Well I'm changing machine.
follows the specifications.
SAGER NP9380-S
CORE I7 4930XM
16GB RAM DDR3 1600MHZ
DUAL 780M
120HZ 3D PANEL
BD READER
500GB SSD SAMSUNG EVO
KILLER 1202
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Anyone have an unknown device in device manager? I think it's related to the airplane mode driver but I cant get it to install on 8.1. Machine is 9380s on a clean install of Windows 8.1...odd thing is I never had it before.
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Here is the link to the newest drivers that just came out this week.geko95gek likes this. -
That email is not true in my case. I didn't need the additional graphics power to run the 3D. I have been running it on high in battlefield 3, ghosts and in Crysis 3 with no problems...and I only have one 780M. (Overclocked it though) I had to kick it down to medium on COD:Ghosts once during gameplay, but other than that, it's been great. Gotta tell you though, if you are NOT going to use the 3d, you don't need the 120Hz screen. If you can wait till Oculus Rift VR comes out for the 3D, I would wait for that and stick with the AMD's.
I tried using AutoCAD and Solidworks on the single 780M and it handled that ok. Not great, but ok. There are always going to be some things that work better on NVidia and some that work better on AMD. Graphic Designers should definitely stick with AMD and forego the 120Hz 72% gamut screen and go with the 90% gamut or above. You will have to go glossy on it but I don't think you have another choice at this price point. If you are a hardcore gamer...Nvidia is definitely the way to go because of the PhysX and Cuda handling. AMD can do PhysX, just not as well ( look it up on Youtube). AMD seems to excel at other things like floating point and video encoding, etc.(just really slow on drivers) My friend is a programmer who works at AMD and I am always giving him crap about that (sorry Matt if your reading this).geko95gek likes this. -
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Here is my rig:
1 Sager NP9380 - GTX 780 - 3D Special - Gaming Laptop
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz 3D 72% NTSC Color Gamut Matte Display (Model LP173WF2 (TP)(B1)) w/ 1 pair nVIDIA 3D Glasses
30 Day "No Dead Pixel" Guarantee (this was free from the reseller)
nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 256bit w/4.0GB GDDR5
Intel Core i7-4700MQ (2.4~3.4GHz) w/6M L3 Cache - 4 Cores - 8 Threads
Sager Thermal Compound (Took it off and re-pasted with IC Diamond)
16GB (2x8GB) DDR3/1600 Dual Channel Memory
750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive (pulled this out and put in 2x 256GB SSD's)
6x Blu-Ray Reader/8x Super Multi Combo Drive (Pulled this piece of crap out and put in a HDD caddy for the 750 HDD I pulled out of the Bays)
9-in-1 Memory Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/SD/Mini‐SD/SDHC/SDXC)
Built-in Intel Wireless-AC 7260 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n + Bluetooth 4.0 (Dual Band)
8 Cell Smart Lithium-Ion Battery 89.21Wh
Full Range 330W Auto Switching AC Adapter
No Sager Logo I got the Logo taken off because I wrapped it in Carbon Fiber. It took about and hour to do but, man does it look sweet. Plus, I couldn't stand the texture on the mouse touchpad so I had to cover it up too...feels much better now.)
1-Year Parts and Shipping plus Lifetime Labor and 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Support (Labor & Support paid by PNB)
I am planning on doing a video review on it, but we will see how much time I have to do it. I was away on business this last week so, I have a lot of catching up to do on here and techInferno.geko95gek likes this. -
The install couldn't be easier. It will feel a little clumsy at first, but you will figure thins out pretty quick. My 12 year old son did it within an hour (all by himself) and he only asked me to help him with typing in the activation code.(I said them out loud and he typed). So you can see it is pretty easy to do. Let me know if you want to know about anything specific, and I will be more than happy to help. :thumbsup: -
Where did you get the carbon fiber wrap?
