**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

i pricematch at NCIX thats about it, those Everki bags are a rip off, looks and design are cool I admit it cause i own one, but it ripped in less than half a year, especially the straps holy smoke rip so fast. I'd go for alienware m18x's bag, looks more sturdy.

 

Been using Orion (AW) Bags for a few years now, never had any issues and I'm a very frequent traveler. Highly recommend.

 

JC, I don't mind sharing what ever I can. I would like to do a fair review of the product and system for the community here. I hope that I have time to do it right away.

 

Sequencer1,
I was looking at the targus leather 17", the pictures I saw looked like it was really cheap leather, and the stitching looks not so great(flimmsy). If you could expand on that for me I would appreciate it as the pictures make it difficult to judge the quality of the manufacture.
Thanks

 

I need some help to decide how to configure my new samsung 840 pro's 512gb ssd's. On the P570 there are (according to the owners manual), Four drives, two at 6gbit/s and two at 3gbit/s. I have one of those in use with an optical drive. So remaining are two at 6gbt/s and one at 3gbt/s. I regularly have very large files that I am saving and accessing from 1-6 GB file sizes. I would like to configure the appropriate raid option to maximize my performance as I previously discussed here breifly. However, although I have three identical drives, I don't have three identical through put speeds. I have an extrenal drive that I can use to back up data every so often. Should I install windows on one ssd and set the other two to raid 0? Or should I put them all in a raid 0 array? And if so (which ever option recommended), what happens when the missmatched through-put bus is mixed in the array? what are the best options for this drive slot allocation? Where should I install os? Should I partition one drive and set them in raid after? I am not familiar to the Raid world so excuse my nievety in this regard. Ideally I wanted all my software( a significant quantity 100gb) on a seperate partition with my OS, or is this not realistic or necessary with raid 0. Should I use one of the drives as primary software only and the other two in raid 0, since they are different speeds what combination should I use? Thanks in advance for assistance.

 

There's a first sequence of unboxing pictures from Germany - there's more to expect from this veteran Clevo enthusiast SFVogt.

[Sammelthread] 17,3" Clevo P570WM(3) SLI/CFX High-End DTR (2012) - Seite 7

Will keep you posted!

 

Well yes, it has a whole new manufacturing spin and a new model number so it's been round the block a bit as it where.... But it looks to be going live finally.

 

just curious, any chance this thing gets a new chipset? possibly on the 8 series when ivy E comes out?

 

The photos do make the case look like it has the typical shiny cheap plastic 'leather', but rest assured it is real leather, and it's average (or better) leather, but not top-grade leather. It's certainly worth the $59.06 I paid on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. I bought the same case from Office Max about 5 years ago for ~$100 for a Dell E1705 (Precision M90/XPS M1710 chassis) and the quality has not degraded over the years. I gave away that notebook and case after 2 years of walking 1 mile daily back-and-forth to the office, and the zippers, stitching, handles, etc were still in excellent condition with no faults. This may sound silly but just for comparison the Targus case goes well with Florsheim, Rockport, & Nunn Bush $100 dress shoes and is of similar quality. It's a good case for the P370EM but maybe a $300 Hartmann or Samsonite leather case would go better with the P570WM.

Discussing RAID is like discussing religion or politics.

• You are looking for speed over redundancy.
• You would like to keep your optical drive, so that leaves you with 2 SATAIII (6gbit/s) ports and 1 SATAII (3gbit/s) port.
• Your options are limited.

• Your 1-6 GB files are being modified/accessed/processed by software on the Clevo, so a RAID 0 should help.

• A RAID 0 array spanning 2 512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSDs (on both 6gbit/s ports) would show up as a single ~1.0TB (~1000GB) drive to Windows. This is overall the fastest RAID scenario listed here, and should be almost twice as fast as a single SSD for both Read & Write speeds for the large files you are working with. Your Windows OS, software applications, and large files would go on this RAID 0 array. This setup would leave you with a single free 3gbit/s port, where you could install 1 SSD/HDD and Windows would see it as a completely separate drive, which you could use for whatever you choose, like manual backups of important individual files.

