*** Official Sager NP9380, NP9390 / Clevo P370SM, P370SM3, P375SM Owner's Lounge ***

You may think that not many people are interested in the flashy lights but there is a reason why Alienware is still so popular. We also see the Blinged version selling better than the non blinged. Can't argue with sales, but in my own personal opinion I'm with you on the lights. Not a big fan, but to each their own.

 

Agreed. I've been running with an OC on the GPUs of 150+/450+, and CPS +200mhz consistantly for hours-on-end sessions in FC3, Metro, Tomb Raider etc -- not a single shut down. I might be pushing the envelope, but saying you need dual PSUs to run this is a bit alarmist.

We go through this same polemic every time there's a new top-end GPU. Look: if you're planning stroking your ego running Furmark for hours with your OC to the absolute limit, by all means, get another PSU; if you're playing games (you know... the use this laptop was designed for) with a moderate-high OC, you'll be fine.

 

Well, you can always turn the lights off. I personally would never buy a clickpad laptop (370) and I don't like to use a external mouse for simple tasks. The review from notebookcheck regarding the clickpad was really bad.

The trackpad light can be easily turn off keeping the kb back-lit (if not with the new bios, just disconnect the power wire).

Notebookcheck review:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Schenker-XMG-P723-Clevo-P370SM-Notebook.97426.0.html
Tapatalked from my Galaxy S4

 

Not sure where you read that at since it's only two people who have breached past 450W using dual psu for Alienware.
And 1 person breaching past 530W

My kilowatt meter is attached to my UPS backup, so it's pretty darn accurate. Now my stand alone kilowatt meter was not.
Each card is capable of at least 160W
My cpu can top out at 115W, but for 3d benching it's 100W
Idle is now 35W to 90W

You only need to watch test one of 3dmark11 to see what the max watts draw will be.
This is what I use to check power and voltage
CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD 1500VA 900W LCD UPS | CyberPower,CP1500AVRLCD,UPS,battery backup,uniterruptable power,1500VA,900W,LCD,CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD 1500VA 900W LCD UPS Uninterruptable Power Source UPS Performance Review
I have 5 ups backups and they all read the same thing so there is no error in it's readings. (For the naysayers)

Just an idea of what is going on with the M18X.

Im more than curious as to why I have never seen the watts in the 450 to 500W range for your dual psu setup.(Meaning for the Clevo's)

 

Well to each his own since I have no issues with the clickpads I have on several laptops and tablets I own. I don't mind some being but what they chose to me is rather odd looking.

Nevermind it all though. I cancelled my order for now since there were things happening that made me a bit uncomfortable with proceeding. I may try again soon with another reseller.

 

Sorry accidently duplicate post

Well to each his own since I have no issues with the clickpads I have on several laptops and tablets I own. I don't mind some being but what they chose to me is rather odd looking.

Nevermind it all though. I cancelled my order for now since there were things happening that made me a bit uncomfortable with proceeding. I may try again soon with another reseller.

 

What issues?

 

I came across a strange problem when playing around with XTU and Afterburner. In XTU I have set my multipliers to the max and I have set my graphics to 135+ core and 500+ mem in Afterburner. While doing some tests in Unigine Valley I had the benchmark stop abruptly towards the end of the first test, screen went black for about half a minute, then came back on. Valley wasn't responding anymore but was able to be started up again. While the test was running I didn't see any odd particles, which I think means the setting are fine, but I'm trying to think as to why and what happened. Since then I haven't done anymore testing.
Could I have run into a power problem? I can test what i am drawing to see if it is more then 330w. My laptop is in my sig below.

Any ideas as to what caused this?

 

Your cards are probably clocked too high and crashed. That might be why the blackscreen happened. Unigine crashed because the graphics driver broke but restarted itself (black screen) and when restarting it, it probably was at default clocks. If it happens again lower your mem/core clocks a little and see if you get a true stable set.

Also, nice RAM and CPU.

 

brettlp88, D2 Ultima is right, you can't just set the cards to the max values and run a becnh, run it step by step. The same with CPU in Intel XTU, you have to set Power slider to at least 70W and time window to 100sec in order to OC the CPU, just bumping the multies won't help untill your CPU has enough juice to handle it

 

1. I have stepped it up to 135/500. Usually when the driver crashes it has a little message on the bottom right of the task bar. I will do more investigating when I finish work. The temps for the cards at this clock was 83/78.

