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Let me know how you go that would be a mod I would be interested in another weird thing I found is that my old PSU from my P870DM when plugged into my new P775TM lowers my temps by 5-10 degrees Celsiu when gaming so I guess the new PSU aren’t as good as the old ones either

 

A power supply is not going to lower temps unless its causing throttling.

 

I've been offline most of the week at a conference. I opened a ticket with Sager and they immediately said to send it back and generated an RMA. It will be sent out today and we'll see what they discover when they take a look.

Despite the hassle of being without my new toy for a while, this has been as easy an interaction as it could be so far

 

Better get it sorted now, sorry you ran into an issue

 

Some things that I've come across whilst figuring out how to get my ram to run spec instead of 3000/3100mhz, and up to 3460mhz.

-Remember to clear nvram/cmos on first boot each time when testing a new speed/timing (source)
-Try alternating ram slots, instead of using dimms 1+2 or 3+4, try using 1+3 or 2+4 as these are still dual channel (source)

I couldn't get past 3100MHz when using 3+4 or 1+2. With 2+4 I got to 3333MHz. Before giving up make sure to try 1+2/3+4/1+3/2+4 configuration, you never know.

-Oddity: With stock clevo bios, after nvram reset, setting known working timings/speed will cause errors/instability.
Bypass this by: nvram reset then on first boot set ram to xmp if they support it, after it finishes training, change timings/change speed. Errors should be gone.

For me setting 3200MHz CL16 with rated subtimings, after nvram reset would result in BSOD's and memory errors, whilst setting them to XMP CL18 first and then changing them to CL16 passes TM5 100%. I speculate this is due to XMP changing some settings that I can't access on the stock bios.

-Oddity: Booting after nvram reset with dimms 3+2 or 1+4 in single channel you can attain higher speeds, you have to manually set the timings and wait for it to train, afterwards set the ram to dual channel, wait for it to train, go to bios and change the speed again. If you're lucky the higher speed will also boot in dual channel.

You can try the same strat by using a single stick in dimm 4 (source)

Added: It seems that these boards prefer all dimms populated when going for speed. ie. 4x8gb instead of 2x8gb dimms.

 

1 and 4 works best for me.

 

Hello
I have an AUO B173HAN03.2 and B173HAN04.0 in hand.
3.2 should be better than the default 3.1 because it has faster response time.

My questions: if I swap them will G-Sync work with the new panel or the Clevo bios only allows GSync for the 3.1?

Thank you.

 

It only allows for panels shipped with it so probably no.

 

Man I'm gonna need to debloat my next install of windows 10 on the new drive, and get rid of the bloated drivers/telemetry.

 

Can you share pics with your timings please? (secondary and tertiary)

 

Sure, these are rated for 3200 cl18, and are hynix chips. So no guarantee that my settings will work for others.

 

How much of those have you tweaked?

 

Things I've changed going from 3000/3100MHz to 3200MHz, off the top of my head.

Cl 15 >16
tRCD/tRP 17 >18
tRAS 39 >43
tFAW 26 >39
tRFC 420 >560
tRRD 12 >4
tTRP 9 >12
tWR 18 >24

Here's a screencap of them running @3100 CL15 with the old chip.

Spoiler

 

Looks like a good set of timings for the speed

 

Thanks

@Meaker@Sager have you tried overclocking the ram with all dimms populated? I've been digging through the forums and from what I've read some of these boards have an easier time going faster with all slots filled.

 

It seems that the timings are too high for such frequency. Can you do a memory test in Aida64? I want to compare with your result.

 

Yea, the stock timings are garbage. Hence why I dropped them to cl 16. I'll do a test later and get back to you.

 

I didn't bother to screencap the aida64 cache & mem benchmark as it hides some of the numbers behind "trial", so here are the numbers:

3200 cl16
Read: 46827
Write: 48685
Copy: 45737
Latency: 49.8 ns

I'll have to tighten them up and see how the sticks scale with voltage eventually.

