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Hey, yea i shot you an email, we don't rebuild anything, and trust me we can put a xeon two k5000's and a Intel Enterprise SSD in a machine that isn't a problem We don't keep everything on our site as a config, as we'll then we would have configurators that are a mile long lol. Thanks!

 

again you might wanna do some more research on this SSD. size and durability isnt everything. first of all, DC s3700 800gb is a 15mm thick drive, while most SSDs are 7-9.5mm. even 12.5 mm HDD would have problem fitting into most notebook. you're looking at 15mm, same height as velociraptor..

fitting one 15 mm SSD would mean u can't fit three 7 mm SSDs. s3700 400gb is 7mm, while 800gb is 15mm, why not just get three of 400gb in raid 0 for near 1.5GB/s performance and together as 1.2tb of storage?

 

The PCIe based 910 we wouldn't be able to do, as thats a FULL size PCIE card that wouldn't fit. However, we could do an expresscard adapter to a PCIE dock that would fit it, but as a single lane it might not have really high performance, but we could engineer that

For the actual 2.5" market the S3700 is the enterprise drive to have that'll fit in a normal drive bay.

 

yea i just changed it cause he changed his original point of view. also, Takazeo, i donno if you read it but my first line of suggestion was not to get from Eurocom even if they do offer this HETMLC SSD. as you can see already, 800gb should cost 1800 dollars, not 2250, and they dont tell you it's 15mm. a SSD reviewer told me these drives would be on retail in early Jan, and probably much cheaper, it is up to you if you want to wait or not.

seriously though, if clevo machine can fit these 15 mm drive, i would have gone for two velociraptor in raid 0 even if it overheats LOL. but anyway, get it from mythlogic and others, just not eurocom lol

 

I appreciate your opinions very much. I read on the situation with eurocom and being stalked by the president online. However, I checked with the bbb and they are listed as A+ have taken and resolved 3 cases in the last year only. I mean evey company can't be perfect, I am looking for more than just one horror story from more than one peeved individual. I have read almost evey review that I can find, there are a couple that are from 2009 not so good, and some others from earlier 2000's, but honestly I haven't seen any others accept the one you just mentioned about a guy who got a discounted price matched 2000 dollar plus system and got the wrong GPU and was pissed. I am talking about $10,000.00 professional grade system. I know a lot of these systems go for game enthusiasts, but they are engineered for the professional market like mine. It would be very hazardouse to their market if they screwed over their top end market don't you think? Why do I care if the drive is 15mm? If you read any reviews on the thing it is freaking amazing and faster than anything I have seen. There are no marks with it in this configuration however, but for them to even be offering it to me is impressive. I sent mythlogic a quote reqest. But they don't stock all these parts, and seems to me just getting your hands on the parts is the most difficult part of the build. Your analogy to the velociraptors is not in the ball park of what I am looking for, those are for Gamers, I need something 100% stable/secure/reliable, longevity of 5-10+ years and the fastest possible non-OCed. This is the best of the best and I won't be using it as a server but for highend design and modeling( which should give it even more life span). The 3x400gb is tempting however no one even offeres that config. I will be ordering something in the next 24 hours so I hope to hear form Myth about the quote. He mentioned about the 2687w being a 150w CPU and the x79's only supporting 135w chips, but seems that it would be a mistake altogether to even offer such a combo if its for a mobile server, they would just be getting them sent back to factory one after the other. Anyone else have some info on this would be very interested. I don't mean to sound defensive for a company I have no real experience with, but they are the only ones offering this outright, and their online track record is not to shabby as comparred with others out there. If there is some other experiential opinions out there please chimme in. Neither good nor bad but Mythlogic doesn't even have a rating by the bbb.

 

if i know correctly 400 gb was announced to be 800dollars, but again, as i was told it'd be cheaper. just so you know u'll only fit ONE 800gb SSD in it, and its as easy as opening the bottom bay with few screws, take out caddy, fit drive onto sata port, done and it takes less than a minute to do yet you are willing to pay them 450 for doing that for you?

this will be important and you will want to know this. 800GB SSD with OS, loading files/data from the same drive, basically the 6gbps sata bandwidth is split up into many section of read/writes and you'll really be getting about 50-100mb/s speed for majority usage, not much different from running OS off a HDD with exception of 4k read/write, and this SSD isn't even that fast in 4k area, its just durable. if you were to raid SSDs thats different story, you could have your primary software and OS run off a raid0 set of 400gb at 12gbps (800gb in size) and that doubles your performance, while your data are saved on the 3rd 400gb SSD and mostly be used for read only during work, and write only when saving your work.