2. I did not know this and will have to find these sliders when I jump back on it. I thought all you had to do with XTU was to increase the 4 multy bars. Which window shall I find the power and time sliders in? Can you explain how this will change my clocks? I also cant seem to get the XTU clocks that I set to start up from a cold boot/re-start/sleep.


D2ULTIMA Thank you

 

brettlp88 please upload your XTU core screenshot

 

Some questions from my side:

1) How many external screens is able to support? Manual says 3 in total: 2 externals (displayport and thunderbolt) + internal LCD. Would it be possible to do a different configuration, like 2 on thunderbolt in daisy chaining + internal, or 2 on TB and 1 on DP, disabling the internal one?

2) On which port the clevo is able to output 120hz? Thunderbolt? Displayport? HDMI I guess no since it's 1.4a and not 1.4b

3) Can the clevo drive all 3 displays at 120hz in case? Would it be possible to have a 3d vision surround setup working, for example with 2 external 120 hz displays with built-in 3d emitter, or 3 by disabling the internal monitor?

I think the clevo has enough GPU power to run 3d vision surround at 3x1080p with medium settings, and I would like to understand if this is even possible, with 2-3 external 120hz displays, or not.

 

Thank you!

Life saver! Honestly I didn't know where to find the Fn+1 hotkey detail, but then again, I didn't RTFM...

On the same note, no the laptop is not overheating per se, the thing is that I am one of those people that lays in bed with my laptop, so I usually have it sitting on top of blankets so they cover up the bottom vents. Like this, stress tests would push my cpu to 90C and I would start to see throttling, but I have undervolted(by -90mV, -100mV proved to be unstable), underclocked and capped (to 2.7ghz which shows me no difference in benchmarks(3Dmark, Unigine, Catzilla,ect)), and repasted (with mx-4 although I am considering repasting with LiquidUltra). So after all that, with the vents covered by my blankets, I get about 80C from IBT and 70C from Valley Bench. Thanks to your Fn+1 trick, now I get around 75C and 65C (respectively).

Overall very happy with the temp results, especially since I know when I use it on a flat surface with access to the vents, these temps will be even lower.

 

Don't lay in bed with your laptop. It's bad bad bad.

 

I played around with the settings a little more last night, and had not driver issues, no artifacts showing up, nothing abnormal at all. Mind you I only ran a few Unigine Valley and Heaven benchmarks.

 

That's bad, the power sliders are off. Do you have 3dmark vantage? If yes, you can run CPU tests on stock and then OC'ed to see if the CPU it throttling (i bet it is) and compare the results

 

By power sliders, do you mean the boost multipliers?

I have run 3dmark 13/11 and and Unigine Valley and Heaven. The green bar at the bottom of that graph is to show me if the CPU is throttling, which is isnt. I will run vantage as soon as i can to see what that does. How else do you use XTU, because on the reviews i've read about these laptops, they have just increased the sliders that i have.

 

This is also what I have been told. My GPU runs at peak about 3.4Ghz which I believe is optimal for my GPU.

I ran a stress test just then which showed 0.00% GPU throttling throughout. Please see attached SS's of the OC and the test results.



If there is a better way to test for this, or I can get more out of my GPU I would certainly like to know.

Cheers.

 

Just wanted to find out from Clevo p370sm3 owners is the 3D screen worth buying? Also what about fan noise I've seen a review of a Schenker and it was showing some terrible stats, at idle and during load? What's the weight of this laptop with dual 780m and power brick/without power brick?

 

Hey guys, both the msata ports on the 9390s are SATA 6gb/s? They should compatible with most msata cards? I am looking to purchase the 9390s but want to use the new samsung 840 msata cards or the crucial m500 cards which isnt offered via Sager/resellers. No issues running them in raid 0 on 9390s?

 

That's correct; Mythlogic offers the 840 Pro Msata hard drives (PM141 if I remember correctly) on theirs, so feel free to go ahead. Or you can get from Mythlogic yourself, either one is fine XD

 

So I repasted with Liquid Ultra last night and when I tried to turn on my machine I get a black screen. The lights come on, the fans work, keyboard responds to certain commands like FN+1 and beeps when prntscn is pressed, if I press other buttons I can hear a light ticking noise. I had the same problem before when I repasted with mx-4 but I just reset the CMOS battery and the laptop screen came back on, but now it doesn't seem to be working, I take out all power (battery, plug) then remove CMOS battery pin, hold power for 30 sec, replace CMOS, plug in AC and the same thing, black screen, lights on, some keyboard responsiveness.

