**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

Great!

We look forward to building it and getting it to you as soon as we can. Let us know if you have any questions!

 

Ah man... again, I'm always getting in trouble for posting my emails on here.

 

Actually, it's your post that swayed me to go to Mythlogic... So... Thanks!

Does this mean I'll get my laptop before you?

 

See this Myth? Do I get a finder's fee?

 

You think so? The delay is only a month or two, and I don't see them making any radical change to it.

 

LoL email us, plead your case and we'll see hehe. :wink:

 

I am not sure about this and request the retailers to respond. When after the delay the product finally becomes available do you guys conduct your own tests on the laptops and find out if the hold true to the reputation and have no major flaws plus withstand heat issues and heavy computing work without failing before shipping? Also if you find any flaws how are these flaws made known to the customers ? Will it be posted here in this thread for you customers who trust you with their money and heart ?

 

Not sure about the Resellers, but Myth (builders) does all their own QA before they send you the laptop, they'll even have a folder on the desktop with screenies of all your Benchmarks, if you'd like.

 

Myth I would order from you if I could configure with a 3d screen (also wanted the corsair 32 gb ram 1600mhz and CAS9). I have found your replies and conduct to be the main thing keeping me interested in this laptop.

I do hope other resellers follow you example and I also think you should reap the reward for your clear and honest communication and presence in this forum!!!!

So I want the 3d screen sli 675's (upgrade to 680's when they release) and to give you my money within the next 3-4weeks. I just do not see the option for 3d screen on your site which keeps me from ordering.

and TIGERWOLFE thanks for your leaks!!! they helped let me know that Myth is worth dealing with!!!

 

I'd call them up and talk to them about the 3d, not sure why they're not listing it. However I do know that when I ordered mine they called me up the next day, to see whether or not I wanted the 3d screen, because it would be available.

 

it better be, at this rate we would probably see the Ivy bridge E before our new p270wm

 

Upon ordering did they charge your account/card. I really do not want a hold on my account it works better for me if they charge me and the last place I was looking ORIGINPC seems to just put a hold which I do not want.

I will give them a call of course . THANKS!!! TIGERWOLFE!!!

I am greatful for your additions to this thread!

 

Mine got charged straight up. No holds as far as I can tell.

 

on live chat with them now, they are saying NO 3d screen for that modal

this is REALLY annoying!!!

HELLO ALIENWARE!

edit: was told there is no option for 3d with that modal, and that was all for more than 5 min in chat. Myth if you do read this I left my phone number and email with whomever was in chat with me in case anyone can clarify what is up for me. Definitely STRANGE figuring out this laptop LOL

second edit: as I wrote in one of the following posts , Mythlogic contacted me... 3d yes... when we don't know. He is a great person to deal with!!! I will be making my purchase through them!!!

 

Hmm that is weird. Maybe things changed since my phone call, this was several weeks ago and I haven't exactly kept up to speed on the 3d screens as I personally had no interest.

 

Yea,

I sent you an email clarifying the chat. We WILL have a 3D option, we thought it was coming sooner rather than later (Back when Tiger placed his order), but we don't have it listed as we don't have a good release date for when the option will drop, and so we don't want to basically list it as "Coming at some point".

 

Just got off the phone, FANTASTIC customer service and FANTASTIC communication!!! I highly recommend Mythic to ANY and everyone here!!! Watch out tigerwolfe I am gunning for your Commission now LOL

 

"That is VERY disturbing, while asking about the delays at Originpc today I was told I should purchase now to get a place in line."

Very disturbing indeed. Some of these resellers seem so desperate to sell, that they have thrown any any concern for the end user to the wind.

 

Thanks for the notes on the SLA Ettornio. That info helps a lot. Even though I plan to mostly disable the SLI feature of the second card, it'll be fun to actually plug in both adapters and see the look of fellow engineers when they see the setup of this machine. The dual Video could almost be considered a vanity option. LOL

Does anyone know of any aftermarket 3D screens for these video cards? I'm sure something will come out in the forum later for a screen swap. I'm currious, too, because in the manual it is showing where they have the 3D sensor built into the bottom of the screen/case. Hmmm. That'll be an interesting mod when/if it ever happens.

 

I'm actually thinking about getting the 3D emitter option, but instead opting for the 90% color gamut screen. Why? Well for one, I want to experience the supposed amazingness of the 90% screen and secondly; I am hoping a 90% 3D screen option will be available at some point.

However, if the standard 3D screen is pretty good, I may just get that out right. We shall see. I'm still waiting for true mobile Keplar on the high-end before ordering, though.

 

I hear ya. I have to research the whole 3D thing. I have to give props out to mythlogic, who's about a 45 minute drive, because my vendor doesn't offer the 3D screen or 3D emmitter; at least not on their website. They only have the stock screen option. I would have gone with a nicer screen or even the 3D, but right now Pro-Star has taken care of me and for that I am vendor loyal.

