*** Official Sager NP9175 / Clevo P775TM Owner's Lounge! ***

FYI. 8 MB replacement and 2 full system exchanges (single person) is the record for latest Alienware’s. All brand can slip out a lemon. But 10 is maybe too much

 

I didn't got it yet. Just bought it.

I supposed to get it a few days before Christmas day (about 4 weeks from now)

 

I guess same as me as I'm about to order one so I guess it' a leap of faith for us both

 

These Resellers use a Prema Bios
-Hidevolution
-Avell
-Azom Systems
-Dreammachines
-Clevocenter
-Mythlogic
-Lpc-digital
-Xoticpc

 

Firstly I will say a machine should usually not fail, especially in the fashion it did but unfortunately it can happen with any machine. If your income relies upon it you should have a backup device that at least gets you by no matter what you end up with.

Even those companies that spend millions upon their servers with redundancies run a duplicate copy on another site because no system is 100% reliable no matter what.

 

Well, luckily, DJing is more of a well paying hobby/hustle vs my livelihood. The gig I lost was one less Xmas gift for my wife so, what she doesn't know won't kill her...lol. I actually DO have a backup CPU but, I loaned THAT one in anticipation of my CPU coming in. I could have taken the one I loaned out back, but that would have taken money out of someone's pocket that could use it way more than I can so, it all worked out in the end. I understand you point however...it's the same idea as me backing up all of my music on separate hard drives in case one goes bad. That way, I don't lose any of my music.

I'll hopefully rec'v my RMA tomorrow and will have a replacement sooner than later. If not, I'll request a refund and order a new one from another reseller...December is a busy month for me.

 

Busy season and new machine sounds like the absolute worst time to be loaning out the spare to me

 

Hindsight being what it is...I won't make the same mistake again. The thought of getting a lemon never crossed my mind. I have another gig this Friday, DJing at an event for the Governor, I most definitely will have 2 computers there...just in case.

 

Sounds like a very sensible idea to me

 

Right Donald ,
and i want to add some general suggestions.
The main difference are not just the resolutions but the color space and general performance. Hight 120/144/+++Hz with fast response and Gsync perform really better than standard 60Hz in gaming scenarios but unfortunately they have low color quality. In general close the 75% of the sRGB scale and a sort of 50% of the AdobeRGB scale. Of course for productivity as Photoshop or in general photography this is not good at all. Instead the 4k variant cover the 100% of both the color spaces.
The 4k monitor have also a big disadvantage that could be the "scaling factor". Not all the programs are updated for new high dpi and resolutions. This can make your work or productivity experience not exactly comfortable.
So if your intent is just play and really nothing else that concern good color space, I suggest a FullHD monitor with faster response possible , high Hz and Gsync.
Otherwise if you plane to use this laptop for multipurpose tasks, consider the 4k with Gsync variant.

If you go on https://www.notebookcheck.net/ you can find all the monitor reviews and you can understand how they can perform.

 

Useful info! Thanks a lot!

Thank you! Useful info!

 

The problem is, none of them is selling in Europe. If I'd buy a Clevo right now, i wouldn't know how i could get my hands on one with Prema BIOS. And since i have a Prema-BIOS in my P751ZM i wouldn't want to have this "Downgrade".

 

That's not correct. These are european resellers
-Dreammachines (Poland)
-Clevocenter (Portugal)

 

We ship to Europe, with pre-paid VAT so no hassles with Customs.

 

You an also donate to prima for the bios I believe.

 

No, you cannot. To get the Prema BIOS you have to buy your laptop from a Prema Partner.

 

Not anymore. He had some issues with people taking his work and claiming it as their own, so he stopped.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

 

Well that is sad news, why do some people have to ruin It!!

 

Because greed overtakes any feelings of community over the internet usually.

 

That is why we can't have nice things...

 

My p775tm has arrived few days ago 1st part of my review:

First off great experience with prostar which highly recommend. Very good customer service and made sure id get laptop on time since needed someone to bring to me from states. They have the fastest rush shipping service i believe.

First impression. This thing is kinna big and heavy esp with its massive power brick together at 8.5 pounds. So not the most portable option but if performance is your highest priority its worth the trade off.

