*** Official Sager NP9380, NP9390 / Clevo P370SM, P370SM3, P375SM Owner's Lounge ***

I asked Mythlogic about this in an online chat and they reported seeing no issues, at that time (a few weeks ago). They are a Clevo builder, so based on their answer, I would say yes, they have tested it.

Derek from Xoticpc got feedback from Sager on this issue, post #40 in the **Official Clevo P177SM-P170SM / Sager NP8290-8270 Owner's Lounge**:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/720323-official-clevo-p177sm-p170sm-sager-np8290-8270-owners-lounge-4.html

 

It might just need slightly careful selection of msata drive.

 

Hello,

I sorry for everyone reading this thread, but this will be a long post. I am thinking of getting either the Clevo P375SM or the Clevo P570WM as a desktop replacement, that needs to be portable due to my work restrictions. I would love to run 3 external screens for gaming when at home. Which one of these would be best, the specs i want are:

Clevo P570WM

Mobile Display: 17.3" Full HD 120Hz Matte 72% Color Gamut
CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K
Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
RAM: 32GB DDR3 1600MHz or 16GB DDR3 1866MHz ? ? ?
GPU: 2x NVIDIA GTX 780M SLI
Optical Notebook: Black 6X BD-R / 6X BD-ROM / 8X DVD+RW Blu-Ray Combo Drive
Hard Drive 1: Samsung 256GB 840 PRO Series
Keyboard: Standard Backlit Keyboard
Wireless Card: KILLER WirelessN 1103 - The ultimate wireless gaming HD video experience
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional
Warrenty: 3 Year platinum onsite pickup

TOTAL: $ 5,817

Clevo P375SM

Mobile Display: 17.3" Full HD Matte 72% NTSC Color Gamut
CPU: Intel Core i7-4900MQ
Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
RAM: 32GB DDR3 1600MHz or 16GB DDR3 1866MHz ? ? ?
GPU: 2x NVIDIA GTX 780M SLI
Optical Notebook: Black 6X BD-R / 6X BD-ROM / 8X DVD+RW Blu-Ray Combo Drive
Hard Drive 1: Samsung 256GB 840 PRO Series
Keyboard: Standard Backlit Keyboard
Wireless Card: KILLER WirelessN 1103 - The ultimate wireless gaming HD video experience
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional
Warrenty: 3 Year platinum onsite pickup

TOTAL: $ 4,766


I need these to last as long possible. Is there anything i should change on the setups? I'm not too sure on what RAM to get, 1600 or 1866. I woul use these as a ram disk for some games. I would love a 120Hz screen for the P375SM, but i dont think that is possible atm.
I have read that there are custom bios' for these laptops but cant find any online.


Cheers all.

 

Neither of these laptops are what I'd really call portable, they're both SLI'd, and pretty much loaded to the teeth in terms of RAM, SSD. So what it boils down to the following: do you need a modicum of portability (ie: you're travelling more than from the living room to the home office, or from your work office to the lunch room), or do you want absolute power for any and every application there is? As much as I like the P570WM build you have, because of its ability to utilize quad-channel (and thus a noticeable increase of RAM bandwidth), you're looking at having to transport potentially 15-plus pounds of laptop. Furthermore, with dual 780's and a 3930K, I would opt for the 2nd power supply; even if you're simply gaming, that configuration is sufficient to push a single 300W PSU to its limit. Having that 2nd power supply reduces PSU stress, and because less PSU stress equals less heat, the quality of power delivered to your laptop could potentially increase - thus making a happier computer.

If all you care about is absolute power at work, P570WM; if you want to be able to move about (ie: from work to home), P375SM, and don' forget to turn its lights off!

Jason

 

By portability, I mean taking it on a plane, flying 2 hours to work, leaving it on the desk for 2 weeks, then flying back home. Taking to mates houses for gaming nights as well. Not using on public transport or anything.

I do know that the P570WM does need the extra power supply. The two power supplies are included in the price.

What is wrong with the lights on the 375?

I have also read that we are unable to overclock these laptops at the moment due to bios problems. Tho i do know that some stores make their own custom bios'. I wouldn't mind overclocking a little bit as a trial.

