overclocked or not. Giving you better thermals and longevity since the CPU won't be running hot constantly.

This Silicon Lottery CPU I got (rated to run @4.8GHz in a desktop) can run @ 4.7 GHz not very stable or 4.6 GHz stable all day long with max temps of 85C no matter what I throw at it.

Now some may argue that it is a waste and just rely on luck maybe you'll get a good CPU, while that COULD happen, I take no chances anymore.

4) Change that Intel card to the Killer 1535 as Intel cards have sucky range! See: Killer Wireless-AC 1550 Review

5) RAID or not, as a normal or even power user, you won't notice a difference in performance because RAID increase Sequential Read/Write speeds significantly but not so much if any at all benefits for the small files like 4K random reads/writes which make up the OS, programs etc.

6) For the screen, you MUST get the B173QTN01.4 as it has the vertical line banding issue fixed!

Why do I personally do RAID then? simply because I want to combine the space of my two Samsung 960 PRO 2TB SSDs into a large 4TB partition then split it into C: 300GB for Windows and the rest for D: to install the games and copy my large video collection

Don't forget to email [email protected] and tell him the specs that you chose and your NBR forum username so you could get the NBR discount

 

Does anyone know where I can get this model in the UK/companies that sell this model in the UK? This is my first gaming laptop and I'm hoping to buy it come graduation, but having difficulty finding one in the UK (amazon doesn't help). I know HIDevolution does global, but I'm not sure if I can afford their configs with global warranty I saw that XoticPC also does them in a more affordable pricing I can do, but without any global warranties. Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

I have gotten 3 seperate opinions here with regards to the screen options and I am unsure which is the optimal since HID actually even offer 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) IPS LED Antiglare Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology. I am reading IPS is the newer display and suppose to be better in colors plus viewing angles but it does have lower response time (right?). For my purpose, which of these 3 options should I be leaning towards. I believe my viewing distance is around 1.5-2 feet away from the monitor so the banding issue for the .0 should be minimal or non-existence? However, the .4 does not have the banding issuse but will that be worth it over the having G-Sync?

For the RAID, I read that it does not really improve on the performance so I thought I wouldn't really need it. Like I said, I am quite a noob but from what Phoenix said for combining the 2 SSD sounds very good. Would that be in the RAID0 configuration? Since I would like to have that on my coming laptop.

Great input as this is critical for me with regards to the stability and temp. Can I assume even if overclocking on the CPU that HID will be able to provide a sensible temp (not 90+) for my computer? Any test figures can be provided for the range or max temp? Also, I assume it would not be difficult to adjust the overclocking if necessary afterwards by myself. (Sorry for this as I have never done it before)

For the Memory, since I been reading the "standard" gaming is about 16GB so I just thought getting a little more couldn't hurt haha. So, I might stick it out with 32GB since I am hoping to use this computer longer than the pervious one (8 years!). Then my question would be is it necessary to upgrade to 2800Mhz instead 2666MHz for the performance?

Yes, actually I did read up on the Wireless cards previously and I did see if getting a Killer Card it must be N1535 otherwise get intel. So your suggestion was already in mind and now I don't need to pounder.

 

Before you do anything, either get it from a Prema Partner or don't. You will regret it big time later if you didn't get it from a Prema Partner in order to have the Prema BIOS on it.


Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Restores user ability to overclock or underclock the CPU
• Restores user control over CPU power settings (voltage, watts, amps) for optimal performance and/or thermal efficiency
• Restores ability to control non-turbo CPU core ratio
• Restores ability to control CPU c-states and p-states
• Restores ability to control BCLK (northbridge) and FCLK (System Agent) frequency
• Restores ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology functionality
• Restores ability to disable Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX) functionality which is intended for software developers who want to use that feature and causes erratic system behavior
• Restores ability to control RSR, Watchdog Timer, ASPM, ACPI sleep and hibernation functionality
• Restores ability to control RAM timings, clock speeds and enables the utilization of XMP profiles
• Restores ability to control selection of Legacy, UEFI and CSM to install whatever operating system is desired
• Restores ability to control CPU-based DEP, AES (encryption) and Virtualization
• Restores ability to control GPU scaling, PCIe speed and power management features
• Restores control over Thunderbolt and USB 3.1 configuration
• Restores control over SATA port configuration and Intel LPM. Having the ability to disable drive ports allows exclusive control over what drive receives the BCD/boot sector, system and recovery partitions during Windows Setup and eliminates the need to physically remove non-OS drives when installing a new OS.

