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    *** Official Sager NP9175 / Clevo P775TM Owner's Lounge! ***

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  1. jc_denton

    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Does that happen with override voltage or an offset?
     
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    Hi.
    This laptop support 2 disks m.2 nvme in raid 0 ?
     
  3. Meaker@Sager

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    Yes, though remember the chipset can "only" do around 3.5GB/sec max even with two drives.
     
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    Sound Blaster Connect related:

    I want to change the crossover frequency in the Soundblaster Connect app, but I can't adjust the slider... any other way to change it except for hard registry editing?

    I'm using the latest drivers through Obsidian's update tool.
     
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    While we're talking about sound settings, is there some reason why this laptop is so quiet? My last Sager could be heard across the house if the volume was around 50 but this one has to be cranked all the way to 100 to be heard across the room. I feel like there's an equalizer setting somewhere that I've missed.
     
  6. jc_denton

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    Could you take a screenshot of this?
     
  7. BrightSmith

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    Can't change the crossover frequency (circle). Moreover, if I activate speaker mode (1) it automatically switches to head phones output (2). In head phones mode I can change the crossover frequency, but not in speaker mode.

    Soundblasterconnectcrossoverissue.png
     
  8. BrightSmith

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    Have you enabled loudness equalisation?
     
  9. jc_denton

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    Does the editing the registry fix this issue?
     
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    No, the registry is lacking the cross-over entry mentioned in the evga guide
     
  11. Briareos-H

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    Where do I find that setting?
     
  12. m4gg0t

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    Offset.
     
  13. jc_denton

    jc_denton BGA? What a shame.

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    Hmm, is this stock or Prema bios? Have you tried doing a CMOS reset to see if it solves the problem?
     
  14. BrightSmith

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    This will depend on your Realtek driver.

    In Windows: https://www.ghacks.net/2014/04/02/enable-sound-loudness-equalization-windows/

    If you don't find the 'enhancements' tab, open your Realtek Audio panel, the setting should be there.

    Personally I advice you to deinstall your Realtek and Soundblaster drivers. Make sure you made a clean de-install through DDU, then install this modded driver: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...win7-win8-win8-1-win10-post-your-mods.250915/

    Works perfectly on my system, especially with the included Nahimic app.
     
  15. Briareos-H

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    Ahh, I suspect that might be my issue. Something got jacked up with my Soundblaster/Realtek install and I didn't have the UWP app for either of them when I got my laptop. I managed to dig up a PDF that told me how to trick the Windows Store into letting me download the SB Connect app, but whatever happened at Sager during the build to screw it up might have also affected my speaker loudness. I'll give that modded driver a try, thanks!

    Edit: How does DDU uninstall audio drivers? I thought that was just for AMD/Nvidia drivers?
     
  16. BrightSmith

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    You have the option of removing audio instead of gpu drivers. Choose to remove Realtek, don't reboot, then choose sound blaster, reboot
     
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    I've done that many times. I think I've done everything at this point.
     
  18. Meaker@Sager

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    Could be one of the VRM chips themselves having an issue.
     
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    So I'm happy since Obsidian-PC is going to send me the money through PayPal so I can buy the fan, although I'm going to have to remove the GPU to get to the fan connector and I've never applied paste before so I'm not sure what I should use. Obsidian says they use thermal grizzly, so maybe that to be safe?

    Although, I was looking at the IC graphite thermal pads since that would probably be easiest, or liquid metal, since it might have better thermals? What're your thoughts?
     
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    Thermal grizzly is a good and safe paste to use.
     
  21. jc_denton

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    I think you'd be best off with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, as it's quite simple and straightforward to apply/remove. With liquid metal you run into some new issues with the p775tm1, mainly that since liquid metal needs pretty much a perfect mount, you will end up needing to testfit thinner thermalpads on some of the GPU components.

    From my own experience, I ended up having to mount a 0.5mm copper shim between gpu die and heatsink, as the surface there wasn't perfectly flat for liquid metal and ended up with worse thermals. And replacing all the thermalpads with proper thickness afterwards.

    With Kryonaut, you just apply a tiny amount and it will have a good fit, without the need to go through all of the stuff above.
     
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    Hello!
    Does anyone know what does this mean?
    I turned on the laptop and after Windows loaded up the cpu fan started to spin max and the green power led started to flash with Orange color.
    Laptop worked for a few minutes and I even opened some websites but after 2-3 min usage it shut off.
    I turned it back on but was fine after that.
    Did not happen ever since.
    Run some FS benchmarks and completed Rise of the Tomb Raider but every thing was fine.

    Should I be worried?
    I know that there is a rare bug in the clevo BIOS which causes the cpu to now work correctly and when Windows loads up it will ignore all settings and only set x37 ratio until reboot. This happens about 1/50 times when laptop boots. I found this bug to happen with 3 different cpu and motherboards so it is not an isolated issue.
    This time Bios is the latest .15 version was this just anothet rare bug in the Factory Bios or was this an early indication of critical hw failure and I Should start to worry?

    CCC is not installed I am using Obsidian software and was using modded NVidia driver from guru3d where all bloatware were removed.
    CPU is delidded 8700k.
     
