**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

There would be no point to the wm(not being rude) we're not here for "second best"

and you'd use it on battery if the power went out for what...20 minutes lol, you tried gaming on battery? everything slows to a crawl lololol

 

Personally I would not use it for gaming but the battery working as an internal UPS for me is crutial................

 

On a related note, when using SLI or XFire, the x7200 manuals already have warnings about *not* running double GPUs while on battery. I think the same thing would go with the P270WM.

 

^Apparently if you wanted SLI 580Ms and hex cores on the x7200, you needed two charging bricks. It's no surprise you would be advised not to use battery under that circumstance.

 

see...so get rid of the damn battery, save us the $200 it costs, go onto ebay and buy yourself a 1kva UPS off ebay, run your dual PSU's off the UPS and off you go

 

First, I don't believe removing the battery would reduce $200 from the base price of the P270WM.

Second, if you're going to use a UPS, then mobility is not something high on your priority list. And, if you don't really care about mobility, then why consider a P270WM?

In cases like these, I'd suggest a different form factored desktop or if you want a solution where the monitor attaches to the base unit something like NextComputing's "briefcase" computers.

 

it depends on the type of mobility your after, this laptop is perfect for those who have power available everywhere they go...which is most of us, while it is a very large laptop, it still fits in a backpack without too many issues and you don't have to plug any cables between anything, just sit it down, connect the brick and off you go (no monitor or keyboard etc to fight with) my specific use for it other than sporadic gaming is performing a lot of email file repair/organising since my organisation refuses to move to exchange.

how many of you guys have attempted to use the x7200 to do anything intensive on? mine is around a year old now I think and has only 950 with an old single GPU and it still will not last the length of a TV Episode....

 

With or without commercials? That is to say, 22 minutes or 30 minutes?

 

Do you really want a HDMI-input that bad so you can watch ____ on your laptop's monitor? Whatever floats your boat I guess, but to be honest, I'd rather see Ivy-Bridge E support and thunderbolt on a motherboard as long as it's being redesigned

 

But just a couple of posts ago you were wanting to drop the battery and throw a UPS "brick" into the mix. Dunno what the UPSs weigh overseas, but in the States, you're easily adding another 10-20 lbs to the load. Without a battery, dragging around a UPS is the last thing I want to worry about.

Count me on that one, but always on AC power. I've used the x7200 to check email or lightly browse when traveling, but after ~60 minutes, I need to switch batteries or find a power source for the PSU adapter.

 

May I ask why I can't find N9270 in xoticpc.com anymore? I'm new here.
Until when N9270 gonna be released again?

 

NP9270 has been delayed. Cannot say for certain, but personally, I don't think we'll hear anything for another 3.5 to 4 months.

 

R.I.P P270WM(3)

LONG LIVE THE KING: P570WM(3)

Spoiler

 

Same box. Different Wrapper.

This listing is the same set of specs we were given for the the P270WM, but with just a name change. I wonder why?

 

I think they are talking mid November too. By then though we may be forced to purchase this with Windows 8. I hope not as this may actually hurt sales of this machine. I mean who wants an OS primarilly meant for single simple tasks (metro) on such a machine?

IMHO, sign me up today! Looks like an awesome machine with even more I/O port options than before, could be wrong here but what a list...............

 

Oh man, still no HDMI-in.

 

HDMI in to do what, record HD video?

 

I was thinking more along the lines of capturing console gameplay or taking screenshots of said console exclusive games, or to just use my laptop as a TV when others are occupying the larger TV, or to conceal the fact that you're playing something truly embarrassing that you want nobody else to see

Woo, P570WM! Looks like it has everything its failed predecessor had, but I do notice that it now uses Intel Ethernet instead of Realtek. Sweet...

Whoa, it has a "2.0M HD video camera" as a factory option. Hopefully that is a step up from the generic camera Clevo usually offers.

Seems like it includes TPM 1.2 this time out. I'm actually impressed because it seems like Clevo has listened to some of the suggestions we gave to Sager (who hopefully relayed those suggestions).

Oh it also has an ExpressCard slot this time out as well. That should please some people. Well done, Clevo. I think? The BIOS is probably still locked down, but that's alright with me.

 

Recording game consoles I guess is still recording HD video input. I actually am quite impressed with the specs too. However I was with the P270WM as well...............

 

If it can take an 8 core Xeon processor it might be worth it. Otherwise I am sticking with the P170EM.

November? Really? A year after the X79 launched?

 

I'm pretty sure you can purchase from just about anywhere w/ out an OS.

 

Right but then try and get Windows 7 OEM etc. Meaning yes I could buy it now but then I would be hedging my bets on this system at that time frame.........