Does anyone have any clue? I'm thinking I need to flash the BIOS but I can't find a copy of any BIOS for this machine (np9390/p375sm).

 

Hit up Prema for any bios mods.

 

cyricc reinstall RAM in different slots (try another RAM), i hope you didn't damage the DIE's when you took off the HS

 

I'll try that, although I did try to take the RAM out for 30 sec and put it back in, also tried unhooking the harddrives and booting without them.

I can assure you, I did not damage anything, especially the DIEs, I have a workbench setup and used cloth and qtips with Artic Thermal Paste remover (2 step solution) to remove the paste, then used a fine tipped brush to apply Liquid Ultra.

I would think this too, since this is the advice you see on all "black screen" threads, but like I mentioned, the same thing happened to me on the first repaste, so it's touchy BIOS that don't want to default to the correct graphics adapter.

 

The Samsung PM841 mSATA is TLC NAND like the 840 (non-Pro) It is not the MLC NAND in the 840 Pro. You will get the write performance (or lack) of the TLC 840. Compare reviews for the 840 sizes to see what you can expect out of the PM841. And definitely do not buy a 120-128GB Samsung PM841, 840 or 840 Pro mSATA or 2.5" SSD. Big time latency issues.

I wouldn't get Crucial m500 mSATA unless it was the 480GB. But it's too early to recommend that drive as it's unavailable and untested. The performance of the smaller sizes, 120GB and 240GB, is just not going to be worth the purchase. Even as a storage only drive there are better values.

 

Hi I just purchased the Sager 9380 (Dual 8970). Do you guys have an idea how long it takes to ship from sager The guy from relex notebook told me it would take 14 working days (3 weeks( I hope ill get it before that I also see on the sager site all dual 8970 and 780M are out of stock for now... I hope they will have them fast.

Thanks

 

I've been seeing quite a few Sager orders shipping out within 5 or so days and often times less in standard production actually. Might see a faster turnaround

 

By GPU, i think you mean CPU? and I think mine maxes out around 4.2.

I also ran a 3dMark 13 test last night and no CPU throttling at all. I did notice mat my CPU scores seems a bit low and i think that might be slowing my system down.



Having a look at my XTU image on page 32, should i just leave the boost multipiers as stock and increase the processor cache ratio, tho i'm not sure what this does.

And should i set the Physx to run off the CPU or GPU (as i think it is now)?

 

Cache Ratio is exactly what it sounds like, its the multiplier ratio between the CPU cache and the CPU FSB. If you are running at x42 multiplier on 4 cores you should probably up your cache to 42 also, but you can up it to 44 since that is your max on 1 core, I don't think it will make too much of a difference though.

 

I never heard anything about the size issues or anything like that... where did you see that info? Could you link me directly?

 

I've heard similar things:
"As capacities rise and larger drives drop into affordability, the impact of capacity on performance becomes more relevant too. The specific issue here involves memory channels, the number of chips attached to each one, and keeping those channels busy. You can find out more about that in our individual drive reviews, but the good news is that larger drives tend to perform better."

Source: Best SSD: 10 of the top SSDs on test | News | TechRadar

 

Sure, no problem. In the **Official Clevo P177SM-P170SM / Sager NP8290-8270 Owner's Lounge** Starting at post Post #189 covering PM841 TLC. Mythlogic confirmed Post #192, Samsung confirmed it's TLC. in e-mail. Post #193 with quotes from TweakTown & [H]ardOCP discussing latency on 120-128GB Samsungs.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges/720323-official-clevo-p177sm-p170sm-sager-np8290-8270-owners-lounge-19.html

Links to TweakTown & [H]ardOCP that are in the posts.
Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD Review | TweakTown
HARDOCP - Synthetic Benchmarks - Samsung 840 120GB SSD Review

I need to learn how to link posts directly

 

The Direct post link is that little grey number in the upper right hand corner of the post, so your post is:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...0sm3-p375sm-owners-lounge-34.html#post9313509

 

Thanks cyricc +rep

 

Here's the start of a discussion on the m500 240GB 2.5" and mSATA and smaller sized drives.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/solid-state-drives-ssds-flash-storage/715499-official-crucial-m500-series-thread-14.html#post9305537

 

Even so, it should still beat a mechanical drive greatly, and it's one of the best you can find for the price in mSATA slots right? Like, is there anything directly making it a bad buy entirely as an SSD? (Though I always did wonder why it was cheaper than the direct 840 pro non-mSATA version)

 

ok the best sata ssd available on market arguably:
Intel® SSD X25-E Series
Intel® SSD 710 Series
Intel® SSD DC S3700 Series

and my 76.1% asic 780m's best run:

 

Quit being scared! Get on out there and push that single card!

