**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

^I know what you mean.

If the p270wm was properly advertised, it'd be a hit. I mean c'mon - a desktop processor in a laptop with SLI graphics capability.

That's hard to pass up considering it's cheaper than the m18x.

 

well tbh AW is pretty amazing right now, they have got all these ive mentioned except they do not have 4 fans/desktop CPU, which i can live with. other than that AW comparable to clevo is AW m18xR2 now provides 3 harddrive slots, two 9.5mm and one 7mm AND a msata, but only two are sataIII speed while msata and the last sataport is at sataII speed, which is the same as clevo's flag ship. which means no triple ssd raid 0 =/

 

AW definitely has the jump and is fighting a good fight for life to keep its ground. I guess the results can only be compared in real world tests which Clevo has a delay of race and has come up missing on the starting line.

All this Ivy stuff has to shake out yet. I was just reading how the chip density and thermo dissipation is lacking for overclockers compared to the Sandy. In other areas It sounds that the Ivy wasn’t anywhere near the jump that it was supposed to be. It seems that the switching/handling of the on-die graphics to the main video is offering a layer of problems that even to this day us new laptop users have to iron out. I don’t think any of us who are spending over ~2k on an laptop give a hoot about on-die graphics. If someone wants long battery life and wants to disable their high end graphics card, then get an IPad. As far as real world bus speed improvements we’ll have to see the numbers on each machine being compared – which aren’t even out yet.

I will be patiently waiting to look at the 270 when it gets here primarily because the desktop processor and pricing for a portable workstation solution. Don't forget, pricing is a huge differentiator. Where the Clevo lacked in abilities to overclock the same on an AW or this or that, it often made up at times more than double in pricing comparisons. I’m not going to be OC’ing, (only modest with the likes of MSI tool or something,) I just want a portable desktop solution.

We have to take all this in and laugh a little, too. It’s like NASCAR for Nerds and their PC’s or something. The conversations in these threads are basically the same as applied to talking about motor HP and car comparisons. The old Chevy vs. Ford thing…. “My 302 DZ has a Blower while your 302 Boss has a turbo. But my heads are ported and you have the Holly 4 barrel. You might bite 2nd gear when your turbo kicks in, but at 3rd gear when my supercharger runs out, etc.” Apple to apples, right? LOL

These are leading edge computers and the hype, rumors and drama come right along with it. I just really appreciate everyone who knows a lot more about this stuff than I do or has access and time to do all the testing and reporting of results. “NERDS!!!”

 

Some quick comments to above posts:

Yes. The x7200 is still king of the hill in this area. There is positive confirmation of the 7970s running in the x7200 from a reseller; still waiting to see someone post CrossFire timings with the 7970s in an x7200.

True Dat.

If you're saying thw AW m18xr2 can fit 3 drives, then the P270WM (like the x7200) would have 4, count 'em, four drive bays. Although in the P270WM, like the AW, only 2 of them would run at SATA III.

In the P270WM (like the m18x / x7200), you can run 3 disk RAID-0/5. However, in the P270WM/x7200 you can run a 4 disk RAID-0/5 config or even RAID 0+1.

Also, it would be interesting to see comparisons a hybrid SATA II/III 4 disk volume vs. a two disk SATA III volume.

 

I don't know that that is accurate. When I was looking to buy the AW it had 3 drive options and an Optical. Not 2 and an Optical. I think it does have 3 HDD bays.

 

Sorry to say I got this from two NBR members, and cannot give first hand testimony. However, given the authority of the 2nd quote, I take it the data is accurate from this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m18x/611936-m18x-only-has-2-drive-bays.html from last Sept.

and then Aik's confirmation

[EDIT] Confirmed two drives in a dual stacked, single drive bay from the user manual (unless I have the incorrect model) - http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/m18x/en/sm/hdd.htm#wp1179926 is the only section on servicing drives. So if there are three drives, it is not in any service manual nor is it talked about by the AW knowledgeable like Aik. [/EDIT]

 

Surprisingly, the M18xR2 comes with 3HDD bays + mSata + Optical drive. So, as far as storage goes, it's the top dog right now. On the other hand, lack of WiHD option is a con, that was a great feature.