 

i want an 8 core ivy E, or hoping the 3980x sandy E would be 8 cores

 

I don't think Metro means single task. Yes it looks like it's a tablet OS, but you can still switch back to the original Windows interface.

Still, if they won't sell Win7 anymore by the time this comes out, you know where to get it

 

I'm sure the P570WM will work fine with Windows 7 SP1. I'll probably one of the first to test it out.

Man, I'm excited now. Information has leaked out 1 month earlier than I anticipated (if what was linked was accurate and it seems like it is).

Someone said that this machine is 1 year behind X79's launch. Well, that wasn't the original plan as the previous 172 pages document. High idle temps (90C range with good TIM) lead to a 'back to the drawing board' set back. But the re-design was worth it because Clevo has included several things many forum posters/future owners were asking for: ExpressCard slot, Intel Ethernet, a (hopefully) better HD webcam, a firewire port, etc. Good stuff.

I just noticed on that spec sheet that insane setups (Extreme Edition CPU + 2x 680M GPUs) will still require dual daisy chained power bricks. Well, I suppose we did get a few of our wishes granted expansion port-wise, so it's not that bad.

 

I noticed the PSU too. Too bad they didn't switch to a 400W one, but then again, portability may be an issue.

Also, I know this is asking for too much, but too bad they can't let us know the "configurability" of the BIOS. In the end, I'm sure we'll be asking for Prema's help.

 

I am pretty sure the bios, like most others, will be locked up tight. This doesn't really bother me too much for a DTR. Would I prefer an unlocked one thogh, surely I would...............

 

Haswell-EP to use the same socket, just totally different | SemiAccurate

 

Thanks for the clarification of future questions...I guess...

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Honestly, we'd be lucky to get Ivy Bridge-E support for this, although I am holding it to Clevo to release the P570WM with Ivy Bridge-E support if they have are going to make us wait until November. I would never expect Haswell-EP support on this. (I wasn't even aware that Haswell-EP might use a 2011 socket)

 

Do we have any kind of proce point on these yet ?

 

wow if thats true, p570wm might have a long life
lga 2011, up to broadwell(haswell's 14nm ver)
and mxm3.0, fully compatible with 3.1, just no pcie 3.0

so:
.."2"........=sandy b
.."3"........=ivy b
.."4"........=hasswell
p"5"70wm=broadwell
wow

 

what're the biggest difference between Alienware m18x and sagernp 9270? except the screen size.
m18x uses the desktop chipset as well?

 

Nope, mobile. Alienwares usually have the bleeding edge techs like WiDi, HDMI-in. Their complete care warranty is also a big deal. I'm considering it but I really don't like how it looks on the outside.

 

you'll get use to how it looks, its amazing. and also m18xR2 doesnt have WiDi anymore.

 

NP9270 uses a fully fledged desktop X79 chipset, which enables use of desktop CPUs like the Core i7 3820, 3930K, and the 3960X. In very heavy CPU workload scenarios (ie 3D rendering, video editing, etc.), a desktop CPU will destroy laptop CPU. That's about the gist of it.

 

E.g. It should only be bought for those who really need a mobile workhorse machine (for work) or for the select few who want bragging rights

 

We'll see how it goes. I have to RMA my laptop since it's been shutting down on me everytime I use it.

 

Thank you guys for answering me, I just don't know whether I should keep waiting for the Re-release of NP9270 or just buy the alienware m18x now.
I mean I don't really care about how heavy or how big my laptop is. So why would't I buy the one with better CPU by spending the same amount of money.

 

When do you absolutely*need* either laptop? It might be Dec. or later by the time the Clevo re-designed lappy makes it through to the supply chains. So, if you need it before then, the decision is easy.

 

By using a desktop processor the Clevo leaves the Alienware for dead...it's a MASSIVE difference..faster ram, faster ram interface, more cache, which is running faster... it's like comparing a mobile GPU to a Desktop one... Night and Day.

 

Actually, nope. The Clevo uses laptop RAM, same speed as the mobile chipsets. You won't gain anything there. No night and day difference. Even non-extreme Ivy Bridge processors will have an edge due to their partially unlocked mutipliers. The 3720qm and 3820qm can go as far as 4ghz on all cores without any problem (M18xR2). The 3920XM can go way higher. You will really have to look hard to find any real life scenario to benefit from the extra cache. Not to mention that any and all applications that can only efficiently manage 1-8 threads, will always run better on the mobile systems (due to higher clocks) and that's about 95% of all cases, be it gaming or work.