Eurocom might be the only one offering this SSD choice, im sure if you talk with the guys at PNB xoticpc and mythlogic they'll gladly help you out, its a $10k machine right? why would they turn you down for such a purchase.

no matter how much a professional workstationg you want it to be, it'll be restricted by the fact that its only a 17" computer with a almost non overclock-able CPU, you're better off getting a 8c/16t xeon in it. you are doing professional work? then most software run full cores full threads, xeon will own 3960x by far, hands down.

a work station with 3-4 HDD bays with no raid array? not professional lol.

 

It wont be resricted at all with a 27 inch ips at my desk, and capable of running multiple super high resolution renders with about a yoda-plex of gamma and photon at CS6 max resolution, while I am adjusting on other screen with other GPU running solid works Rhino AutoCad and watching a blue ray. Try that on your machine see what happens...if you can afford the software. You where told it would be cheaper? Do you own the New P570 chassis? At present I can only afford the single s3700, that is why I am only getting one. And why wouldn't I be able to fit more than one in chassis? They are made with 7mm architecture according to the intel website. UNLIKE the previous 9.5 and 15mm architecture. If you have another source for the dimensiional data let me know. At present no one has the s3700's in stock. Eurocom claims that they will in only a few days. We'll see. Also, according to intel site they have been released. And really only two screws??? thanks for that info I will keep it in mind(sarc). I have built and taken apart several older PC and notebooks. I am quite familiar with the procedure for installing a drive. I am pretty sure that your wrong about only fitting one s3700 2.5 in the machine. You should know that some testers of the 800gb ssd have gotten read writes on on the 800Mb/s level. Yeah I was kinda concerned with the situation of having the OS on the same drive. I am a bit perplexed as to how to remedy it at this point. Also you should know that xotic, won't do the k5000m's I've asked, am in discussion with Myth right now, but they won't have drives for at least a month. I will very much consider the 2 or 3 400gb ssd in raid option. But I might just wait another couple of months and get another 800 and put it in raid then. I am bit sceptical about writing the os to Raid 0 seems like it should all be together in one place for security and stability. But Raid is fairly new to me and I am only reading about it's capabilities.I have never understood why it is so important for the gammers to overclock there components. it just leads to problems down the road. How many time a year do dragsters rebuild their engines? Like evey week I think. I don't want or need to OC the system it makes no sense to me at all. If you have a rifle that shoots 600 rounds a minute you might configure it to shoot 900 but how long will the barrel last, the seare, the springs. Electronics are even more prone to electromagnetic hysteria. Knowing your limits and not pushing them is in my opinion very professional.

 

Seriously PNB, Xotic, they got nothing advertised of this caliber.

 

i think im beat and you are missing a whole lot of things i have said but i'll make it clear again about the SSDs and overclock. your examples are interesting and is right on but contradicts on what wanted. since you dont need overclock and will not be overclocking, and these software uses multiple cores, xeon will get you the maximum performance because it has most cores. may or may not work, how long it will last, thats just your theory, but in the end it's just math. 16 threads at 2.7 ghz or 12 threads at 3.2 ghz, as simple as that. there are other things like CPU architecture and more cores gives less performance, but let's stop at this point for now, it'll just confuse you. you are unable to find out what I mentioned about 800gb S3700 being 15mm, then maybe you should look into it again.