 

Tough decision, I know...but remember what I said..."since we started offering the .4 screen as an upgrade, 90% of our systems are still sold with the .0 screen."

If you want 512GB of M.2 SSD then do it either with a single drive, or with 2x 256GB M.2 SSDs in RAID 0

Under full stress benchmarks, and actual gaming for at least an hour (great duty for the technicians...they love it ) the max temperature spikes were in the mid to high 80's for both the Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080. You are not buying a Tesla here...this is a Ferrari.

And, since it is a Ferrari...with the magic of the Prema BIOS...yes, you can adjust anything you like. But, please watch some YouTube videos, and study up on the Prema BIOS benefits and how to use them here on this forum.

I have my opinion on this, but other than to say most people couldn't tell the difference in their everyday use, I will leave this one for the other members here to share their opinions.

As you ponder, if you have more questions, really, please feel free to email me at [email protected] or email me your phone number and I can call you between 5:00 PM and 2:00 AM GMT - Monday through Friday - to discuss any other questions you might have.

 

let me chime in briefly from a non-technical perspective. First, I absolutely love the 1.4 screen. It has lush rich colors and I don't notice any screen tearing in games like Destiny 2.

Second, I would go silicon lottery if I had it to do over since idle temps are higher than I want to see when not using a laptop cooler (~47-50). Now, my model is the P870TM1 so you may see even higher temps in the 775 without a lottery chip due to the chassis difference.

Lastly, get from a prema partner! The amount of tuning options are worth their weight in gold to manage performance vs temps...seriously.

I'm a noob, but I'm a happy noob.

 

One thing you have to remember... Phoenix go always after biggest possible (NVMe) ssd's in Raid0.
I would go with minimum single 512GB. Put in the second afterwards (for extra single storage or Raid0) or buy 2 of them right now.

Not very smart ccupy 2 of the M.2 ssd slots with small drives. I’m sure you will fill them up faster than you think. Short thinking can be expensive. As well you may regret it afterwards. You will need to replace both, if you want more storage later (run it in raid0).

If you are concerned about Cpu temp... With a binned cpu (some is able to run cooler than other), you know what you will get. And from what I read... You will keep it for +6 years.
A binned cpu will normally oc higher and run with lower temp vs. if you lost in the silicon lottery (you got a hot running cpu with less oc ability). You never know how you want run your computer in the future. The 2 most important parts in laptops... Maxed out Cpu and max Performing graphics. Pick the best.

If the ram choice was 2800Mhz vs. 2133MHz it would be a very easy choice. 2800MHz.

Edit. I forgot to add Intel i7-8700K Coffee Lake Memory Benchmark Analysis

 

This may seem dumb but...after removing the two K/B screws how do I pop open the darn thing to access wifi/ram under kb?

edit: I got it~ Also the interior box says the laptop was designated for Pro Star and S/N even starts with PS even though it was from AVA (has AVA Badging too ) so that I find amusing.

 

Pc specialist sell it.

 

You can also order from eurocom.com and get 10% Student discount that they offer to all students worldwide.

 

actually, that depends on your idle voltage. 50c sounds absurd unless your room temp is high. if you're using static voltage even with CIE on, idle voltage will mostly be on load voltage and bringing up idle temp. what is your idle voltage and idle clock?

 

I'm running the stock overclock/undervolt from HIDEvolution (4.8MHz, -50mW) Room temp is 72F (22C). Right this moment, with no cooler under it and running the Overclock fan setting in CCC all cores are showing approx 45-46C, so it does appear to be idling better. That may be due to the paste finally acclimating or seasoning or whatever it's called. Not sure which app to use to find voltage. Maybe it's just a bum chip for temps since it wasn't a lottery chip.