• A RAID 0 array spanning 3 512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSDs (on both 6gbit/s ports & the remaining 3gbit/s port) would show up as a single ~1.5TB (~1500GB) drive to Windows. This would give you a lot of space but would theoretically be slightly slower than the above RAID 0 scenario because of the 3gbit/s port.

• A RAID 5 array spanning 3 512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSDs (on both 6gbit/s ports & the remaining 3gbit/s port) would show up as a single ~1.0TB (~1000GB) drive to Windows. A RAID 5 theoretically would have Read speeds almost as fast as RAID 0, Write speeds noticeable slower than RAID 0, but with adequate Redundancy. RAID 5 is very common with rackmount servers with expensive hardware disk storage controllers (with their own built-in CPUs, memory, firmware). I personally would avoid RAID 5 with a software storage controller (Intel Matrix/RST), but there are no other options in notebooks, even ones with desktop or server CPUs.

• As stated above, you can span a RAID 0 or 5 array over 3 disks on both 6gbit/s ports & the remaining 3gbit/s port, but disk I/O performance would be at the slower 3gbit/s speeds. Also, as Rofler stated, the total array's speed will be as fast as the slowest device including the SATA port it is connected to, and of course the physical disk itself. I've never set up a RAID array over 'mismatched' ports, so to me it seems like the chance for something to go wrong would be higher. But I could be completely wrong.

• Data Redundancy (i.e. - RAID 1 or RAID 5 as in the above case) is used in servers for high-availability, so that if a disk fails, the system won't crash, and the business won't lose money or customer confidence. It is not a backup method but unfortunately people use it as such. Backups are always necessary even with 6+ disk RAID 50 arrays. Reliable SSDs like the Crucials, Intels, and the Samsungs are generally more reliable than any traditional spinning mechanical HDD, so some people may opt for a single SSD and frequent backups.

• Best bet would be to get a $300-$500 NAS (QNAP or Netgear w/ built-in CPU and 2-4 HDD ports), connect it an available port on your switch (or wireless router for smaller setups), enable remote access, and then you could access your files anywhere with a internet connection at good consistent speeds.

• Some third-party backup software will backup hot files, or files that are currently in use. Most backup software will allow you to set up backup schedules so that full or incremental backups are done at a certain time of day automatically, for example at night.

 

You can run via mixed SATA revision ports from a RAID array; generally speaking, SATA III is backwards compatible with SATA II. Yet, it is important to understand that in a RAID array(no matter what kind of array you create) the total array's speed will be as fast as the slowest device; essentially, "you are only as strong as your weakest link." Nonetheless, you will still benefit from the increased speed of a RAID-0 array, just not to the same potential. I would suggest you purchase two laptop HDDs(presumably 2TB) and place them in the SATA II ports, and make them a RAID array. Thereafter, wire your Samsung 840 Pro SSDs to the SATA III ports, and make them a separate array.

 

Oh dear. Double post—my mistake. Can I delete it?

 

The files are always being modified accessed and processed by software. I don't typically move them just access them from many different software applications, make necessary adjustments and resave them. In the past however(old system) this process could take as much as an hour just to save a file. Typically if I was working on one model-file and had even two applications open for more than an hour at a time, I would get frozen screens, blue screens and more than anything lack of functionality within the software itself. This was the case not just on one system, but pretty much any mobile system I have seen. Hence the extreme build. What about a Raid 5? I was reading about it today. I think what I would like to do is put the two drives in Raid 0 at 6 gbt/s, and use the single 3gbt/s (other is optical drive and necesary) as a mirror back up. If I do this however, my concern is that I may be shooting myself in the foot by saving data twice and mirror at lower speed will cause bottle neck giving similar problems as before. Maybe I would just use a single array Raid 0 for two drives and leave the third one out all together? But then I am still having to back up the data at the end of each day or every other day anyway.....however it would not be happening while software is open and running?? I appreciate the Ideas so far,, simple solution is often the best solution. One Raid zero array with the two drives holding OS and high resource demand software applicaitons and files and the other by itself holding low demand software and files sounds like it might be the way to go in this case. More input form others would be much appreciated, again thanks in advance for expertise and advice.