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Here is the link for it. It's made by 3M. Don't get the 3M Di-Noc stuff though, it's for cars. That is permanent. This stuff is really nice because if your taste changes, all you have to do is just heat it up and pull it off clean. I have used it before with stellar results. It really does look great, and it is a great protectant. Plus, I couldn't stand that touchpad. It was glossy so, my finger kept getting stuck while I was mousing. Now it has much better glide and looks better too. Just make sure you have a good set of Exacto knives, a Blow dryer or a Heat gun, and alcohol to clean the laptop before you install. I took me about an hour to do it. But I had done it a couple times before, so you may want to give it an hour and a half if this is your first time. I will take a picture for you tomorrow in the daylight and post it, so that you can see how it looks. -
Thanks for the link. I do want to wrap mine. I would like to see a picture, especially how you wrapped it around curves and corners. The last wrap I did was a custom cut, but I haven't seen one for the Clevo/Sagers.
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Its going to be a little delicate I think as air bubbles do kill the look. You maybe want to practice first.
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I didn't wrap the underside of the laptop, because seriously, I don't look at the bottom of the laptop. I also didn't wrap the bezel on the edge of the screen (just the part that I look at). I originally wrapped it, but then I noticed that the carbon fiber design had a little shine to it and I didn't like the distraction while I was looking at the screen. So, I heated it and pulled it off. I also did not wrap the brushed aluminum part around the keyboard because I kinda liked it. I did wrap it and thought that I like the aluminum finish better. So again, I heated it and pulled it off. The only tricky part I ran into was the fingerprint reader. (actually I think it took me 15 minutes alone just to do that one spot). Now I know why they charge $200 to do just three surfaces. With a little time, some preparation, and PATIENCE, you can do it yourself for about $10. Hope that helps. -
I've actually edited mine now because of that. How did you find the 4700MQ in the benchmark tests? Did it OC well?
This is what I'm thinking now:
1920x1080 Matte Full HD display (with XMG logo)
i7 4700MQ (instead of 4800MQ)
2x Radeon HD 8970M 8GB total VRAM
8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600 RAM
1TB Hitachi Travelstar HDD
Intel 7620-AC Wireless + Bluetooth
Blu-Ray Writer
What do you think mate?? The lower price of the CPU means I can get that 1TB HDD added and Blu-Ray drive (a must for all high-end laptops), also it works out cheaper for me than going for the 4800MQ which isnt going to give me any more benefit in games. I will of course later on do an mSATA RAID setup, for now I cant get big enough SSD for what money I have left over. So I'll just wait till next month., unless you think its a better idea to go for a small SSD instead?
Is the 4700MQ really locked down like Meaker says it is? Can I OC it to get to 3.7Ghz or more for example? The MYsn guys (where I will buy from) advise that 4700MQ will be completely sufficient for gaming and wont bottleneck the 2x Radeon HD 8790M that I'll be using, Not to mention its almost £100 more expensive! -
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You have to keep in mind that Haswell chips are locked, at their current voltage. You have to drop voltage to lock the clock and that is (IMO) stupid. So many stability problems with that on a laptop, I could type for days on the subject. I am sure others on here will disagree with me on that point but, to each his own. Besides that, the I7 is so damn fast you don't need to worry about speed. I have no need to overclock mine. It will run anything I have. Most overclocking system builders like the AMD chips because they are unlocked.....which normally means you will be able to get more juice from a value CPU (not all the time, but most times...more bang for the buck). The I7 is NOT a value CPU, it is damned expensive(aka: the Mercedes Benz AMG of CPU's). It has been tested and then retested to make sure that they squeeze as much as they can out of it while maintaining stability. Hence turbo boost technology. If you download the monitor you will see it jump up to 3.6-3.7 all the time. BUT only when you need it. This combined with an active system cooling policy will keep the system cool and quiet when you don't need the juice. Bottlenecks with this CPU will not be an issue. There really isn't too much software out there that needs I7 power. For gaming?...your buddies at MYsn are correct.