 

So, your post above was about the 1st edition M18x? And is there an updated manual w/ this? The one I found on Dell's site was lacking that info.

In any case, I retract my statement, as it may be based on stale information.

 

Well I finally switched to a P170EM It's got msata + 2 drive bays + replace the optical drive, so I still have four drives. Realized the Storage was the most important aspect to me, and I can't continue to fool around with none laptop. Maybe a few years down the road I'll be back for the 270s grandkids.

 

You'll have to tell me what you think. I've heard mixed reviews.

 

Yes, I was talking about the R1 back then. Here's the R2's manual, click the user manual and navigate to the hard drives section.

 

Thx! Fascinating they can make a triple stack drive cage for one bay.

 

But when it sold this Clevo P270WM?

thanks....

 

The Clevo P270WM is not yet for sale, although there may be some still taking pre-orders. BTW, DO NOT pre-order this model.

We will hear from Clevo/Sager when it becomes available, and then you should place your order.

 

i am just hoping for a maybe, when IVY E hits, clevo/sagers will have lots of options changed and updated for the better. having more than two sataIII port is definitely one of them. and of course, if possible a new laptop screen larger than 18 inch =D

 

Since intel provides the chipset for the SATA III ports, let me know if you can get them to budge on this front.

 

well its definitely based on intel chipset but i mean there are so many desktop motherboards out there that supports more than two sataIII port, why wouldnt these high end laptop have them too? if its just simple motherboard redesign as to change the sataII to sataIII ports it wouldnt be so difficult. its not like they rebuilding chassis and redesign the whole internal with it.

 

The only desktops that can support more than 2 SATA III ports have two SATA Controllers.

 

so the laptop mobo only got a single sata controller? any possibility when any of the lappy from clevo/sager will have more than two sataIII ports? really looking forward to triple raid SSDs

 

If they can't do then at least change all the USB2 ports to 3. They need to use a better USB3 controller, one with better speed like the Fresco Logic ones on the ASUS laptops.

 

that indeed is true. ive installed windows 7 from my usb3 flash drive on both alienware, asus and clevo, and asus wins with 3 mins install time while AW and clevo took 4.5-5 mins.

 

Correct, there are no laptops that have dual SATA Controllers, and probably never will be.

We will have to wait for Intel to release a chipset that supports more than two SATA III ports.

 

I was really amazed when I tried to copy 110GBs worth of videos and it was going for 140-150 MB/s while the Renesas on my X7200 hovers at 50-80 MB/s.

 

2 2.5 & an mSata

 

Yes, the Alienware M18X has 3x 2.5" + mSATA.

However Alienware discussion is not appropriate in the Sager NP9270 forum.

 

Their pricing is far more inappropriate.

Donald, heard anything from Clevo on a possisble timetable? Obviously they're going to have to go through the QC process again, which will take some time. But have they hinted at possible release dates yet

 

What is for sure is that it is a top priority for Clevo and Sager is to get this model released!

This is the latest I have on it.

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We are looking to the week of June 11th as an estimate, but we should know more by the end of this we

Yes, Alienware definitely makes the buyer pay for all their advertising Sager tends to be the better value!

 

June 11th as an estimate for an information dump, or an estimate for a release, or an estimate for listing the model with an ETA

 

Ahhhh...I misspoke. I was referring to the AMD 7970M ship date.

The Sager NP9270 is delayed for around 6 months due to the motherboard redesign. There is no way to have a better estimate at this time.

 

right, hope clevo at least show a new mobo prototype p270 on computex
and better p170em3/p370em too

 

Wow. They realize that this is a lot of lost business for them, right? Nobody is going to wait 6 months.

 

Believe us, they know. This was a painful setback but it was a better decision to delay this laptop and work out the problems than release a potential lemon only to have a tarnished reputation and very unhappy consumers.

 

Ah, I almost started jumping for joy, then the let down . Really wanted the laptop that would be confused with an overnight bag but allas. I am however tempted by the NP9170...............