I will state it again, 100, 200, 400gb of DC s3700 comes in 7mm, while 800gb version of s3700 comes in 15mm. a few thing about raid. your internal connector to a hard drive or SSD (SATA) bandwidth is maximum at 6gbps approximately at 600MB/s meaning the maximum speed you can go is 600MB/s, in theory. while any SSD has it's own speed limit and IF you only have a SINGLE SSD (800gb in your example) is around 500 MB/s, you need to run OS, background services, read/write work data files, gaming, running drivers, running software, doing actual encoding work all off a SINGLE DRIVE, that means 500MB/s will split it's speed for all of these, depending on how many things you decide to run at the sametime.

in raid0, you have two 400gb drive, each 500MB/s so twice as that gives you 800gb, at 1000MB/s. simple math, you get more performance. if you want facts, you can find them online, if you can't find them, maybe spend a bit more time learning how to find them, sorry man thats all i got to say lol.

 

Oh I think I "Comprehend" what your saying, EXCEPT You are wrong!, :"◦Height: 2.5” 100GB, 200GB, 400GB, and 800GB 7.0 mm thick"; see: Intel SSD DC S3700 Series Enterprise SSD Review | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews, for confirmation on the height of the drive besides intel. I do appreciate the info on the Raid side of things. Your making some sense in the xeon although I think the marks for the E5-2687w that I have been talking about pretty much blow away any of the others. I do see your point about the two 400gb ssd's in the raid array using the maximum bandwith of the 6gb/s slots that makes a lot of sense but haven't been able to locate anyone offering these yet. That CPU is a 8c/16t that runs at 3.1 up to 3.8GHz not 2.7 or what ever your talking about. lol, lol, lol, lol lol, even more out loud.
hmmm did I confuse you? Where did you get 2.7 ghz?

 

I don't mean to interject, but I thought I'd clear a few things up.

1. E5-2687w = 8 cores(16 threads) @ 3.1Ghz(3.8Ghz turbo boost).
2. S3700 comes in two form factors: 1.8 inch and 2.5 inch with 7mm height.

Enough discussing things we can easily Google; we are human, and we make mistakes sometimes.

With that aside, I really don't know what Eurocom is selling―unless it is a pre-order type thing; the P570WM is just barely going into production. There is nothing about it really anywhere, and I find it odd that Eurocom is selling it, and only Eurocom(beside the European re-sellers, of course). Even the notebookcheck of the P570WM mentioned that, the model they received was "a test model." I would wait until a few other places have the P570WM, as well―just in case.

 

It's been found that with equal over provisioning you can get similar results on other drives, intel drives are good and i'm sure the S3700 would make an owner happy but there are reasonable alternatives.

 

did i ever mention which cpu? there are multiple xeon, all i did was pick a number in the lower end, still out performs 3.2 at 6c/12t. i think you're confused

 

Well you can pick anyone you want that one is the top dawg, and especially for multiple applications on this board, I have seen the head to head even with an overclocked i7- 3970x and it does well, but the 2687w still puts it in the grave. Your "simple math" , doesn't make sense in the head to head numbers. Maybe you need to learn how to do a proper search? lol before you where sure it was 15mm, and now you are sure it is more powerful? The OCed i7-3970 gets way to hot for the notebook anyway. It only even approaches the 2687w when it's OCed to like 4.6-7 ghz, and even then it can't produce in the benchmarks as well as the 2687w. Thanks for your interest in my problem. You have raised some unnecessary red flags, but you have also helped in the Raid department. so happy holidays.

 

I'm thinking about a lower end Xeon, such as the E5-2650, which has a TDP of 95 watts. I don't really need the clock speed all too much; a delta of 55 watts(in relation to the E5-2687w or 3970X) is quite a difference, at least it *could* be―how much it actually is in relation to thermal output, we shall see. Grant it, the thermals are not going to look pretty no matter what CPU is used―lawl.

Possibly, the low voltage Xeons might help, as well; the E5-2650L 8 core @ 1.8Ghz doesn't seem all too problematic for me. With a delta of 80 watts, there might actually be a big difference in thermal heat. Of course, my requirements are almost strictly core count, which is not the same for everyone.

 

chill out dude, if you dont need overclock, why even get 3970x when a xeon would just destroy it in multi threaded multiplication.

 

Yes, just be aware the xeons are totally locked so you wont get anything more out of them.

A quad 3.6ghz would likely be more efficient than a oct 1.8ghz.