 

@jc_denton, Good result, I'll do a test in the evening. It seems your memory is better than mine.

 

I think cl15 3100 might have been even better, as both primary and secondary timings were tighter.

 

@jc_denton it's seems max for my sticks. Can boot with 3200Mhz but with CL19+.

 

Those are still nice bench numbers! Hows the stability on them at that speed?

 

Fully stable
If you manage to lower the secondary timings yet - let me know, I am very bad at it.

 

The board can make a difference too in these machines.

 

@Meaker@Sager and this fact is really annoying(

 

Mobile has consequences, something you just need to be aware of.

 

for those who know,do I need a specific bios/vbios if I get barebone of P775tm with stock bios,to support the Quadro P4000 or the stock ones doesn't have any problem recognizing and work it? and anyone know if M3000m (maxwell)or firepro cards will work with this unit on-the-go or not.
thanks in advance

 

So my 775tm-r from HID that is only a month old for some reason gets stuck on the EVOC logo when being awakened from Hibernation 9/10 times... any clue as to why this might be?

Specs: win 10 pro, i7-9900k, RTX2070, 32gb 2666mhz ram

Had Ultramale do all the normal tweaks out of the box as well.

 

Hi. Check new bios. Probably resolve your problem v1. 07.23 is from yesterday.

Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator

 

This was a bug with certain BIOS revisions after the RTX cards were introduced, IIRC. Check with HID about the firmware like clevo-extreme mentioned, that should patch it.

 

@jc_denton get my new 2666 CB1 sticks stable on 3200Mhz:

 

Will the CPU go further? Being an ES is interesting in terms of it's results of IMC strength and clocking.

 

Hey everyone!

I've just ordered the EVOC P775TM1-G from HIDevolution with the informative and patient help from Donald. Thank you so much Donald for all of your help and honesty. I also want to thank all of you on this forum, for all of your information and community help with each others questions. It made this purchase feel less intimidating considering that this will be my first PC purchase in over 7 years from being a Mac owner.

I feel confident that I made a great purchase that will last me for years to come (especially considering the parts are almost all in socket form).

My purpose for this laptop will be for music production, recording, DJing, and light video editing. I plan on installing the RAM and storage myself when it arrives, and I would be open to suggestions on an optimal configuration. My installation configurations will be posted on the bottom of this post. I do not play video games.

My current configuration is as follows:

EVOC High Performance Systems P775TM1
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) IPS LED Antiglare Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 w/ 6GB GDDR5 - NVIDIA G-Sync Enabled
Prema Custom BIOS
HIDevolution Delidded - Unlocked, Undervolted and Overclocked 9th Gen Intel Core i9-9900K 8 Core 16 Thread Processor, 4.2 - 5.0 GHz
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
Intel® Wireless-AC 9260 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 5.0
Genuine Windows® 10 Home, 64bit, English
OS Reinstallation + Drivers USB Flash Drive
Battery Options
3 x 8 cell battery - 82Wh (2 Extra) - $300.00
Onkyo Speakers x 2 + Subwoofer

These are the parts I am considering installing. Am I being overkill?

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws SO-DIMM 32GB (4 x 8G) 260-Pin DDR4 SO-DIMM DDR4 3800 (PC4 30400)

M.2 Slot 1 (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS 500GB Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7S500B/AM

M.2 Slot 2 (Storage)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

2.5 Bay (Back-Up)
SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series 2.5" 2TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-76E2T0B/AM

 

Is there a way to disable HyperThreading somewhere in the bios that I'm missing? I don't have the prema bios.

I want to disable it to mitigate MDS attacks: https://mdsattacks.com/

 

You can disable Hyperthreading in our Premium BIOS. It's fully supported by Clevo and should work on your machine just fine.