As for your rig. If you are asking my opinion...I would drop the Blu-ray writer (cost benefit ratio is too low) and get a Blu-Ray reader/DVD combo drive, then drop the HDD down to 750GB or 500GB- 7200 RPM. Then order a 256GB SSD online ( check here comparable prices) , then when you get the Notebook, just swap the HDD for the SSD (it's 4 screws, so easy!) Then simply put in your OS and Apps and games on the SSD and Put all data on the HDD (Movies, pictures, documents, etc.) One of the largest bottlenecks in a system is the HDD. You are not going to see too much improvement in gaming (10-14% for games that require lots of redraws) because most games load the game into Ram, but for everything else, you are going to see a great boost in performance, system temperature, power and noise. Better yet, don't order a HDD at all (spinning HDD=more power=more noise=more heat)and get yourself a external USB 3.0 1tb drive for about 50-60 USD and move your data over to it when the SSD starts to get full. Hopefully by then, SSD drives will be less expensive and you can just pick up another one for the laptop and move the data onto it. mSATA isn't worth the money... YET. (a lot of people are not going to like me for that last comment.)
The great thing about this laptop is it's upgradability. Storage is cheap right now. If you want it later...you can always just put in then. And with Xmas coming...the prices are going to drop fast. I am sorry for all the ranting, I just didn't want to leave anything out for you. Hope that helps you with your decision.kevidad likes this. -
Wow mate, thats very extensive and useful answer! Thanks,
While I try and digest that (will shortly reply with a concise post). This is what I get from other members on the CPU choice topic:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...-worth-upgrading-i7-4800mq-2.html#post9460959
I'm just thinking about the future and being able to not worry about CPU for the life of the machine, also considering the cooling is so effective with this model that just spurs me on to choose the faster CPU. Apparently more and more games will be focusing on multi-threading in the future. -
By the way It doesn't look like I am going to get around to taking those pictures for you todayI will try to post tomorrow. sorry bout that.
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) If you don't want to spend the money for a CPU upgrade in a couple of years then spend the money now on a 4930, but I don't think your budget will allow for a $800-$900 upgrade. Sorry, I am an engineer. So, everything in my eyes is a cost benefit ratio(CBR) or a Return on Investment (ROI) problem. I know that this might sound harsh, but I am being sincere when I tell you this. It is hard to convey emotion and intonation in the voice, via text.
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I've got till Monday to decide because thats when the order is going in. I'm leaning toward the 4700MQ though, however some people are adamant that will bottleneck the 2x 8970Ms tho.
1. I cant change for a Blu-Ray reader, Blu-Ray writer or DVD-RW is the only 2 they stock.
2. I will eventually get mSATA because that seems to be better option, considering I can fill up the HDD bays with massive amounts of storage or some SSD drives later. I always keep running out of space as I like to download lots of Trance mixes and songs. Each track can be up to 25MB!!!
3. I think ideally I will have 2x SSD in the hard drive bays, 2x mSATA and a 3TB external storage HDD.
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I'm also having trouble choosing between the Crucial M500 120GB and the Samsung 840 EVO 120GB, most reviews online seem to consider the 840 EVO faster in many aspects.
They both seem to be similar price for me, with only £6 more for the M500. I'm leaning more towards the EVO at the moment.
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I'm slightly confused because some users are telling me to stay away from TLC NAND of Samsung lol
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After working out my finances for this month I'm glad to say that I can actually go for the 240GB Samsung 840 EVO.
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I guess its better to do a fresh install anyways.
Pretty sure I'm gonna do the same thing I did on my HDD, so 2 partitions... 1 for Win 8 and 2nd for Win 7. Another thought I'm having is to just use it for Windows 8 and then once I get another SSD for slot 2 I'll install Windows 7 on there. -
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I'm having lots of people suggesting to go for the Crucial M500 240GB here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...13-i7-4700mq-worth-upgrading-i7-4800mq-5.html
Derek and MYsn guys suggest going for the Samsung 840 EVO 250GB instead as it's faster where it will count more for me, loading games and playing videos. Really stuck now lol -
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For you, because your moving videos, read/write speeds are important than the 4K IOPS. The Crucial read speeds are good, but the write speeds are about 250MB's, as compared to the Samsung's 520MB's. I think that the issue that most people have with the Samsung is the TLC not the manufacturer itself. Most consumer grade drives are built in multi level cells (MLC) but are limited to 2 bits per cell where as the TLC SSD's can use 3 bits per cell which allows them to be a little faster BUT, tend to degrade faster than MLC. What does that mean for you the consumer?, well not much, considering the high end consumer uses/moves about 10GB's of data daily. So that would put the average life span of a TLC SSD at about 14-16 Years. If your not moving Huge files everyday....then that is going to put the lifespan at about 43-51 years. Now I don't know about you, but I tend to upgrade my systems every 3-5 years or so. That usually involves me getting a new drive. Also with the advent of TRIM technology, (that's a fancy way of saying that the drive spreads the writes to different cells more efficiently to maximize endurance.) your computer will be obsolete before you have to think about changing that drive out. Biggest problem so far has been firmware issues in early evolution on SSD's (kind of gave them a bad wrap). Most firmware issues have been resolved, as of the latest evolution of SSD's.