 

Possibly, maybe there might be some logic in getting the 3820―since it is the cheapest―and then upgrading to IVB-EP later on, which will *hopefully* have better TDP ratings relative to core speed; of course, I have no idea, and I am not a hopeful person either. Still, a lower end Xeon would be better suited for what I wish to do and the laptop would benefit from the lower TDP. Perhaps the E5-2670 @ 2.6Ghz? With a delta of 35 watts(compared to the 3970X) it might fair much better; I cannot find any benchmarks with any low voltage Xeon(s), but I have found quite a few with E5-2670. While it is bested by the 3970X in PCMark 7 and a few other tests, the arithmetic capabilities and speed of encryption/decryption of the E5-2670 are quite impressive.

 

the 135TDP server cpu seems a good fit for this laptop, without overclocking and stock imo its very good for media editing. however for single core softwares like games and bunch of others, a 3.6 ghz is much better and faster. i dont know how much faster 600 mhz is for a software rely only on 1-4 cores but higher clocked CPU also gives better performance to SSDs. turning off cstate and clock cpu higher tends to give 50-80MB/s more at QD1 speed which is quite a bit faster.

as for ivyE it might not be cooler than sandyE, 3940xm runs hotter than 2960xm when overclocked but that was for mobile cpu, not so sure about desktop though.

 

Ah, yes, guess I'm just a bit scared; we require actual benchmarks for this laptop, lawl. I suppose we shall have to wait for those. It is true that single threaded applications fair much better at higher clocks when compared to more cores―it is not only proven countless times by a variety of both synthetic and realistic benchmarks, but it is also quite logical. I tend to imagine conveyor belts and robots. If I were to only have enough robots for one conveyor belt, then the faster the conveyor belt travels the more the robots would be capable of manufacturing. This is opposed to having many robots and multiple conveyor belts. With more conveyor belts and robots, there is a higher production yield per n conveyor belt cycle; therefor, this example is capable of churning out the same amount, but with slower paced conveyor belts. With this analogy, I suppose single threaded applications are only capable of using the former "factory," while multi-threaded applications are capable of the latter "factory." Perhaps that is much too rudimentary―oh well.

Pitty. Hopefully, IVB-EP will fair better. One can hope, I suppose―only if I were a more optimistic person.

 

chances are we wont see an octa core haswell E, no die shrink means TDP will not change much. maybe broadwell or skylake? so if anyone want an octa core, have to go with xeon cpu. the quad channel memory in this thing isn't really all that of a boost however x79 chipset is a good chipset, for storage at least.

other than that, getting a 17 inch screen isn't really my type, going smaller from a 18inch will be awkward, it strains my eyes.

 

btw just want to confirm a few things with windows 8 coming out and stuff. will this computer have unlocked bios? several features im really interested in would be esata port multiplier, cstate on/off, adjusting FSB/voltage/amps etc for CPU also changing multiplier instead of just relying on turbo boost.

also, just how well is the built in raid controller for this laptop? and what usb 3.0 controller does it use?

 

I understand that. I wasn't talking about Haswell-E, or even IVB-E. I was only discussing IVB-E P, the server processors.

Yes, but probably one of my biggest disappointments with this laptop is that it doesn't have 8 SODIMM slots. If we were going so crazy as to put a DESKTOP processor in a laptop chassis, then we might as well go all out with memory, too.

I wouldn't like that much, either. Although, I am a bit picky, so my opinion is invalid.

 

We'll need to wait until someone receives one. However, your best bet would be to purchase a Mythlogic version of this as they use their own BIOS. In regards to a BIOS from Sager/Clevo, history suggests the BIOS won't contain anything but the basics.

 

hey man, im still dreaming about having a 20 inch laptop with dual CPUs and three way SLI/CFX GPUs, 8 slots of ram and 6+ HDD bays but can't have it all =(. wouldnt mind seeing a dual xeon in a laptop LOL, getting one of those dual CPU mobo and somehow mod it so it'll fit into a chassis rofl or just make a chassis of its own kind =)

eww!!!

iwent to mythlogic and cant find it

 