Mythlogic, Will you be able offer an aftermarket 3D screen, emmitter or better screen later? i.e., kit or you do it...

 

The reason why getting the 3D emitter with a non-3D screen won't work, is that the 3D model of this laptop is slightly different than the non-3d version. We'll be doing some additional testing once we get the final final version of the laptop, but going from 2D->3D 3D->2D probably won't be possible. However, in our opinion, the 120Hz screen that these come with, is really really really nice One of my favorite screens.

 

Wow, Great reply. Thanks Myth!

I don't think I'd want to wait for it if its a delay, either, more of a optional item that would get very unfrequent use, but nice to have. If the stock screen looks great, I'll be happy. Back when I got this ASUS P6860, the guys were upgrading stock screnes and raving about it all. I didn't jump on that and stuck with the stock screen and don't know any better. It's continued to look good to me for the life of the machine. I'm expecting the same or similar experience with the stock P270WM screen.

 

This news saddens me.
I really wanted SLI and then go to 3d later.
But now I'm back to having to pick. fghjsdfgh

 

But we can do 3D and SLI later cant we?

 

Indeed. But the SLI would be handier from the getgo.

Especially when you're trying to aim for 120fps for the 3d.

 

As Myth said the 3D version has a different motherboard...you can only have 3D on an external monitor with the non-3D model. And both models have SLI.

 

I WAS purchasing this machine as a workstation replacement, I opted to go for this machine over an OC'd M18X r1 as I had a preference for the stability of a stock system that promised the likes of the P270WM.
However, given the nature of these delays I wasn't game to risk it and slam this system with CAD, 3D modelling and photo manipulation multi-tasking only to have it cook on me or continually crash due to errors and firmware related issues.
I have asked for a refund and will put my money in the bank and see what the future brings in terms of a tried and tested P270WM and the new IB releases.

Good luck to all who are willing to wait for this system, I hope it does indeed crush all Laptops out there as it has been promising!

 

Do you have any info on the 3D panel like finish, gamut, brightness?

why don't you consider a true mobile workstation like the Precision M6600 or HP Elitebook 8760w? Those come with 3 year next business day support, so you'll get completely covered.

 

Can you give me one real life example where you can benefit from the L3 cache of the 3930k/3960x vs let's say 2960XM? From what I saw in various reviews, the extra cache of the 3960x not only didn't show any real advantage across the benches but also hindered the OC'ing capabilities on many occasions. Keeps me puzzled...

 

I seemed to take from his post that you cannot just change a 2d laptop to the 3d and vice versa. I did not take from it you cannot power a 3d external with the 3d version of the laptop but you can power a 3d external with the 2d version.

Myth if you did say that please let me know as it makes NO sense to me. Also if you do mean the 3d version CANNOT run an external 3d monitor in 3d but a 2d can please clarity as I again do not understand.

My guess is that it has nothing to do with external monitors just which in laptop monitor is compatible with which version of the MB...

 

Sorry, I guess there is a misunderstanding...it should have said:

You can have 3D only on an external monitor with the non-3D model.

So:

P270WM3 = internal & external 3D
P270WM. = external 3D

 

Revit and Max both perform better in systems with higher L2 and L3 cache, predominantly when rendering. This is pretty well known amongst the CAD community. The same is indicated in Revit benching results and rendering times.
I never planned to OC so that aspect doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

I'm wondering if I will be able to buy 1866mhz ram sticks for the P270WM.

Malibal says "Expandable up to 32GB DDR3 1600MHz" in the specs page, while I can choose 1866mhz ram in configuring the build.

 

You can install 1866mhz ram in the P270WM however I believe the Intel specs limit the memory for the i7 3930/ 3960 to 1600mhz. Apparently most motherboards will support the higher ram speed though.
1866mhz is available in 2, 4 and 8gig sticks from many manufacturers.

 

What manufacturer offers the 8GB 1866mhz sticks that are 204 pinned? I been looking but can not find one.

 

non so far. only the kingston hyperx sodimm 1866 4gb stick, or corsair 1866 sodim 4gb stick avaliable, so max quad channel at 16 gb.

i wouldnt jump on the memory just yet, the 2133 mhz memory should be out in a month or so and bth im just waiting for all these to release at once before i get this laptop, or alienware 18x r2. (and of course rumored DDR4 memory, which probably wont be out for quite a while)

waiting for 2133mhz sodimm memory
waiting for 7990m or 680m whichever is better..
waiting for latest intel RST driver to support TRIM in raid 0
waiting for good performance SSD cost to drop

may or may not get the laptop at all or probably just waiting for ivyE or haswell CPU 8 cores 16 threads all together in about a year and half. really disapointed that 3980x will only be 12 threaded and not 16 =/

 

Hey,

Yea sorry, thats correct, the laptop can power a 3D monitor (In 3D) via HDMI/Displayport no matter what screen you have inside the laptop. The INTERNAL screen being 3D or 2D is what changes the motherboard, you can use either to drive a 3D monitor. Sorry about the confusion.

