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Doesn't work with my external keyboard. I have to use the built in one.

 

Trust me, I tested IA AC/DC Loadline on this motherboard ad nauseum. Loadline 1 makes the VID sit nice and pretty in your monitoring software, but in practice it simply does not work as well as the default setting. It does not make the CPU draw less power or run cooler, it only makes it less stable and throttle harder.

Those settings are in your regular BIOS, unless you have a locked CPU, in which case you would need to use XTU. The stock BIOS hides the entire Overclocking Performance Menu if you don't have a -K CPU, which is dumb.

 

Ahh, perfect, thabks juju what I needed to know!!

 

I'm sure a lot of you already know how to do this stuff, but I was able to reduce my GPU (1080) temps by a good 6C by manipulating the frequency curve in MSI Afterburner.
The Witcher 3 was running at about 72-73C before, now it's running at about 66-67C. And Far Cry 5 plays at around 60C. I'm quite happy with the results, keeps my system fans a bit less noisy!

EDIT: I should probably mention I also use a Notebook cooler.

 

Are you using VSync or FPS limit, or letting the GPU run full-bore in those games? What clock speed and voltage does the GPU hit under load after undervolting?

 

I limit my FPS to 75 via Rivatuner Statistics Server since the refresh rate of my screen is 75Hz, and use "Fast Sync"
I copied this guy's MSI AB settings:

 

Ah OK that makes more sense now. Limiting FPS makes a huge difference on GPU usage, power draw, and temps.

Is your screen G-Sync?

 

Yes, it's G-Sync

 

OK, so the correct setup for that is to enable G-Sync and VSync in the Nvidia Control Panel, and limit FPS to 72 using an in-game limiter or RTSS: https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

 

Oh! Good to know!
Thanks!!! Though, I may just leave VSync off completely or continue using Fast Sync. I'll play around with it and see if I notice any tearing. I don't like using VSync if I don't have to.

 

G-Sync doesn't work properly if you don't enable VSync as there is tearing. The first two pages explain why. VSync when enabled alongside G-Sync is not actually VSync, as long as you limit the FPS. It simply enables the frame time compensation algorithm that prevents tearing inside the G-Sync range caused by frame time variances.

 

G-sync will work without V-sync, V-sync is simply used for when G-sync is out of scope (potential frame rate produced is higher than monitor refresh rate)

 

No, G-Sync does not work with VSync disabled because otherwise there is tearing inside the G-Sync range.

 

G-sync works by timing a completed frame to a refresh of the monitor. If you had to have V-sync enabled it would make G-sync kind of pointless.

 

Did you not read the Blur Buster's article? Anyway I'm done repeating this. You can see the tearing yourself in the pendulum demo (test pattern) below the refresh rate with G-Sync on/VSync off on a G-Sync notebook.

 

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/

 

"You know nothing Jon Snow"...
I use G-sync monitor for 4 years and I tested all setting I have read about it, and the best way to work with g-sync (have no tearing effect) and almoste NO INPUT LAG is to use g-sync with v-sync "OFF" and limit fps 1-3fps below yoru max refresh rate.

In my case I OCed my IPS to 100hz so I limit fps to 97 fps and i dont have any tearing in 30-98 fps range I asure You.

V-sync "on" is used in g-sync only for limit fps but side effect is input lag. U can feal this very badly in fast online FPP games.

There is one more think. All depend about GPU drivers. On some with G-sync "on" and V-sync "on" was almoste no input lag and works as fps limitter to max refresh rates and on others drivers
causes input lag.


(ps. I write "almoste no input lag" becasue some people claim that g-sync adds a little input lag. In my opinio it's so little that I can play on high level online FPP games and have very good aim. On V-sync "on" is impossible)

 

@Z3us_PL

I agree with the frame limiting part (3fps lower with RTSS for eg.), but according to the previously mentioned article, v-sync doesn't interfere with g-sync withing g-sync's range, so that v-sync input lag would only be felt outside g-sync's range.

 

Gsync only works with in the refresh rate of your monitor, as soon as you're out of the window it no longer works. Eg. 35 - 144hz. Way to get around this is either cap your fps to the max refresh rate of your monitor, vsync or fast sync. I personally use fast sync because to me it feels just like gsync without and of the crap that vsync has, but I've been told im wrong.

 

Fast sync has worked pretty well for me too.

 

If you're implying that the author of the G-Sync 101 article (AKA the G-Sync bible) knows nothing, that's a bit much. Nobody else has done that kind of thorough testing using a high-speed camera as he has.

VSync when enabled with G-Sync adds no input lag as long as you limit to 3 FPS below the refresh because it's not actually working as traditional VSync.

It's possible that desktop G-Sync monitors work differently now since the article was published, and don't require VSync to be enabled anymore to prevent tearing inside G-Sync range, but on my laptop that is definitely not the case.

@m4gg0t and @Support.3@XOTIC PC Fast Sync is not as optimal as G-Sync+VSync+FPS Limit: https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/8/

 

I should have elaborated I guess. While I am aware that G-Sync is better on paper, experiencing both has not motivated me to replace my non-G-Sync capable display that I'm using fast sync on, and similarly will not make me pass up a better price on a display in the future to get G-sync on it if the other display's specs are otherwise comparable.