It's actually more complex as there are so many mixed scenarios. Some apps work best with 1-2 fast cores but have issues with 4+. Others can benefit from 4 cores but with 6-8 cores performance degrades. The majority of real life scenarios aren't black or white and so it really makes sense to have both the number of cores and OC'ing potential. That's why the 3930k seems to be the sweet spot, IMHO. It doesn't run as hot as the 3960X/70X and can be easily OC'ed (at least in the desktop segment). Only problem, the P570WN might have very limited OC'ing potential (locked BIOS and inadequate cooling). If that's the case, the 2960XM would still be the winner in the majority of tasks due to its insane OC'ing headroom. 8 threads @ 4.5ghz 24/7 would be better overall than 12 threads @3.5ghz or 16 threads @ 2.5Ghz, as long as you are not looking for a workhorse that does 24/7 encoding or heavy computation tasks. In those rare cases when few minutes per hour can translate into hundreds of dollars per month, you might be better off with Xeon's.

If you use lower TDP versions - yes. Otherwise, probably not.

 

That is epic on so many levels. Essentially, you want a desktop scrunched down into a laptop chassis, but without any of the negatives of a laptop—the ideal laptop, lawl. Unless, of course, the laptop uses Clevo's keyboard—ugh.

Did you not see how I said: "Perhaps that is much too rudimentary―oh well?" Yes, I know it was a poor analogy—sorry. The problem is I am writing the software. I'm writing the encryption/decryption algorithms; most of the ideas I have scale very well with an increase in core count, but not as well with clock speed. Of course, I also would like *some* portability, since I move around quite a bit, but that is a different issue.

Technically, the 3930K has the same TDP as the 3960X, only the 3970X has the increased TDP with SB-E; In SB-EP the E5-2687W has the same TDP as the 3970X. This is why the E5-2687W is less expensive(despite having a higher clock)than the E5-2690 @ 2.9Ghz, which has a TDP of 135W—compared to 150W[E5-2687] . They have nearly same performance, but the E5-2690 has a much better TDP.

 

If writing software is your main activity, than yes you would benefit from cores more than you would from clocks, I totally agree.

It's not just about rated TDP. Real tests show that the 3960x runs hotter, in part because of the extra cache, in part due to slightly higher clocks. Can't say anything about Xeons as I have never tested them personally. But my guess would be, more cache -> higher temps. The E5-2690 seems to be an interesting choice, albeit very expensive. I'd only go for it if it could pay itself off in a very short time. Otherwise, it's just a waste of money and you will always stay behind in games and benches that take advantage of higher clocks. If I had free money to throw around, I'd go for a 3930k and invest some cash in improving the cooling system.

 

The XEONs are all locked though, so if you want to have fun the unlocked consumer CPUs are the best to go for.

 

Oh? That's quite interesting. I doubt it is much, though. Is it really anything of importance? Could it not be negligible? 3MB more cache is not all that much, and I don't think(especially after overclocking)that the temperatures between the two would be all that much—maybe I'm wrong.

I agree; $2000 is the approximate price of that CPU, which is the price of a high-end computer build—maybe not quad GTX 680s high, but definitely a decent machine.

Probably the best bet for most people. I quite like the idea; imagine, if you will, a water cooled system similar to an H80, but fitted inside a laptop. I don't know how one would do it, but it does sound like an interesting challenge. I believe I saw something about a similar concept, but I can't remember where at the moment. I suppose the biggest challenge would be were to put the radiator—a decent radiator.

Yes, while the extra (defective)cores on the 3820/3930K/3960X/3970X(and even some low end Xeons, lawl) are also locked down. I don't want to overclock, so it is of no consequence to me that the multipliers on the Xeons are locked own.

 

the 3960x was tested and ran hotter than 3930k which is pretty strange. 2960xm and 3940xm has the same TDP, with 3940xm being Ivy bridge smaller die but runs hotter than 2960xm, also didn't make much sense, intel =/

 

Rather everything is in order. The smaller chip is a smaller contact area with the cooling system = worse heat dissipation.

 

It really can't be that much hotter though. It makes sense that the 3960X runs slightly hotter than the 3930K; although, it still does not make as much sense that the 3940XM runs hotter than the 2960XM. The former does consume less energy though, right? Yet, TDP is not a measure of power consumption; rather, it is a measure of a thermal output―the maximum amount of heat that a cooling system must dissipate. I suppose the higher clocks(first 3.0Ghz mobile CPU) are the reason behind the higher tempreatures.