 

undervolt and delid etc are of their own thing, what does hwinfo64 show for your idle voltage, which should tell us if you're on static or adaptive.

 

Not sure what I'm looking at here but the voltage keeps jumping around (VID).

 

something that looks like this, the sensor table i guess
https://static.filehorse.com/screenshots/benchmarking/hwinfo-screenshot-03.png

 

Just click on the Sensors tab when you open Hwinfo64.

 

Oh, ok. I'll check it in the morning, getting pretty late here and I'm still packing for Spring Break. Thanks for helping, guys.

 

That is normal if you set it to adaptive.

My CPU (8600K) is running 4.1Ghz at max 73 degrees under stress test. For now this speed does the job well and only time will tell if I want to delid and repast it with LM.

 

no, should be the other way around. if you set it to static, unless you have OS control then even your idle voltage will be the same as load voltage you set, means high idle voltage high temp. with adaptive if you turn on cstate then voltage should just drop when core not in use.

unless you're talking about voltage jumping all over the place for adaptive.

 

Ok, this is what shows for Sensors.

 

What software/settings are you using to get yours to run those clocks? Mine runs into a power throttle when I push past 4.7, and I'm at -100mV. Doing anything in the bios doesnt work for this thing, and XTU doesn't apply settings either.

 

This is simply Prema Bios v2 but it's also a p870tm1 and not a 775. We kinda thread-jacked here a bit.

 

The 8xx and 7xx systems do have different power limits.

 

Anyone have flashme.bat for the XMG bios to do full flash? Its missing from the latest bios zip and i dislike afuwin. They only have afuwin flashing bat... So the readme is lying.

 

You can probably substitute in one of the older ones, open it to check and change file names if needed.

 

Thanks~ Ive noticed now fan rpm past 30% introduces an incredible amount of pulsing vibration in the chassis that you can feel. Normal? Is there fan upgrade somewhere? =/
Resonance seems to be greatest at the HDDs (both 7mm drives with 9.5mm foam in chassis and ssd spacers) so...gotta use the 7mm foam pack maybe? CPU fan is the start of it though...its vibrating chassis decent bit.

I also won the foxconn lottery...woo.

 

I want to thanks everyone for their comments! I have decided on my dream machine and will be making the order by tomorrow. I jsut want to share with you all on what I have decided on.

- 17.3" 3K QHD (2560x1440) AUO 120Hz - 5ms - LED Matte Type Display - w/ nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology
- 30 Days Zero Defective Pixel Warranty (perfect panel guarantee)
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 w/ 8GB GDDR5 X - NVIDIA G-Sync Enabled
- Prema Custom BIOS - Latest Updated Version once available
- Silicon Lottery Binned, Delidded and Tested, Factory Overclocked 8th Generation Intel Core i7-8700K 6 Core-12 Thread Core Processor, 4.7 GHz (HIDevolution Overclocked to 4.9GHz, rated to 5.1GHz) (Thermal Grizzly Conductonau)
- Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut + Gelid GC Extreme on CPU, Gelid GC Extreme on GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
- 32GB (2 x 16GB) G.SKILL Ripjaws Series Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz
- no RAID
- Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,200 MB/s Read-1,900 MB/s Write
- 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s Hard Drive
- Killer™ Wireless-AC N1535 802.11 ac/a/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 4.1
- Genuine Windows® 10 Pro, 64bit, English - no license key provided
- 1 x 8 cell battery - 82Wh
- Onkyo Speakers x 2 + Subwoofer
- Customizable Gaming Macro Back-lit Keyboard
- 1 Year HIDevolution Limited Global Warranty
- 1 Year HIDevolution Limited U.S. Warranty + LIFETIME HIDevolution Technical Support

I will try to update some stats and info once I have received this!

Special thanks to @Donald@HIDevolution for all his assistance!