Second impression, this thing is beautiful! Every part screams quality. Look and feel is top notch easily beating any laptop ive ever owned and ive owned many. I happily discovered some extra io i missed on the website hehe. Fully loaded is good way to describe these clevos with all there io and features. Regarding the keyboard, The rgb lighting on it is eye candy and keys feel nice though id prefer if they were a little deeper and more spaced but im just spoiled by my lenevo on that front. Touch pad very responsive and nice click feels on the 2 buttons.

Battery is very easy to remove/insert with a slider. Hard drives, m.2, ram.. easily accessable by removing a few screws.

It came with a driver cd, booklet, pads and screws for extra hard drives. The booklet and cd could use some improvement. Says simply "notebook" on the front which doesnt look too professional and wish went more in depth in the booklet with things like the bios. Doesnt make sense that included is a driver cd when there is no cd tray in the laptop lol. No biggie though, copied them over to a usb from another computer and installed drivers one by one.

Now on to some of in usage experience. This thing is FAST! nothing like any of my laptops and feels even way faster than my old 6 core 1366 desktop. This really is a high performance desktop pc in laptop case. no compromises folks! On start up gets into windows in seconds. Everything is very snappy and quick from loading/installing programs to copying over files. I did not expect and have never experienced these kinds of speeds. Noise is very quite almost inaudable at idle and sits around a cool 35c in windows doing non intensive things. Got to test out sound and speakers btw. Very quality sound and loudd. Best laptop sound ive ever heard....ive only started to get to know this beast. curious to see what shes really capable of.

Will post more info and performance findings later. In meantime enjoy these pictures below of the beauty.

 

So do these things throttle without the Prema Bios? or did they finally remove some of that cancer throttling code?
How far can you push these things?

 

What LCD panel do you have?

 

17.3" 1920 x 1080 Full HD (16:9) IPS Matte Type Display with Nvidia G-Sync Technology

 

I bet you are a happy with that beast right in front of you

 

Here are some benchmarks of our Sky X7C running Windows 7 - they are better than Win 10
3d11
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12520267
Firestrike
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23652199
sky diver
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23652550

 

Thats great to see! also just heard from mr fox great results in 7 vs 10. dying to go back. Do i just install windows 7 like normal and than install the drivers that came with the laptop? Did u encounter any kind of driver compatability issues..?

 

Thinking about investing in one of these beasts, but I need to know this first. How's thermal throttling? I'm not buying from a PREMA partner, I'll be getting mine barebones, and adding my own ram, HDD, and OS, so it would be ideal knowing that it runs fine with stock BIOS.

 

I meant the exact model. In my P775DM1 is LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF1. Can you check if you have the same?

 

UserBenchmarks: Game 76%, Desk 98%, Work 87%
CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K - 111.8%
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 - 72.9%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 1TB - 80%
SSD: Samsung 960 Evo NVMe PCIe M.2 250GB - 113.5%
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO M.2 250GB - 78%
RAM: Crucial CT16G4SFD824A.C16FHD 1x16GB - 43.6%


my pc is bone stock even with stock thermal paste. -100 quick amatuer undervolt in ccc only, not sure it sticked though as now its back at 0. during this benchmark, no throttle. hottest cpu got was 78 c for a second

 

Sorry no idea how to check?

 

Darn Black Friday shipping rush had UPS delay my laptop. Been waiting for over a week.

One more day and I'll run a crazy amount of benchmarks and start tuning this beast. Also going to be fooling around with an 32GB Intel Optane chip and the 1440p 120hz g-sync display. Ooh I'm getting excited.

Anyone looking for anything specific, I'll do my best over the next few days to give everyone the scoop.

 

Its worth the wait

 

Hello. I bet you are very happy with your new laptop. May I know how loud the fan noise is? Do you have some videos? Thank you.

 

You undervolted it to -100 using Clevo Control Center, and that was stable and enough to run at full stock speed (3.7 Ghz to 4.7 Ghz) right?

 

UPS guy decided to pick my house as his first stop... good guy UPS made up for the delay!

Initial impressions, other then the large amount of plastic which is of good quality (used to my AW15 with some metal) the laptop is beautiful. Thank you @Eurocom Support. Guys do some good work and I got the laptop in 8 business days.
Plain awesome, Dell took over 10 business days.