 

If you get a P570WM, you can definitely overclock it. It's essentially a portable desktop. In fact, it is running a desktop CPU. There's no other laptop like it on the planet (at least that is mass produced). The fans are loud when it is stressed. But it's not designed to be quiet as this system isn't intended for the meek. If you're only going to be sharing this machine between desks at the office and at home, you're good to go; however, the P570WM isn't a machine you're going to be taking to the food court or lounging with on your couch. This is a huge behemoth and it is only "mobile" in the sense of comparing it to a real desktop computer. It is by no means a laptop that has mobile functionality. You definitely wouldn't want to be lugging this thing around in a backpack "on the go." It's 20 pounds of gear in computer and PSUs alone.

The P375SM's i4900MQ can still be overclocked, but it's far more limited than the Sandy Bridge offering that is the 6-core desktop 3930k CPU. This machine is still a big laptop, however. It just has the convenience of less power consumption so you can get by with one power supply. You're still burdened by two very hungry 780M GPUs in SLI though. You're not going to be utilizing high performance/heavy processor load on battery power. But you can at least get 2 to 3 hours of remedial use for email, browsing, office work, a movie, etc. The battery in the P570WM is more less a UPS. You're not going to be doing much of anything for very long on it. I would consider the P375SM more travel friendly than the P570WM; you're dealing with manageable size.

If you need a crazy amount of power that's more portable than a real desktop computer, the P570WM is unbeatable. However, if you can compromise some of that CPU power, you may find the P375SM less annoying for transport and certainly quieter during high performance use and heavy processor load. And even if big, it's still at least functional or more manageable for mobile use, albeit limited.

Also, there's nothing "wrong" with the lights on the 375 per say. Some people just don't like flashy lights on their rigs. Fortunately, you can just turn them off with function keys with the new EC firmware / BIOS update.

 

Awesome, thank you for that information. I won't be using it without been plugged into a socket. I think I may go for the 375SM due to it looking quite a bit better and a-lot more maneuverable. I dunno if the $1k price tag can justify essentially 800mhz and 2 extra cores. What else does the 570WM have that the 375SM doesn't?

Are the specs in the 375SM going to work well with each other? Will there be a bottleneck with the selected CPU and GPU's?
Is the 375SM able to play games on 3 external FHD monitors without use of extra components? I'm not sure how the thunderbolt port works.
What RAM would you choose for these system's? 32GB @1600 or 16GB @1866?
Is there anything in these 2 specs that people think i should change?

Where would i be able to find a thread about modding these?

 

There won't be a bottleneck with a 4900MQ CPU for current games. I'm not even sure there would be one with the 4700MQ, but I might feel safer with a 4800 based on a recent review. We're talking about quad core processors here. I don't know if much higher cost of the 4900mq or certainly the 4930mx is justified in a mobile gaming rig unless you just have the money to throw at this thing. If you do heavy rendering or graphics encoding work, then sure; but benchmarks with the 4800 and SLI, even OC'd, looked impressive and there was no apparent bottleneck.

I'm not sure gaming with 3 external monitors from laptop mobile GPUs is acceptable even with 2x780m SLI. You're going to have low frame rates with the newest games even at lower resolutions and stuttering could be a problem. Dual external monitors is pushing it. But for three, you really need to look at a desktop GPU solution in SLI/Crossfire for that kind of power.

16gb is plenty for gaming. I don't think you're going to notice a difference between 1600 and 1866mhz.

The SM series is still in its infancy... stay tuned.

 

Cheers for all your help champ. I think im definitely set on the 375SM.
I heard the 780m is almost the same as a 680 desktop, so i would think it in SLI would work 3 monitors fine. How would i use 3 external screens on these? Would i have to go the path of the Matrox TripleHead2Go DP Edition or can the Thunderbolt port do it. I'm not sure exactly how that port works.
Would love a 120hz screen with it tho! are there any modding threads that have been started? i think im interested in changing the light bar to different colours to match the centre k/b lights.
One step at a time tho.

 

Have you looked at the P370SM / NP9380? It's basically what you have, but without the "racecar lights" on the back of it. IMHO, it gives off a more professional image than the P375SM.

 

The 120Hz screens are coming, for certain. They aren't here yet, however. But they are definitely coming. Mythlogic has suggested that they'll be here around mid-july or so; definitely before august. Also, instead of ramdisking, why not get another SSD for your games while you're on the P375SM? You could go the mSATA route and take the PM841 128 and a second 512 option (you'd have to go through mythlogic for these at the moment though) and it'd still come out cheaper than the P570WM you were planning on buying. Also, the PM841s are cheaper than the 840 pros in the regular hard drive bays for some odd reason... so enjoy XD.