 

The 1080 and 1440p 120hz panel are such a nice combo Enjoy!

 

Is there any diffrence between P775dm2 and dm3 heatsinks? I found dm2 version on ebay. I want to try connected heatsink in P775TM.

 

I have successfully murdered my I5-8400 delidding it so I picked up a 8700 today and also delidded it. I want to stick within 65w skus because I want to use the 230w psu on longer trips~ and i am pushing lowest fan speeds possible. Solid spacers coming tomorrow so will see how resonance goes~ I also did the paperclip and toothpick fulcrum mod to the GPU and CPU and holycow.....18c drop on GPU with same paste long-term is insane. (Tested TW3 Maxed for 1 hour) I will note 8700 fell to 49-50c the same temp 8400 did even delidded but in Aida64 SST Delidded/Custom IHS 8400 was 64c Stock was 74c and Delidded/Custom IHS 8700 was 71c all with -140mv offset. Due to the temps of the 8400 and 1070 in this case I believe with a lower end cpu (so basically i3 or 8400 only) that using the unified DM2/3 heatsink to spread the heat of the gpu out to both fans at the expense of a slightly hotter cpu is a good experiment.

DM3/DM2 Heatsinks are identical but if you have higher end cpu with higher end gpu heat can be a problem with the unified design

 

I am seeking a new laptop and narrow down to either P775TM1 or P870TM1.
Can anyone own these laptop give me an advise should I go with GTX1070 or GTX1080, how's temp. on these laptop under heavy load.

 

Whats this paperclip mod you speak of and what GPU do you have? I would love to figure something out cause my 1080 gets toasty even with an undervolt.

 

As I've stated in other threads, I'm a noob to this stuff but from a P870TM1 owners perspective, I would say if you want better portability then get the P775, if you want one of the most badass desktop replacement laptops on the planet, get the P870. I also tried to decide between the GTX1070 and 1GTX080 and finally chose the GTX1080 since it will have better longevity with high-end games if you plan to keep it longer than 3+ years.

As far as cooling, it depends on your configuration but they both run quite warm so whichever you choose it's best if you use a laptop cooler and,
A. Get from a company like HIDevolution and choose the de-lidding option
B. Get a silicon lottery chip to allow it to run cooler at higher clocks

I can't speak directly to temp under heavy load since it really depends on your config and which chassis you choose but the 775 will likely run hotter than the 870 due to the smaller chassis no matter what the config.

 

I just did what was done in this thread here and it works beautifully. I have the 1070 though I didnt want the heat the 1080 dished out without the vapor chamber of the P870..

Agreed on some parts and to explain it to others better the P870 has additional heatpipes but here is the thing with the P870....If you buy Single GPU you will only get heatpipe configuration, if you do Dual GPU you get Vapor Chamber slab which is honestly the best thing a bout the 870 so it would need to be ordered by itself...because why not? put that third fan to work! Chassis size wont matter to a degree its the config they settled at. As for B. No...it wont generally "run cooler" at higher clocks and your paying a huge premium... even if the cpu is 1.3V 4.7Ghz or 1.3v 5Ghz the wattage used will increase exponentially and over-run our coolers tdp limit. Your just allowing CPU to gain a like 100mhz edge. Increasing clockspeed at the same voltage still yields increased draw and heat generation. Sillicon lottery only guarantees the CPU will clock stable at a higher clock. Nothing else and sometimes it is not even stable without all the fine tuned LLC, MCE etc controls we lack on these units. (Unless Prema has LLC controls and such) We should be practicing Min-Maxing like SFF users not thinking we can get full desktop performance out of the K series without making neighbors think we are operating a small airport.

If temps is a concern 1080 in a 775 is "barely enough" with any K series...and some people here have already returned their 775 because of 1080/8700k temp problems

If your laptops single GPU did you buy a sep. vapor chamber or is it in single cooler configuration?

 

Hmmm, might have to take a look at this next time I open this open. I have the P775. I haven't taken the cooler off, do you know if its a vapor chamber or if there is a mod to add one?