Honestly, that seems rather silly.

 

The heat transfer function is directly proportional to area

 

Well, of course. That's not the silly part. The silly part is the actual size of the CPU chip(and therefor the total area of the CPU) has not shrunk. The manufacturing process has shrunk. Have you not seen pictures of people HOLDING a single CPU wafer? It would be crazy to say that it is 22nm in size. Furthermore, if what he said was actually applicable, then we wouldn't want to get smaller; we'd want to get bigger. It is true that area is directly proportional to heat dissipation, but, again, the area of the CPU has not changed; it's how it was manufactured.

The fact of the matter is this:

A die shrink != lower TDP.

A die shrink == less energy consumption ---> lower TDP.

 

That's logical. And Rofler's response makes sense too.

Also, I've read that the internal thermal paste Intel chose for mainstream Ivy Bridge is less expensive and runs considerably hotter than the fluxless solder in Sandy Bridge. This Intel-applied internal TIM is applied between the internal metal heat spreader and the CPU die, and removing the heat spreader to replace the cheap TIM is not an easy task and will apparently void your warranty.

Since Sandy Bridge E CPUs were released only a few months before mainstream Ivy Bridge, are the Sandy Bridge E CPUs using the cheaper TIM? And are the Ivy Bridge mobile CPUs affected by the cheaper TIM?

Any ideas what Ivy Bridge E will have?

Is Intel cheaping out on the IHS thermal interface for Ivy Bridge? by VR-Zone.com
Ivy Bridge proven to suffer from poor thermal grease by VR-Zone.com
In Japanese: Japanese website Impress PC Watch

 

Ok the gate length is a somewhat arbitrary representation of the process, but yes the scale of each transistir shrinks. More discrete transistors are packed into the same area so a chip with the same number of transistors on a smaller process will be physically smaller.

Fortunatly we make each transistor more efficient, but if we spend that on frequency then we run at the same tdp.

AFAIK all sandy cpus are soldered to the ihs so I would not try to remove it.

 

What Meaker said is correct, but the physical size of the CPU chip does not shrink, therefor this property of matter does is irrelevant in the scenario. It does apply quite a bit with the IHS you mention later in your post. The IHS is put in place strictly to create a larger area for thermal conductivity for the CPU; nonetheless, what is under the IHS does not change in size(at least for the same family of processors), and since the IHS is not in place in notebooks the area of the CPU does not matter. What matters is the energy efficiency of the processor.

The problems with the applied TIM are irrelevant in the notebook world as the IHS is completely removed; of course, it is not in this laptop.

Correct.

The transistor is not really made more efficient, although Haswell will definitely get to prove me wrong with a new architecture implementing 3D transistors. What changes is the amount of space electrons must travel—the smaller the distance each electron must travel, the less voltage(and therefor energy) is required to complete the same task;less energy then results in a lower TDP. Of course, like you said, these benefits are eliminated after overclocking, but it does allow for more thermal headroom.

 

Real tests show that 3960x pulls way more watts than 3930k both stock and OC'ed. -> hence comes the extra heat. The real reason is unclear to me but given the limited cooling, every watt counts. So it's a no brainer which I'd go for.

 

Thanks guys, lots of helpful information!

So what is the story on this system? I've read it's been delayed for months, yet several Clevo dealers said it would be available mid-December, etc. It seems Eurocom are the only one selling it, with 2 versions available.

Did anyone actually purchase one yet?

It's interesting, and desktop CPUs would be nice in a mobile system for my work, but I'd really prefer most of the ports moved to the rear of the P570WM since in every datacenter, NOC, conference room, recording studio, or live gigs I've been in horizontal space is limited while front-to-back space is not as limited. I wouldn't mind a thicker 4" notebook either to help with cooling and space for more ports. Anyway, just thinking aloud.

 

rofl they need to up the cooling, it'll be beast if 3930k can OC and run stable at 4.5ghz on all 6 cores. massive amount of copper is needed though =/. make it thicker? or make it bigger.