 

Don't worry. Someday soon we'll just hear the scottish accent ringing through the world saying "THIS IS SINGLE GPU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and we'll know Meaker hit like 1200/3200 or something on his 780M

 

Well, i already did 1.2ghz
And this FC03 Memory has proven to be false as to being better than FC04, but......I could be wrong. haha!

 

Hi Everyone,

Well I resolved my black screen issue (it was bad paste contact with the heatsinks) during that process I unhooked the Drives I have and my Win8 install somehow got corrupted, so I reinstalled from the CD. Problem now is I can't get the wifi to work. I installed the drivers from both sager's and clevo's site but they wont work. When i go to view adapter settings I only see Bluetooth and Ethernet...

Any ideas?

 

yes....the highest potential are resellers.....
they can read and pick a bunch of high asic quality cards from thounds of machine, and refresh notebook top score anytime(we know the asic will improve as the newer batch gpu core)

 

Mine are 71 and 73...

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6951738

 

I'll reply myself from what I've found out:

From what I've read the cards should be able to easily drive 3 displays. So should be a question of connections, more than anything.

Displayport port: yes, so should support 1080p@120hz/3D. It's even version 1.2, so should be able even to daisy chain 2+ displays, all easily at 1080p@120hz. Possibly, if the bandwidth is enough (I'm not sure), you could even be able to run 3x 1080p@120hz 3d vision surround setup on ONE CABLE!

Thunderbolt port: yes, should supporto 1080@p120hz/3D. It's not clear to me which controller exactly clevo adopts, if it's the old one, just DP 1.1 is supported, so a single monitor. If it's a red ridge new TB controller, should support DP 1.2 and so also daisy chaining for multiple 1080p@120hz monitors, as per the DP port.

HDMI: no, it's HDMI 1.4a, and HDMI 1.4b+ is needed to have 120hz support at 1080p. So only 1080p@60hz supported.

By what I know, a single GTX680/780/Titan is able to run 3x 1080p@120hz. So also 780M should be able to. Should be just a question of ports and connections, and by what we know, it's possible.

So, YES, it should be possible to have 3x 27'' 1080p@120hz monitors connected to our laptop, possibly even on a SINGLE cable, using displayport 1.2 daisy chaining.

Without using daisy chaining, 2 monitors could still be connected, one on the DP port, the other on the TB port.

UPDATE: Tt seems nvidia drivers supports daisy chaining (aka multi-stream transport) for 3d surround since beta drivers 326.19.

You can read about it here:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/539645/nvidia-surround/2-monitor-gaming-/
http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-...19-Beta-Driver-Adds-Support-4K-Tiled-Displays

So you need to use this driver or more recent to enable the MST on a single cable. Not clear to me if this feature is enable on specific 4k display, or it's supporting daisy chaining also for more standard 1080p displays on a single cable.

It seems it's only supporting for now the 4k displays, but in order to do so, they needed to implement MST in the drivers, so I guess MST for daisy chaining multiple displays should not be too far off, even if currently unsupported, for surround.

Can someone test this setup?

 

So I am thinking about going for the 780m SLI in this laptop. But would a i7-4700MQ slow it down when gaming ? I saw some benchmarks, and it didn't seem to be much difference between the 4700 and the 4800?

Thanks

 

There is little difference because it's too powerful for games these days. You could disable hyper threading, regulate it to three cores and still do about as well as a fully open version of the same chip. The 4800MQ and above are ONLY necessary if you know you will be needing a lot of CPU power for something; like me with my livestreaming.

 

I got it to work. The kicker is, this is a Realtek driver that is not on the Clevo or Sager site. The only place I've been able to find it is on the CD that came with my machine, and it was under "OPTIONAL DRIVERS". I'm not sure who's idea it was to put the driver that is required for wifi to work under optional in the cd and no where online, but if anyone else comes across this problem... now you know!

 

Can an np9380 owner please let me know about fan noise when the laptop is idle and at load?

Also is a 120Hz screen worth going for?

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