Now I'm just installing my M.2's and trying to get Optane to work!
Trying to figure out how to pop the keyboard off

EDIT: Secondary M.2 is not under the keyboard. Godbless. I'm blind as a bat.

 

Think best now not undervolt with ccc or bios. Uninstalled ccc, reset bios, Just tested few times to confirm proper undervolt -100 with throttlestop got me max 75c on userbenchmark
Undervolt with -125 max 72c

Might be able to undervolt even more will check later.

Tested also with prime95-the most cpu intensive benchmark not very real world loads. Was a little hestitant and afraid would fry after reading people getting over 100c with dm3 model. But surprisingly it held up! With the - 125 undervolt, after 2 minutes of testing Max 83c on one of the cores. Below is the max temps on prime 95 test 2 min test


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So im thrilled to say i think this beast helds up quite well and has no problem cooling this cpu with undervolt. If was delidded im sure you could safely overclock it.

Regarding gpu during userbench max got was 56c but its only a 1060. My system is not best to check how well can cool the gpu better wait for someone with higher model. Imma run 3d mark soon and post results

Cheers!

 

Yes its a great machine! During light loads or idle it is inaudable. During my benchmark testing it can get quite loud. Ill try take video soon

 

could you test your p775 (stock) with aida64 extreme (stability test cpu+gpu for 30 minutes)?

 

Just did
Auto fans, no throttling. Cpu hit max 80c gpu 65c
Stock clocks, -150 undervolt

I repeat with undervolt this system is stable under full load

This system again stock paste, if upgrade my tim will prob get couple degrees better. if delidded overclockable... p775tm1 highly recommended!

 

Up and running.

Second impressions-- the system is a beast.
Can't wait to really start tuning.

She was hitting 4.7 no problem, but I locked her down to 4.3Ghz with a -100 undervolt. Got a max temp of 84C while playing PUBG.The real issue is the GTX1080 is cooking... 91C Max. Whoa. Thank goodness for the 3 year warranty cause if I can't get those lower, she's going fry.


First game in 2 weeks 3 kills and 2nd place. The circle was huge and I didn't notice I killed third place. All i hear is a shot in the distance and my head goes clean off by a Kar98. Lol. GG.

Conductonaut and pads on the way. 5Ghz here we come.

EDIT: Why would my under volt not stick? Keeps on going to 0 in BIOS and XTU.
2ND EDIT: I think its working in ThrottleStop.

 

His 1060 model won't throttle due to low system power draw. As usual 1060/1070 will be fine on P7 as well as single 1080 on P8 (as long as they use their default vBIOS power limits). It's 1080 on P7 and 1080 SLI on P8 where you take the hit and getting capped at one point.
The TM firmware will now also detect AIDA and make sure its all looking bueno. Better use FS bench and check the CPU Frequency graph and GPU score (If the GPU overheats it'll drop its clocks and power draw so low that the CPU will look fine again, so both have to keep running up there to get accurate results).

 

Would you recommend the second power brick?Wouldn't I reach the thermal limits of the P7 beforehand?

I would like to be able to undervolt the GPU a bit.
Since it seems to be cooking eggs at 91C right now and I'm not even going crazy.

We will see what liquid metal brings, but I'm not exactly expecting miracles.

 

A second AC Adapter won't do anything as the default P7 firmware won't allow you to pull more from mains.

But, I would definitely re-apply the thermal paste on the GPU, it shouldn't get that hot as clocks are dropping into the 1K region once it hits 90c. No need for Liquid Metal just some decently applied ICD should do the trick.

 

Prema, does the Clevo throttle the CPU or the videocard when it reaches AC power restrictions?

 

There is no AC limit like on MSI, but a total power draw limit. The GPU throttles on its own, the system in addition drops the CPU clocks to keep the total combined power draw down.

 

Thanks Prema!

 

Heres video testing noise inside a closet. As you can hear during idle and low loads it is barely audable. With max fans turned on it is loud. Quite louder than even during my benchmark testings. i dont think you would need fans running near that high unless perhaps u got stock system with a 1080 which as jumpwired pointed out runs quite hotter than my 1060 system.

https://streamable.com/osmod