 

I have considered between the two: P370SM3 and the P375SM, and there is from $100 - $400 price difference in favour of the P375SM. From reading through this thread and hearing it has the better cooling, that is why i decided the latter was the better choice. Also looks like it has better modding potential.
Still not sure on which RAM to choose. 32GB 1600mhz or the 16GB 1866mhz? Im thinking of getting the 1866 as it gives me a bit more head room for potential overclocking.
Is overclocking done through the bios, or though a windows based program?
I dont have the PM841 hd's as an option on my website. Due to me living in Australia, the GST is pushing the laptops from america through the roof. More expensive as the Aus ones. I was looking through Mythlogic, but even with the discounts it is still about $200 more than the Aussie resellers, which is strange.

 

You get a 3% discount in price if you pay with a bank wire transfer; I don't know how much closer it would match the new prices though. As for the aussie ones, good luck. I've not looked at them so I guess filling the basic hard drive slots would work best. As for the RAM, the difference between 1866 and 1600 is pretty negligible, but if you use RAM intensive programs (Adobe After Effects for example) then the 32GB 1600MHz will help you well.

 

Cool, cheers for that. This laptop will really only be for watching movies and playing games on either the laptop or external screens.

 

Could you please link this review? I just purchased a P375SM with a 4700MQ and single 780m. Should I have gone with the 4800MQ?
Thanks.

 

Just curious. Apart from saving battery life. What are the other purposes of auto iGPU/dGPU switching (In this case nvidia optimus)?

For those with P37xSM series will they still be able to even use the Intel HD graphics 4600? For example, Intel quick sync when rendering videos in Adobe Premiere Pro etc?

Thx in advance.

 

Besides the better battery life then you can also get at quicksync, which because the Intel HD is disabled on the P3's you won't be able to use that (QuickSync or any Intel HD graphics), but the nV/AMD based GPU will help render out in Premier etc.

 

Will the dGPU's life span be reduced in anyway since it'll be working all the time?

And will nV/AMD render faster than intel quick sync?

 

QuickSync is poo!
Unless you want inferior quality. No x264 (best encoder) support.

AnandTech | Intel's Haswell - An HTPC Perspective: Media Playback, 4K and QuickSync Evaluated

"For users looking for the best quality transcodes, software based x264 can deliver better output with tweaked options... (such flexibilities are just not available with the QuickSync encoder)"

 

quick question...xoticpc what happened to your live chat? I don't mind calling but I prefer text chatting...

 

With a single 780m, you're perfectly fine. I linked the review in the previous thread with the benchmarks by HTWingNut. The P375SM he used for the review had a 4800MQ CPU with 780m SLI. He showed OC'd benchmarks and had no bottleneck. However, my point to the previous poster was to say that though I doubt the 4700MQ would bottleneck SLI either, it was only 120 usd more for 4800MQ and a better value for the extra horsepower versus the much pricier 4900 or hefty 4930mx. The point being that unless you're doing some serious rendering and encoding, 4900 or higher isn't worth the cost for just a gaming rig imo with this current generation of mobile GPUs and games.

 

We've actually been out of office since the third due to the holidays. Closed at our normal time on the 3rd, closed the 4th and 5th so we could travel for the holiday, and closed the weekend per normal. We're back in the office now though and taking calls.

 

Hello all,

Well I got my P375SM today! YAY!

So far so good, haven't had the chance to run any games as yet, still getting drivers and whatnot sorted.
So I am wondering if I should attempt to run this in turbo (4700MQ) and if so would you recommend the following to make sure it's stable? :

CPU-Z / Intel Burn Test / Core Temp

Do I need to change anything else in BIOS or just set to turbo? Could you also point me in the right direction to OC the GPU (GTX 780m)?
Haven't OC'd before so I don't want to **** anything up.

Thank you all for your ongoing support.

 

Congrats on your new machine -- it's a gaming beast. You shouldn't need to change anything out of the box in BIOS except boot order maybe if you install your own hard drive/SSD.