Download Link of EC/BIOS for P751TMx(-G) and P775TMx-(G)

Other options include:

-- Intel Tech --
Intel VT-d
Intel SGX
Intel Hyperthreading
Intel TurboBoost
Intel SpeedShift
Intel Management Engine

-- Components --
Webcam
Internal Microphone / HD Audio
Wifi / Bluetooth

-- Other --
Above 4GB MMIO BIOS Assignment
Fast Boot
SATA Port
m.2 SSD Port

-- CPU Voltage --
CPU Core Voltage Offset
CPU Cache Voltage Offset
Graphics Voltage Offset
Graphics Media Voltage Offset


Cheers,
XMG|Tom

P.S.: Graphics Undervolting in the BIOS applies to iGPU does not show up in P7xxTM Premium BIOS (because iGPU is deactivated), but it does show up in all MSHybrid and UMA laptops. Thanks to Prema for pointing it out.

 

TM model come with 8th gen Intel processor
Yet Another Speculative Malfunction: Intel Reveals New Side-Channel Attack, Advises Disabling Hyper-Threading Below 8th, 9th Gen CPUs
Intel also said that its 8th and 9th generation processors already include the hardware mitigations that defeat the exploitaition of MDS, but previous architectures back to Nehalem are vulnerable. But why play it on expectations: you can take a test that has been published by the researchers right here.

 

Note though;

 

Yes, it can go up to 4.8 without problem (haven't tried it above), but fixed @44 with override 1125mV (-80 offset) is more than enough for my 1060.

 

Hello Tom! Thanks a lot for this. I guess I got caught up in prema bios stuff so I hadn't noticed I could get a different bios from another re-seller. I appreciate this! I'll make sure to look into XMG in a few years when I need a new machine.

Right, that's what made me decide I'd be better off just disabling HT entirely. Disabling HT should help gain some significant heat headroom,too, right? Currently I run 4.6 GHz all-core (starts to throttle about 30s in if heavily taxed, drops down to about 4.4 GHz and equalizes there) but I know I can manage 5 GHz all-core if I don't mind running into serious heat limits much faster. With HT disabled I may go for 5 GHz instead of 4.6 and get most, if not more, performance... depending on workload of course.

If anyone is curious, disabling HT on the 9900k should essentially make it a 9700k heat-wise:

(source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review/21)

Definitely won't mind gaining ~40 watts of headroom!

Thanks again XMG guys.

I'll post an update on before/after Cinebench runs, heat, etc.

 

Perhaps still a bit overkill even but for gaming yes not much point in going higher.

 

Heat = performance generally though, so reducing heat means reducing performance.

 

Can the chassis handle this much OC ram? My distributor only offered a maximum of 16GB of corsair vengeance DDR4 3000, claiming to be it's pushing the limits of what the chassis can keep stable.

 

DDR4 3000 seems to be indeed near limit. Thing really doesn't want to handle more in my case, though my Hynix ram chips are known to hit celling at 3333 (and i think that was in desktop), might be the case.
he may be able to tighten up timings at whatever speed it will work, but does it worth it?

 

what about the volume?

I technically still have two more slots available, could I throw in 2 more 8GB sticks? to get 32GB in the future and still have them run on XMP?

 

We are talking small adjustments, ram tuning is always the cherry on top.

 

Thanks for the reply,

After a bit more research, I realize that I can adequately suffice with even 2666. I won't go past 2933. I'm torn between Corsair vengeance and G.Skill Ripjaws. Both seem like great products.

 

G.skill has tended to get on well with the chassis.

 

Give this BuildZoid video a go, he talks about the important values for timings and performance scaling.
I found it very helpful when learning the madness that is ram overclocking.

 

His guides are generally a good idea in general.

 

Hi! I finished playing with ram!.. for now, maybe. I think it's best result these can show, but i literally didn't know anything on topic like a week ago.
Currently they on "passes memtest" level of stability, will see yet if they won't randomly die in some game.
So, look and tell, how good it is?
Sticks are these, 2x8 kit