 

Hello wall of text. Try to break up longer posts into different paragraphs. It makes it much easier to read.

Raid0+1 is what you are talking about but it really needs two identical raid0 arrays to work properly.

 

I agree. Please don't break them up into weird and cheesy chunks, though.

I also agree that what you[Takaezo] wish for is RAID-0+1, otherwise known as RAID-10. In RAID 10, I think the best way to explain it is with a simple byte. Here is our byte: 10 10 10 10. One important note, however, is that there are two types of RAID-10—RAID-0+1 and RAID-1+0

In a RAID-10(RAID-0+1 specifically) array they will be arranged like so:



In another type of RAID-10(specifically RAID-1+0) array the byte will be arranged like so:



For comparison, here is RAID-0 for the same exact byte:



And RAID-1:

 

Thanks for the clairifications, I will try to break up the text in future posts.

 

Hi,
I need some help.

Clevo site has no drivers P270WM.

Where do I find?

 

The P270WM was recalled. If you were to go on the site and search for the P 570WM/P570WM3 then you will find the necessary drivers.

 

lol how did you get your hand on the p270? ebay?

 

I curious on where you got it too, as far as I know they never made it to market because of a needed motherboard redesign.

 

Prolly some early ES systems ....

 

Remember Eurocom squeezed out a shipment of them (QS Quality basically) to customers so there are some running around to be had.. Not a whole lot but a few.

 

Yes. We even a small thread with another dude who purchased it from them, can't seem to get a hold of it right now, I'll post if I find it.

 

actually, i recall it was in this thread was it not? someone posted he got off from ebay, and from eurocom and had tough time returning the computer. he also mentioned something about 3930k stock idle temp at 90+C and was unusable.

 

you are ringing a bell, this thread is huge and my memories are shattered across thousands of threads and posts, would be great if you could find it

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...er-np9270-clevo-p270wm-owners-lounge-169.html
Goto the posting of Xazak, there it is :...

 

I blame it on not having DDR4 memory.
my memory was off it was few mins stress test to get to 90+C and not idle.

 

DDR4 would not help CPU temperatures and is not released yet. Quad channel DDR3 1600 is enough to feed these CPUs.

 

let me correct that a bit, my memory was off cause i didnt have ddr4 memory

 

Oh, a joke, sorry ^-^

 

As the Rofler, I must say: I rofled.

 

I wonder if Takezo ever got his laptop; it has been over ten days. Maybe I'm just impatient.

 

lol clevo is losing load of money if they dont bring this out soon, or maybe its already too late =/

 

It is a niche product and making sure it's good to go is likely their top priority so they don't get more issues.

 

so in regards to overheating issue, since heatsink didn't change, doesnt that mean it will still overheat? so.. how will this come out at all if it overheats and then throttle?

 

There are many under the hood changes you can make to machines in a revision, heatpipe materials, fan profiles, power component choices and power control circuits.

All of these need to be in proper alignment for a stable system.

 

They should have thought about that back when the X7200 was recalled, not a year after the P270 was recalled, lol. It's like shooting yourself in the foot, then waiting for it to heal and then shooting again, hoping to achieve a different effect...

 

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

 

I could see heatpipe materials changing from copper to some other metal, there are only few other metals have better heat conductivity than copper, but are extremely expensive, maybe a mix? as for fan profile, they should just have the fan goes to near max instead of like 80% since it makes no sense to go with this laptop and have to do power management.

getting either this or AW, first I'd do is try to turn cstate off in bios, then toggle it in windows, and then put battery profile to high performance and include bunch of other window tweaks as well as power tweaking at bios level. then finally overclocking it to at least 4.2+ghz, otherwise not worth it lol.

theres also a real problem, the bottom plate where air goes through seems extremely small, at least compare it to AW those air vents on the bottom are TINY. I understand the fans are smaller but those vents.. clevo needs to do something about it..