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  23. iRoxas

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    Ah alright, thanks guys. Looking on Amazon though, it seems like the IC thermal pads have higher thermal conductivity and they're a bit cheaper, do you think those would be alright by themselves?
    Looking at these ones: https://www.amazon.com/Innovation-Cooling-Graphite-Thermal-Pad/dp/B07CKVW18G/
     
  24. Meaker@Sager

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    The paste will perform better due to the interface by a few degrees.
     
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    Oh ok, good to know, thanks.
     
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    Thermal pads are more for that device you are going to put under a desk and not touch for 8 years.
     
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    Yeah that's what I heard, didn't know the temperature difference would be too substantial though. Hopefully I apply the paste right :D
     
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    Practise makes perfect. Try putting it on and pulling it off to see what the spread looks like. Share here if you are unsure.
     
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    There's also this black tape stuff that connects the heatsink to the fan, but it's not really sticking anymore and I'm wondering what I could replace it with.
     
  31. jc_denton

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    Almost sounded like the EC had a panic attack. How many times before have you had this happen before?
     
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    That covers the gap between the fan and heatsink and reduces the airbleed. You can use some kapton tape or decent electrical tape and cover the gap.
     
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    None and did not happen ever since.
     
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    If it does not happen again sounds like a firmware bug.
     
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    Hello here!
    I have some questions to any users of P775Tm1(-g) (RTX) model with stock heatsink and intel 9gen processors.

    -Does anyone have experience with normal AND delidded version of same 9gen cpu? How their thermals compare in this chassis? Is delidding a 9gen worth it here?

    -About i5-9600k in particular. If anyone uses it here at all, and "properly", i.e overclocked, what your everyday use settings are?
    it'll be great if someone has the 9600k normal vs delidded stats.

    -Anyone with (delidded) 8700k, how well it goes in terms of clocks and thermals?

    Reason for this is my 9600k, that i squeezed everything off and wanna more, and multiple posts about 5ghz overclocks with higher chips.
    Thanks for your time and reply.
     
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    I have a delidded 8700k with conductonaut. A lot depends on your undervolt as well. With an average undervolt of -125 it keeps under 80°C at 4.5ghz all core clock when running cinebench in a loop, and under 85°C at 4.7ghz all core clock. I'm not pushing it further.
     
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    The 8086k is a nice chip if you can get it at a reasonable price.
     
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    So, in last less than day I have an issue similar to m4gg0t.
    CPU TDP limits randomly drop down, in my case to 45/110W. Happened quietly, totally at random, with no particular load or even when idle.
    I happen to have Obsidian software and CCC installed simultaneously, but Obsidian wasn't launched. Removed it, will see if that might be the case. Though I rather suspect CCC to be the case, it's frakin buggy mess having at least three failures at every moment, but i like my OCD and fan control and don't have spare 30eu.
     
  39. jc_denton

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    There's always something up with the CCC software. I have two identical Win10 Pro installs, one on my 970 Pro and Intel 760p that I use for testing sometimes. The Intel drive has CCC installed while the 970 Pro doesn't. When benching using the same exact settings, both in the bios and CCC. The drive with CCC pulls more power and scores less, and it does so even after uninstalling CCC. Garbage.
     
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    Hello
    Did anyone try the new 9900KS CPU in this laptop yet ?
    Is it able to cool it down?

    I have BIOS 1.07.25, is this good enough or BIOS Update is needed for 9900ks support?
     
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    Isn't that intel drive just actually worse?
    Ah, you mean cpu/gpu scores. Welp, if i knew any other way to have comfortable fan control, keyboard led control and OCD, similar to CCC when it works properly, and without more money, i'd be so happy.
    About my problem, it's apparently gone after removing obsidian software, as well as some other weird glitches. So, don't mix the two, even if you use only one of them.
    (to be clear, I had it installed to try if it can fully replace CCC, it can't at least unpaid... was lazy to remove it before installing back CCC)
     
  42. jc_denton

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    Glad you fixed it. Yea, particularly the CPU scores and temps. My solution was simple, fn+1 and I really couldn't care less about the rbg :p
     
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    I prefer to solve problems in more elegant way, in case of cooling - i want it to work as intended.
    as for rgb, i don't want no R's, G',s and especially B's, but default uncontrolled setting gives me so much B's my eyes hurt!
     
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    Just wanted to follow up on this. I finally got to a point where I could wipe my audio drivers and install this modded pack. It all went great though for some reason the included SB Connect app doesn't work. Don't care though because Nahimic3 works great and better yet, it installed the Realtek control panel so I could turn on Loudness Equalization and finally get my volume to work right. Thanks again!
     
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    I don't think you run both brands of audio app at the same time.
     
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    Good to hear! I'm using Nahimic 3 myself. It's straightforward, has a better GUI, and to me it seems to allow for crispier sounds (especially voices) than SB 720.
     
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    This modded driver installs a self-signed certificate into your machine. I wouldn't call it safe as a security point of view.
     
  48. Briareos-H

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    Right, I meant that SB Connect won't run at all, by itself. I wasn't that impressed when I got it running under my original drivers though, so I don't really care. Nahimic runs great though, and should work with my USB headphones unlike SB Connect.
     
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    I looked into them with certmgr and it looks like they're just used for the install processes. Don't see any reason why I can't just delete the certificates after the install is done...
     
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    I'll bet the driver won't load after you delete the certificate.
     
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