3930k 130TDP with 4 pipes heatsink and two fans, 2960xm 55TDP with 3 pipes heatsink and one fan. that 4 pipes will need to become 5 pipes to be as efficient as the 3 pipes in alienware, just my 2 cents

 

Yes the physical size of the chip does shrink:

IVY: 160mm^2
Sandy: 216mm^2

That's with Ivy having more transistors (1.16 billion vs 1.4 billion) and most of those towards the graphics so really the CPU transistors which will be working the hardest are in an even smaller area.

Even if you assume an equal heat output per area (though remember sandy has the CPU heat over an even larger difference) that's a 35% smaller chip, quite a significant difference.

Remember that the IHS is not included on mobile CPUs and we see the same difference there, it does not improve thermal performance it hinders it by adding another thermal layer, it's there to protect the core from high pressure heatsinks on desktops, the limiting interface (CPU to IHS) is still the area of the CPU.

Ivy bridge has already introduced the tri-gate transisitors but even if the design is not more efficient, each transistor being smaller makes them more efficient, they can be made more efficient by manufacture as well as design after all.

 

I am waiting for other resellers to list this system. I am unsure why it has not been listed already; I suppose that it has only begun production en masse. I think if this laptop were not to show up soon, my only other choice would be the M6700.

Neither would I mind a higher resolution screen, but that's not going to happen anytime soon—what a shame.

That would be fantastic.

Why not six heat pipes? I think that could fit.

I stand corrected, thank you sir.

I prefer not to assume anything.

That's another reason why the IHS is in place, but that is not its primary purpose. You are incorrect in thinking that the IHS is not in place for heat transfer. I am sure you know what IHS stands for, correct? Integrated heat spreader. It's primary purpose is to exchange heat from the CPU onto a larger and more thermally conductive area.

Yes, that is why I mentioned Haswell and not Ivy Bridge. I believe that the 3D transistor will reach its more full potential with the new architecture; this is mainly because the lowest Haswell CPU has a TDP of only 10W, while the lowest Ivy Bridge has a TDP of 17W.

 

I just pulled the trigger on the P570, it should be here in about 10 days. Configured: 90% NTSC, 32gb 1600 RAM, 2X4gb Quadro k5000m, Xeon 2687w CPU, 3x512gb Samsung 840 pros(ordered seperately). (note: couldn't wait for the DC s3700's from intel). So i suppose we shall see some of the answers to many of the questions here. Can't wait to get this system and try it out. I will be running a seperate U2713H dell monitor off of the system at my studio, hopefully this will work well for all my needs

 

You ordered it from Eurocom? If that were the case, their RAM upgrades are atrocious; I really hope you didn't pay over $800 for 32GB; I would have upgraded it myself—nice SSDs, though. I am excited to see how your system turns out.

 

Actually was able to get a smoking deal from them about $1500 off the configurator. So I feel pretty good about the price. Plus they were able to give me a tribal insignia, and hopefully will give me a break on another set of power packs for home. I am interested in finding a attache' that will carry this beast. I ordered a skin that will fit the m18x, but would like a nice leather carry bag. The only one I could find is a McKlein chicago style and I think it is more like a small suitcase, any recomendation would be helpful.

 

I suppose that does make quite a difference, lawl. Enjoy your system, mate; I hope there will be no problems. I just use my massive backpack for when I'm carrying my computer around, along with quite a few pretty big books; I'm not into aesthetics all too much.

 

I picked up an Everki Titan originally for my d901C but now it is a good home for my P370EM. They have many that cover up to 18.4". The Everki gear is not leather but the bags are top notch. Lots of accessories, including a rain screen that attaches which works quite well. Also, way to many pockets.

NCIX usually has good sales on most of the bags, ~$100.

 

Takaezo,
Looking forward to your impressions.
The P570WM should fit in the Targus 17” Deluxe Leather Laptop Case (Model # TLE400).
It's a nice leather business case for between $80-$130 from the big-box retailers or between $50-$60 from Amazon.
I purchased one for my P370EM which apparently has the same width & depth dimensions as the P570WM, but it's half an inch (12 mm) thinner. The laptop pocket has plenty of room to spare, but the 300W PS is a tighter fit in the outer pocket.
Targus 17 Deluxe Leather Case Model TLE400

 

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Takaezo,

When your order comes in, do you mind sharing the BIOS pages? TIA