The easiest software IMO to OC your 780m is MSI Afterburner. Just install it and start pushing your GPU at 10-15ghz increments, then benchmark for stability (I use 3Dmark11 and Unengine Heaven). It should be ok to start at 50+ on core and 100+ on memory. The couple of us who have P375SMs already with dual 780ms top out around 100+ core/300+ memory when in SLI, and higher if using a single card (I get to 115+ core/350+ memory). Good luck!

You'll "only" be able to push the core 135+ghz though as the stock vbios is locked. This is enough for most people (and some cards won't reach this limit), but if you're really adventurous you can push further with a custom vbios: NVIDIA Kepler VBIOS mods - Overclocking Editions, modified clocks, voltage tweaks

 

Thank you!
I will get the GPU OC software you mentioned.
As for the CPU, how exactly do I put into turbo? Can't seem to find anything in BIOS (OC n00b).

Cheers.

 

For the CPU, you can use the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU). It's included on your Sager driver disk (or you can download it). Once you open it, you'll see a section for multipliers with four sliders e.g., 32x,34x. Push those sliders to the max and apply to give your 4700mq a 400mhz max boost.

Good people are likely working on a custom bios now, but for the time being you can't adjust any CPU performance in the stock bois.

 

harmattan, what's your i7-4700mq clock rate? 2.8-3.4ghz? or 2.4-4.1ghz?

well?

 

Okay, while trying to install XTU I keep getting an error (please see attached). I tried the install on the disk and the intel download.




Any ideas?

Thank you.

 

Okay, false alarm, I think it may have been conflicting with a win7 update.
All good now, haven't run it yet but will right now.

Thanks.

 

Hey guys, new to the forum and have a couple of questions. Im getting ready to purchase a NP9390 pretty much fully loaded. 2 x 780m 4g (8g vram total), 32gb ram, i7-4930mx, 2 x ssd, 2 x sata hd, blueray burner. Looking to purchase from xotic pc or avaDirect as it seems those are the only places I can find the 780m 4g x 2 option. My question is, does this laptop come with 2 power supplies and the junction box or do you have to order that seperatly? Also any other recommendation and places to purchase this beast. I am in the US. Thanks for any help.

 

Just got my 9390 today from xotic, and got it all set up and running. Only have one problem/question.

I purchased it, and it shipped before sager released the new bios for the ability to turn off the soundbar/touchpad. I looked all over their site to contact tech support, but I can't seem to find a livechat. I'm guessing I would email them at [email protected] as that deals with the technical support side?


Also, i'm surprised that the power brick is the same size as my old NP8170.

 

So far I have the the core at +80 and the mem clock at +145. I'm getting temps of about 77deg when I run Unigine Heaven benchmark on extreme, what's the safest temp I could go up to on this card without issues?

Also, stupid question, but do the overclocks work even if XTU and MSI afterburner aren't running? I've checked the overclock @ startup option in MSI afterburner.

Downloading 3DMark11 now so I'll run another benchmark through that also once it finishes.

Thanks.

 

Mythlogic has "2 x NVIDIA GTX 780M 4096MB GDDR5 DX11 Compliant Video Cards." It goes by their name Nyx 3713 (P375SM). Lots of config options there too.

 

Unless Alienware is offering a different SKU, I think all 780ms come with 4GB and all the Sager resellers offer them in SLI.

I'd skip the 4930mx. In all my years working with CPUs, the price/performance proposition of the "Extreme" versions is bad: after a certain point, the only thing those extra mhz will help with is heavy CPU apps e.g. video/audio encoding, CS design and benchmarking. If you want to burn the money, by all means, but I'd just get a 4800mq. I personally hate the idea of paying $500+ more for the same silicon with an unlocked multiplier (which may be possible on the lower SKUs at some point).

The machine comes with a single PSU (where are you seeing it comes with two?). You can order an extra and a dongle/connector, but highly unlikely you'd need it as the laptop tops out just over 310w OC'ed. The p375sm is not like Clevo's desktop-CPU varients (x7200) where a daisy chain is needed to OC.

As for a reseller, they all pretty much offer the same configs at similar prices. I've had good experiences with Xotic and LPC over the years, but you should check out the reseller feedback.

 

The "safest" temps before the GPUs throttle is 100c (modern GPUs have a "cut-off" temperature where they'll throttle load, so it's unlikely you'll ever reach an unsafe temperature that would actually damage the chip). That's said, I'd be comfortable running anywhere under 92c for extended periods at load so you're well in the clear.