There are some systems that do not even seem to have a 6 month shelf life without residing in the discount bin. Clevo/Sager will probably loose quite a few sales because of this delay. Fortunately with higher end PC's there seems to be a brand loyalty so hopefully it will not hurt too much................

 

Well, if anyone ever argues that all Clevo cares about is $$$ and the customer comes second, please point them to this thread.

As TANWare pointed out, the six month delay is going to push a lot of ppl to look at the alternatives - quickly. However, I'm glad they made a decision to get it right with a redesign and taking the loss of sales on the chin in support of a product that will work correctly in the eyes of the customer.

 

You also have to remember that this would have been the only laptop on the market to tout a desktop hex-core CPU or even the potential for a Xeon processor.
I really can't think of any other laptop that could have offered that.

For dual graphics cards, sure there are a couple of other options out there.

and yes, jclausius, I fully agree that if Sager/Clevo only cared about $$ they would have just released it and dealt with the fall out. But they wanted to make it right.
They have also released a statement today concerning the 7970M debacle and have addressed concerns with it and the reason why they have delayed the second shipment of those cards with good reason.

 

A link please?

 

Here is the link...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/568309-official-sager-news-thread-updated-03-august-11-a.html#post8564613


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i just hope all this wait is worth it, and that ivy E better be in it lol or something along that line. and as per Donald previous posts regards to redesign on the mobo, i just wish another 20 inch laptop would be out, slim hope. otherwise, i'll be going for alienware next time around as well and actually, ive been going for alienware the 1st time, and this time just cause the 270 was canceled or delayed.

 

by your post unityole.

This leads us to believe you're waing for the redesign to purchase, and would like the IVB-E CPU. On a side note, this most likely won't happen if the rumored 22 week delay is accurate, as IVB-E release is still a long way off - most likely Q2 2013.

Yet, here, you state you won't buy the P270WM unless they bump the size, which won't happen as that is not a P270WM - a 17" LCD.

So, how can you hope it is worth the wait (assuming you will purchase), but yet not purchase unless the LCD increases to 20" display? You might as well make the switch now, and save yourself the disappointment.

 

well, i might get the time wrong but generally thats the idea, and im fully aware of when ivyE is suppose to be released around mid year of 2013. still that was my point, i would get the hex desktop cpu over the mobile quad core which means i'd buy 270 over alienware, however alienware has the edge over 270 on screen size.

this laptop was announced around feb and it got delayed, delayed, delayed and now redesigned. it better have something to offer BETTER than the spec had before, not just simple gpu upgrades cause those are necessary to make this into king of laptops, and that aside since they are redesign mobo, which is already a lot of work, why not do a little extra? something like 20 inch, i'd buy that hands down, even if its priced at 7k.

 

If I understand, you're saying you want to see something added to the P270WM (like a larger screen size) otherwise, you'll consider a different laptop.

I don't have a crystal ball, so I cannot tell you what changes (if any at all) will or will not happen, but if I had to venture a guess, I think the P270WM comes out as before w/ out little change. I'd also guess it'll still have the multi power adapter solution.

I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong, but my suggestion in your case (for a larger screen size) would be to prepare for disappointment.

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DGDXGDG,

Do you know of any specs of the P370EM? If it is an 18" lappy, then perhaps unityole could take a look at that model.

 

My pressent system could hold out for a P270 but I don't want also to have Win8 shoved down my throat. On that end I am looking to upgrade soon. The P170 or NP9170 may just be my ticket for the next four years or so..........

 

nope, shrink to 17 inch, with mobile cpu/dual gfx

 

=( i was looking at the old 18inch laptop, i kinda like the design except it sucks up all finger prints lol. the only reason i didnt go for it at that time was due to no backlit keyboard.

 

P270WM

???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

thats just pre listing

here:
À¶Ìì Clevo Eurocom Panther 4.0 P270WM 3960X 2687W 670M SLI-ÌÔ±¦Íø
they have first batch p270wm on sale right now

 

First Batch?? Has Clevo straightened things out and are ready to make an announcement?

 

I wanna hear a reseller make an announcement.

I'm done getting my heart broken by rumors and wishful thinking =\

 

seriously...i was told months