Do a research on the applications you need to run whether or not there's really any performance gain compared to the mobile Ivy bridge systems (M18xR2, Dell Mx700, HP 8x70w, etc), ask for benches on their forums and you'll have your answer. My guess is, only those applications that can utilize 6-cores at maximum efficiency will have a slight benefit when using a desktop CPU. For example, if you need to render/process TBs of data loading all 12 threads 100%, you may actually save a few minutes per hour. For those who does similar work on a regular basis, such a gain would be very welcome. But the majority wouldn't notice any difference.

 

Compare for yourself...take careful note of the Memory Bandwidth/core speeds... Cache makes a huge difference. keep in mind the Desktops have not dropped from 32nm to 22nm yet either...

Intel Processor Specifications
Intel Processor Specifications

 

right, due to intel's fuxking marketing strategy, this kind of desktop cpu dtr are losing its might

really should back to high-end launch first then mainstream

 

Anyone think they'll have 16GB SO-DIMMs ready anytime soon? I don't think the new mobo design will add 8 memory slots, but having 64GB RAM would definitely be welcome.

 

To be honest, mobile ivy bridge processors come close to the 3820K and even the 3930K. The only reason you could buy this laptop is for the 3960X or Xeon.

The processing power isn't "unrivaled" otherwise.

 

For most, but there are others like me who would like to have more than 4 cores for video encoding or software development / qa purposes.

 

oboviously you are ignorant, the links you posted shows you are a no brainer. you are simply compare number of threads + core speed and that tells me you dont do research at all. what you're doing now is like checking out only the core speed and EUs for GPU but dont look at the memory, bandwidth and buswidth etc.

Aikimox already told you, you will find very few program that renders heavy work to benefit from the 6 cores CPU and i can name a few since i do video/audio encoding and editing as well as CAD and 3D programs, and i'll tell you i only benefit about 20-30 sec, at most 15 minutes with CAD and 3D rendering due to my desktop 3930k OC to 4.4 vs my laptop 2960xm OC to 4.4, everything else its about less than 3-5 sec difference. at most you'll find the newer games that supports multi threading and these new games dont even come close to using CPU's full potential.

heres an example, counterstrike 1.6 uses single core cpu =), it runs faster on my x9000 HDX at lower temp since i OC it to 3.4ghz compare to my 2670qm on my asus which is at stock 2.2ghz, oh and guess what, x9000 has 2 cores 2 threads, 2670qm asus which is 4 cores 8 threads.

heres another one. older programs, surfing net, most games and most programs uses only 1-4 threads. so you do the math. 4 cores at 3.9ghz in sagers laptop, or 4 cores at 4.5ghz in alienware laptop. oh wait, my mistake, 3960x or 3930k can't possibly oc to 3.9 inside this laptop cause it'll just throttle even if you have 3-4 copper heatsink + thermal paste and it'll just drop speed back down to 3.0 or lower.

proof? look at people posting before you eurocom selling those 9270m which they are suppose to be redesigned, and someone get the stock speed for 3930k temp going up to 95C. AGAIN aikimox already made his point, both cpu will be using 1600/1866 mhz sodimm which is laptop memory, the only thing you'll really get a bonus is from the quad channel, which is like 1-3% bonus LOL.

seriously, research a little more before you make statements, at least do some of these tests yourself and dont go off spouting wrong info to other people. when i read product review, i wish it to be accurate and detailed, not just a bunch of numbers.

 

Actually I did.

I'll happily give you that Intel are putting more money/development time into Laptop style ECU's...it makes sense, what's the current laptop Vs desktop sell ratio? last I checked it's a greatly increasing ratio, why throw money into a dying market? as you say the latest laptop ECU's are pretty fast, hense HP starting to use laptop ECU's in their most compact desktops now..

BUT the Desktops are still faster, with the right core count (and a LOT of programs are gradually moving to using 4+ cores) and that's where those of us buying this laptops come in...we're the 1% who want the ultimate, for example one of the security programs I use is capable of using unlimited cores... every software company is gradually moving to multi core, everyone knows that staying single core is greatly limiting your processing potential.

Looking at the Desktop ECU's taking so long to drop to 22nm I can see why the Mobile chips are getting so close in speed... normally with an identical/similar core design, the chip that's able to use more power is capable of more work.

I can only assume if Clevo want to keep their unique position they may have to move to a Xeon socket.

 

So what's the deal with these machines? They've been out of circulation for a solid four months... did they just die out or something? Or are they realizing the P180HM was awesome and are making a comeback? 8D

 

Exactly!! Getting done that much faster, means I can do other things or leave work just that much earlier. Let's say an average of 8m a day x 5 days a week x 50 weeks a yr...

I'm not even going to argue this point yet, and you might very well be correct. However, I ask you withhold judgment until we've seen the re-design as you cannot say w/ out a doubt what the TDP dissipation until someone physically has tested it.