The OCs will work as long as XTU and Afterburner are running in the background i.e. if you close the UI they'll still run.

 

You actually get ahold of their tech support instead of their site support. That address is [email protected]. They'll send you some files over with instructions.

 

Yeah, the machine doesn't need the dual PSU setup like the 9570 and its ilk do. No need to have it unless you like the coolness factor of having two adapters powering your notebook

 

harmattan, what's your i7-4700mq clock rate? 2.8-3.4ghz? or 2.4-4.1ghz?

well?

Please answer Harmattan....


and to Aplear, you do realize you only have 4gb vram....vram doesn't stack...

 

Thank you.

Just pushed up to +110 core and +320 mem and temps are still around the high 70's, so seems pretty stable thus far.

Scored 5314 on 3DMark11 and 1007 Unigine Heaven, I hope that's good!

Well thank you for the help, I'll probably tinker with it a bit more but I'm pretty happy for now.

Cheers.

 

Not sure what the deal is, but I've been waiting for a file from Sager since Friday. They tell me they'll send it "soon", but that was early Monday. I would email them.

Sunday, 7/14 update: still no response from Sager on the bios... Are new P375SMs shipping out with the update yet?

 

Yes But I want the 780m to have 4gb each as the rendering software (octane) makes use of each of the cards and the more vram the better the performance. just wasent sure about the power supplies. If I don't need 2, would rather not have to carry around if I don't have to!

 

Thanks for the feedback Harmattan, some of the sites Ive seen are putting the 2gb 780m's in the machine and I use some GPU rendering software (Octane) that can really benefit from the extra vram so I want to make sure I get 2 with 4gb each

 

, I have a burnt pixel on my screen!
Now I have to send it back to Metabox for replacement... such is life.

Anyone know when the 120hz screens are coming out for the 375SM?
I might hold off and ask them to upgrade and pay the difference when they replace if it's somtime soon.

But for now (well at least until Monday when I can send it back) I will just have to put up with this blue dot staring me in the face!

Cheers.

 

Damn thats a shame. I would call up Jeff from 'Affordable Laptops' and ask him when they are coming in. I'm trying to find an email from either him or someone at Metabox, that i asked the question to...... got it : From Metabox '' The 120HZ option is unfortunately not available on the P375SM.'' That is all i have been given, but i think once the states start using them it might be the norm over here.
I just ordered my P375SM today and bought a couple of extra SeagateST500LM000 SSHD that i might put in raid 0 for my games. Not sure if this is possible or even wise, never done it before.

My specs are:

Metabox P375SM: Diamond Compound applied to processor and graphics
Operating system: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit with DVD and drivers
Screen type: 17.3" FHD 1920x1080 LED/LCD 72% Gamut Matte
Graphics: SLi 2 x Nvidia GTX 780M 4GB graphic cards
Processor: i7-4900MQ Quad Core CPU 2.8GHz up to 3.8GHz
RAM memory: 16GB DDR3 1866Mhz RAM
Primary drive: 256GB SSD Samsung 840 pro
Optical drive: Blu-ray Reader/DVD burner combo drive
Wireless WiFi: Intel Wireless-AC 7260 2.4 / 5GHz ac/a/b/g/n +BT HMC
Metabox Warranty: Metabox 1st year Onsite pick up and return warranty
Metabox Protection Plan: Protection Plan - year 2 and 3 return to Metabox

Not sure on my choice of wireless card, as it is brand new to the shop, havent seen it anywhere else and cant find any reviews. But the 2.5/5GHz ac/a/b/g/n looked interesting.

 

Here's a review of the 7260 in a Mythlogic Clevo

AnandTech | The Joys of 802.11ac WiFi

 

Yes it is, those AC's are QUITE fast.

 

Did you send them one with the Samsung PM841 mSATA? I asked them to test it in the comments of the article. I read a review on one you sent to thessdreview.com

Samsung PM841 512GB mSATA SSD Review - Performance and Capacity in a Client SSD | The SSD Review

 

Yes the one they have has a PM841 in it as well. It will be in quite a few articles upcoming for Anand, as thats a pretty special laptop

 

Great, looking forward to it!
Aren't all Mythlogics special?

 

Harmattan or somebody experienced, how far can the i7-4700mq be OC'd with XTU? can it be oc'd any other way? and what is the clock rate in the end?