 

No, you're the one who has misread it. Read the first two pages about why VSync needs to be enabled to prevent tearing below the refresh rate when using G-Sync.

 

Hello, everyone.

I would like to know, if there is a possibilty to visit a laptop service or store, somewhere in Frankfurt, where they can delid the CPU and apply liquid metal on both CPU and GPU. Also, after latest update on windows 1803, some of drivers randomly stopped working correctly. Such as, audio driver and fingerprint sensor. After reinstall, everything was ok, but I wonder, what caused such issue. Thank You in advance for the answer.

 

Imo, the difference is hardly noticeable.

 

If you went with the 1060 GPU but later (couple of years) decide you probably need the 1070/1080 GPU could you upgrade it? How easy are the parts to come by?

 

Yes the card can be put in but it's not cheap (and will not be cheap in the future).

 

Best spending the extra £200 now then?

 

If you can then yes.

 

Thanks Meaker!

 

No problem, the 1070 is the value sweet spot too.

 

Completely agree. Better to spend the money now, then worry about it in the future.

 

Thank you both

 

The Wifi issue is starting to irritate me now since I want to actually use it for remote connection. This is bugging other models as well as seen in the link below. Latest Driver update from Killer didn't resolve this. Dell actually published updated BIOS for affected models.

https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/...s-after-waking-from-sleep/td-p/5981452/page/6

Can we expect new BIOS revision @Prema @Donald@HIDevolution ? Or perhaps just change smth in BIOS setup?

 

I will let @Prema answer for the BIOS.

However for this kind of issue/question it would be better if you contacted our Tech Support Team so that they can coordinate better with Prema to get your issue resolved.

If you should ever need tech support or warranty service, please understand that I am not a technician, so it would be better to contact our Tech Support Team by phone at our Australian local phone 02 8015-5048 Ext. 3, between 4:00 PM and Midnight GMT, Monday through Friday, by email at [email protected], or by Online Support Ticket at http://www.hidevolution.com/contacts/ (in the department dropdown menu select Zoltan S - Tech Support). Please email me at [email protected] if they don’t resolve your issue.

 

My P775TM-1 from HIDevolution arrived this morning, so I naturally spent the whole day playing with it. I went with the I7-8087k, GTX 1070, and B173QTN01.4 panel.

There's something really screwy going on with the power management. When plugged in the cores hover somewhere beteween 1 and 2GHz, dropping down to 800MHz under load. Temps are 40C under load , 38C idle. The fans never spin up during this time. As soon as I unplug the ac adapter, they all start averaging around 4ghz at idle. Temps go up 40-50C, and the fans do spin up a little, but not like it's working hard. Seems pretty odd.

 

What power plan are you on?

 

It was set to balanced. I created a new plan based on performance and made sure fans were set to active and min/max cpu both at 100%. The idle speed seems a little higher, but as soon as it's under load it goes back down to 800mhz.

 

Call them and get them to check it for you.

 

Yeah, going to call them first thing tomorrow.

Update: I installed Intel XTU and was greeted with a flashing yellow power limit message. Processor core iccmax was set to 10a, and increasing it made the clock speed go up dramatically. Hopefully it just needs some bios tweaks to act normally. The windows thing isn't super useful since I'll be on Linux most of the time.

 

Interesting. Curious to know if you find a more satisfactory resolution. Hopefully you can post an update!

 

I had a chance to get on the phone with hidevolution support today, and it turned out the settings in the overclock section were really wonky. One in particular made a huge difference. I don't remember exactly which one it was, just that we changed it from 50 to 2400 and then to 1024. Next time I reboot I'll write down what it was.

The tech also had be check to make sure it wasn't undervolted too much, but it turned out it wasn't undervolted at all. I was running out of time to experiment with it when we were on the phone, but it would be nice to get it a little cooler.

Anyway, all six cores now hover right around 5ghz while idle. They did drop down to 4ghz when I did the stress test from aida64.

 

Sounds like it might be the current limit. My p170sm-a has the prema bios and each number equals 1/8 Amp, So if I need to run my cpu at 100 Amps I change this setting to 800.
Occasionally it seems to reset to its default which is around 500ish when I switch on the laptop, So I just installed XTU and slide the current back to 100A again when it happens.

 

Hmm, we are working on the 4.0GHz issue...please continue to work with Tech Support on this. They will reach out to you once we have a better resolution.
@Zoltan@HIDevolution

 

It could be secondary power limits depending on what is exposed.

 

Hello, everyone!

Installed Intel XTU recently, and got a message, that a newer version can be downloaded from Microsoft Store, but I could't find it. It would be ok for me anyway to use this version from the Intel website, but it doesn't show up some info for my processor, including package temperature. Have an i5-8600k, hope, someone could help me.

 

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/66427/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU-

Is the latest I believe.

 

Yeah, it was VR current limit. I'm guessing whoever did the initial setup was going to fast when then they were setting the core ratio override and accidently set the VR current limit, too.

 

This is what i get, after downloading directly from the website.

Spoiler: Update