 

Being the owner one of the first edition x7200s, I don't recall any recall. Something before its availability to the public?

 

There was a partial recall due to multiple motherboard failures at the very beginning of the cycle. I remember cause I was selling them at the time, lol. Brought me and my clients some serious frustration.

 

Heatpipes are not about the copper outside but the heat conducting materials inside and the wick design and material.

 

The main parameters of the heatpipes are the diameter, flattening and curvature/bending radius. As for materials, whether it's sintered powder/mesh/groove wick, copper or ni-plated, matters very little. Most pipes are standard/cheap sintered powder wick. The efficiency comes from 3 major factors:
1) radius and number of pipes (partially flattened and bent pipes greatly reduce heat transfer)
2) size of the radiator (the effective surface area of the fins, from which the hot air is removed by the fan). Also the spacing between fins. The smaller the gaps between the fins, the slower will hot air move out of the system, but bigger spacing means less fins => lower heat transfer.
3) Fan's CFM


And by carefully analyzing the old and new heatsinks, I can tell you that the difference in heat transfer seems to be negligible.

Any BIOS tweaks done by Clevo to cope with heat would most likely mean throttling algorithms.

 

I agree with Aikimox. I hope they are different, but I'm probably wrong like you said; a man can hope, I suppose. I just hope it isn't the latter—BIOS tweaks. I still think there could be a more combined system with a fluid.

 

how could you have increase more fins in AW? that thing is like a perfect fit already lol, even triple piped heatsink seems to be maxed out with no more spaces left. that aside I didn't think thickness of the pipes matter that much, shouldnt it make more sense greater surface area matters more?

also ive been looking for Fans that would fit into it, imo AW fans are already pretty damn strong, and loud. compare to clevo's fan x2 for CPU, those two fans are tiny..

 

2 more fins could be added to the M18x heatsink without changing the spacing between fins. One more heat pipe can be added, as well as extra copper and pyrolytic graphite wrapping.

"Thickness" or diameter of the pipes plays crucial role - the bigger the diameter -> the higher is the flux. Bent and flattened pipes have reduced heat transfer characteristics.

Fans are pretty much maxed out unfortunately...

 

thats some nice info to know. this reminded me and I just took another look at clevo's heatsink and yea it is a beast of a heatsink but too bad it's trying to cool 150+ TDP CPU. with that ivyEP coming out, getting a 10c/20t would be awesome, only at 130TDP, it would totally work lol, not to mention it's the same socket.

as for the fins in m18x, I don't see any point adding more pins simply because it out of fan's reach and can't cool it or maybe I should take a closer look. as for bent pipe, really ashamed if only they could keep it all straight, theres also space factor too. I'm really tempted to mod the heatsink, cause I have two lol

 

true, adding more fins has very minimal impact on overall performance of the heatsink. Dell needs to take that 2-fan-2-radiator-4 piped cooling approach and use it with mobile Haswell, to allow 5Ghz stable 24/7. Dreams

 

Fins are very important to the cooling since it is the surface area that is actually delivering the heat, if the fins are too hot already adding extra heatpipes is going to do nothing as the maximum amount of heat is already being dissipated.

Tighter packed fins need a higher fan pressure and weigh more (along with costing more) so they will be a balance, but if you have control of the fan speed a higher rpm and denser fins would greatly help cooling.

 

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ROFL damn expensive. I was thinking of getting two but.. probably not happening lol

 

There are some new Crucial/Micron drives coming out later this year at 1tb for $600. The read/write that I saw was pretty impressive as well. If you're looking for a large drive I'd keep an eye out for that.