 

1866 is supported just fine, as the chipset will do it natively if its "plug and play" and if it doesn't you have XTU to overclock the memory to that speed anyway.

 

I knew you'd say something like that If so, why there's no significant difference between the 990x vs 3960x in those apps?? With almost double the cache the only difference I notice is the one which stems directly from slightly higher max clocks and improved instruction sets. And if you look at the 3930k vs 3960x, you'll find virtually no difference in CAD applications even though one has 20% more l3 cache.

 

is this laptop available in 3d (120hz screen)

 

As of today, it's not even available in 1D, lol. But yeah, when it's finally released it will come with 3D screen option.

 

I checked a couple of alienware m18x review and I did not see any oc 2920 that can beat a stock 3930 and 3960 stock in a 6 core test. even a oc desktop i7 2700k barely touch the score of the 3960 at over 5Ghz. In Anantech's m18 test, the oc 2920xm went toe to toe with the clevo 990x in gaming score. I understand you can push the oc further but that also depends on chip quality and taking apart the m18 to apply better cooling solution,custom bios and overclock skills. I don't think that's something most people want to do here.

 

Don't forget, official reviews never push their systems. The stock BIOS OC' of the M18x is a joke, it's not optimized and locked at a very low TDP. All you have to do is to run the modded BIOS utility from Windows and unlock everything. Then you can push it to 4.5ghz/8 threads and beat the stock 990X/3930k and even the 3960X in most if not all benches. Every chip can achieve that, unless you are using early ES which run hot. As for the temps, look in the M18x benching thread. You can keep it cool enough @4.5ghz but many push it past 5ghz and that's where it get's dangerous.
BTW, @5.3ghz the 29x0M murders Sandy-E (stock) in every bench.

Also keep in mind that most applications and games still benefit more from lower number of threads. So, in those apps the 29x0M shines with a huge lead (4.5-5ghz vs 3.9)

Yes, you may need to repaste the CPU/GPU but that's a must for every high-end gaming or power notebook, IMHO. With a proper paste job you can reduce load temps by 10C.

 

How does one do a proper paste job? Is there a guide for novices/newcomers to do it properly. Also how tight are the screws to be tightened which connect the sink to the mobo. Please point me to good material to get this info anyone.

 

There are so many articles and video guides on that, but I'd summarize it in a couple of sentences:

1) Use high quality thermal paste. Personally, I prefer Tuniq TX-4. It's amongst the best in thermal conductivity but is easy to apply and remove, doesn't bleed under high temps.

2) Always use anti-static mats and/or wrist straps. Statics can kill electronic components especially if you work in a low humidity environment. Even wearing an anti-static and properly grounded wrist strap, avoid touching PCB's (especially parts of the GPU/Wifi/RAM/etc which go into corresponding slots)

3) Apply paste using the "grain" or spreading methods. I prefer the first one but it really doesn't matter as long as you are careful and manage to do a good job -> thin and even coverage of the CPU/GPU die and good contact with the heatsink. Follow the numbers sequence on the HS screws for best results. I'd do it once, then remove the HS to see if the contact is good.

As for guides, you can follow the maintenance manual step by step or look on youtube.

 

I agree regarding OC speeds and performance, if you don't want to OC, then the 3930 and 3960 will kill the 29XX mobile processors and the equivalent desktop stock clocked.
For CAD/ 3D use and photo editing, etc the 6 cores will tear through rendering tasks and leave the others behind.
I personally wouldn't want to run a machine at 100% CPU capacity on all cores for upwards of 5 hours, on anything but a stock clock.

 

I've tried to make the same argument several times...... for a true comparison you have to leave the processors at stock settings and let the results speak for themselves. And in the CPU benchmarks I have seen, the new processors (3930 and 3960) leave the 2960xm in the dust.

Sure, you can close the gap with overclocking, but I'm like you; I have no plans to overclock. I don't have a need to do so.

 

Say you have two people, Bob and Sarah. Bob is tall and naturally has a large stride, while Sarah is short and naturally has a small stride, so when they're both going at their respective comfortable jogging speeds, Bob naturally moves more quickly than Sarah.

But who could beat the other in a race? You can't really tell going only by their jogging speeds. Maybe Sarah is secretly an Olympic runner, and her top speed could blow Bob's top speed out of the water.

Would you say that Bob is a better runner than Sarah because, by default, his "stock speed" is faster than Sarah's?

Is that an honest argument?