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So! My Mate bought a LG1715...He had it 4 days and his mrs broke the screen!
So I have been tasked with fitting a replacement. Im under the impression its just a Clevo P370SM.
Im in the UK. Im looking for 1080p MATT screen...can anyone point me in the right direction? Make and model of a screen or supplier?
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There are 3 different versions of the screen, you have to pop it open and look at the model # on the back of the screen. Different screens have different gamut settings. Any of screens should fit the opening, it is just a matter of how much money you want to spend and what gamut settings you want. Here is a link to check out what is available. Hopefully you will get some better suggestions from some of the resellers on here.
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I suppose I could replace it with any of those, non of the prices are scary....Shame there's no 1920x1200 -
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Model number on the screen is: Chimei Innolux N173HGE - L11 Rev .C1
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If I had to put down some criticism I'd say that you probably should have turned the flash off.
Btw mate, I'm considering going for the 120GB SSD instead and getting the 120hz monitor panel. Wonder if its worth it, I've seen some compare videos and there is a noticeable difference in motion not just in games (even at low FPS) but Windows in general. Ooh I'm so tempted haha!!
EDIT: Oooohh noo, now I've been reading that the 120hz panel is only available with Nvidia cards (even though the resellers website lets me select it together with AMD). What a pisstake, is this true?? I do not care about 3D, I just want the smoother image while playing above 80FPS. I know this has already been discussed, and I have told my gf that my new laptop will cost around £1,300 so adding a 120hz display at cost of £140 will equal to a lot more than I'm allowed to spend haha. I guess I will have to ask Meaker how to overclock the stock display to around 80hz or 100hz.
OK, after lots of faffing around... this seems like the optimal config for me in terms of spec and price/performance ratio:
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PS. I know that if I put more funds towards it I can get a single GTX 780M. However, if I do spend anymore my girlfriend will slap me around the face... ** with a frying pan** and then run away to her parents house lol with my bank card so I'll end up single with no money and a swollen face. I wanna liveeee xD -
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To answer your question, no, I don't think you will need the 120Hz screen. Just do as Meaker suggested and overclock the display. Since you are in UK your probably going to get a max of 100Hz (50Hz scan in EU), but that alone should be a big improvement for your eyes. Since Enduro and Optimus is disabled on this laptop you won't have to deal with the Intel switching we had to deal with 3 years ago. The trick is going to be finding the software to do it. I am sure Meaker can fill you in on the details. I haven't overclocked a display in years. The only reason I get 120hz or higher displays is to rest my eyes when I am working...oh...and for 3D (60Hz per eye). You may not notice the flicker of 60hz but your eyes do. If you are like me on a computer 6-10 hours a day....wow, does it make a difference on eye strain. But, if you don't spend that much time on your system... not so much. I think that the smoothness of games in high frame rates is also improved, but I am not that big of a gamer to even notice. I think all the games look nice in ultra. D2 Ultima is our resident gamer so he would be the best one to ask about that (he always gives good advice without all the fanboy criticism). :thumbsup:
I know that you have made up your mind already, but if I may...You may want to reconsider the 4800MQ and the 120GB SSD on your budget. If you get the 4700MQ and replace the 120GB with a 250 GB SSD your going to get better performance on your SSD and it should not cost you anything more in price...and keep your face frying pan free!!geko95gek likes this. -
If you have an Nvidia card you can overclock te display using the Nvidia control panel.
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Also, almost everyone is telling me about the lower CPU + bigger SSD but I've got my mind set on the 4800MQ now . Plus I will hopefully get a bigger SSD and/or an mSATA drive close to Xmas when there are some special offers. Probably more RAM as well.
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