*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

@Eurocom Support - Hey dudes, Eurocom can allow me to buy a system for a company and avoid paying tax, per EU laws?

@Donald@HIDevolution - Same question, this is more complicated, but I remember you can import for your own representation in Europe, Romanian tax is 20% from the main price, is there any way I can avoid it if ordering from HID? I have my own company and all the papers for it

 

Sure, if you are VAT licensed we can set you up as Tax Exempt and include your VAT license number on the shipping label and invoice. However it is my understanding that if you are buying for personal/company use, and not for resale, you would still have to pay the VAT. I cannot give you legal advice, so I would recommend you investigate this with your local authorities.

 

Equipment for a company is bought without paying VAT, it just can't be sold without paying VAT upon sale.

At least in Romania*

I'm in the process of getting that VAT number, and yes it would be for company usage, I'm the Director of Seventh Heart Studios, a game company from Romania, so I can buy equipment in those conditions. I was curious if you offer this, and why it isn't a bigger thing on the site, since it would seriously change the price for customers who also own companies

 

When I really wanted to avoid HID because #itcomesfromUSA and because #price and #shippingfear, but I am really afraid of companies who are taking days to answer and I'd rather work with some of the companies who answer on spot like HID just because I can get a quick feedback and help...

BTW, so far the following companies who answer quickly:

HID
Eurocom
Obsidian (really wish they had Prema BIOS...)
Sager

 

For the self employed people you can just include the tax payment out of your earnings as an expense in your tax return if it is for business purposes.

In the UK at least

 

By the way... I'm curious. Did that guy ever reply to me when I found evidence about DSR/supersampling being more taxing than native resolution? I don't know if he did and I didn't get the alert (which sometimes happens) or if he just shied away

 

That doesn't work in Romania, sadly.

You need to be a corporation to do that, and it is quite complicated to get a proper VAT number to avoid paying tax if the product is for business purposes.

(Secretly wishing I was in the UK )

DSR is more taxing than native resolution (?)

I think that is true especially because there is another downsizing step required.

 

There is a filter applied and that filter requires some graphics processing power.

I.E. If I show you a DSR'd or supersampled benchmark of any game, you can legitimately take it as a "worst case scenario" for buying a monitor at that resolution. If you used the same system I used in the same conditions, a native higher resolution WILL perform better than Downsampled or Supersampled.

 

I can't go higher than 4K because there just isn't a higher res monitor available with good size (40"+)

 

Hey guys i was checking the review at notebookcheck:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...I-Clevo-P870TM1-G-Laptop-Review.274230.0.html
the display doesnt fit perfectly against the plastic bezel.
Have any of you guys noticed this?

 

You still have to pay the VAT at purchase but you can offset it when doing your tax return is all.

 

We don't have tax returns in Romania, we pay only on purchase, we need to offest things from the start, VAT paid is paid here, and it is not returnable. This is the way Romania works so far...

 

pre welcome you to 870tm club?

 

I wish it was that simple. I need a few more money and to finally decide who to order from.

Been 10 days and no answer from Clevo Center , there is no holiday in Europe (no CNY for them), so I'm back at selecting a company to work with eventually.

 

do u plan on overclocking overcloking, or simple overclocking. and what OS?

 

@Prema BIOS is an absolute necessity. In fact, without his BIOS, those laptops aren't worth looking at in my honest opinion. The stock BIOS is so bad that they're erraticaly unstable.

As for OC, I really want to reach that 4.5 - 5 GHz on the CPU if I'm upgrading... The current 4.0 GHz is a bit disappointing

 

4ghz is pretty low, thats like 2012-2013 lol. go for HID evolution barebone + CPU and just use your current dGPU to reduce cost would that work? any decent CPU can do 4.5ghz, the temp in 870tm is very good as long as its delided.

whats your current laptop?

 

6700K + GTX 1080 P775DM3-G, can only reach 4.0 GHz, it throttles any higher and the original seller tightened the screws too much so I can't delid or repaste myself...

I am considering a PC build with RVZ01-E as the core case, it is duble the thickness of my P775DM3-G, and everything else the same, but then I'd be able to get 8700K + 1080 TI for about 70% the price of a P870TM1, but I don't know how portable it is, or if it meets my needs that well

@Meaker@Sager @Donald@HIDevolution I'm curious, some reviews stated that P870TM1 doesn't come with the excellent sound that P775DM3-G had. I am an audiophile reviewer of one of the largest sites there are and I am still amazed by the sound of P775DM3-G, is it true that the P870 doesn't come with the same soundcard solution, and that on P870 it is worse?

 

going desktop build, it'll lack battery and portability carry extra monitor, but u'd get iGP to work. kinda strange clevo would use less quality audio system in the higher end machine.

 

The Audio specs are identical. The cases are different, and therefore the speaker location is also different. However I have not heard that the EVOC High Performance Systems P775DN3-G has better sound than the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1, nor do I understand how the reviewers could make that distinction unless they had both laptops in hand at the same time.

 

Anyone know the correct ram slot numbers right off?

 

3 and 4 under the keyboard

 

Thanks Papusan!!

 

I mean only the headphone out, not its speakers.

It is the Notebookcheck which writes most about those and which makes those assumptions, this is why I asked.

 

You\'re right, buuut, 1080ti + 8700K, which you can upgrade on a whim.

Aaaand as I was doing my research last night, 2080 started being rumored, and 1080ti reached EOL, not out of stock, but actual EOL, in almost all romanian shops

Ain't this dandy?

 

I thought the 20 series was just a refresh

 

I highly doubt there will be no performance increase, even if it is a refresh

 

Won't make much of a difference in terms of stock anyway being EOL

 

Take it for what it is... Just rumor

 

That's one hell of a jump in performance. Even more than the 10 series cards.

Wish I'd waited a little longer, but I guess there'll be a while before putting them into laptop's.

 

Depends on how you see it. See... From the rumor 2070 ~ 1080Ti. Then compare the numbers from review of 1070 vs. 980Ti

 

Well hopefully it will fit in this laptop LOL

 

LOL yep, well i plan on purchasing another one, especially if it comes with 8 cores and 2 fans.

 

The performance gain is a rumour, that is for sure, there's literally zero evidence to support it, but the fact that 1080ti is EOL right this moment is not a rumour, Romanian shops can't conceal this info due to their rather inferior informatic systems, so instead of showing stuff out of stock always, they show stuff exactly as it is

- out of stock

- supplier out of stock

- EOL, won't be stocked agian, it isn't produced anymore

 

That is most probable.

That will probably be the sweet spot to get one.

 

yea man. tbh was a little disappointed with just 6 cores because you know desktop can go to like 16-18 cores easy. and also because ive had an 8 core cpu in 570wm had a taste of 8 core with large L3cache.

the new 8 core gona be great if its on 10nm+, use less power and similar overclocking capability as 14nm++, wont be as good but good enough for most, possibly some ipc improvement as well. ultimately hoping for a brand new redesign from clevo though, but still wouldn't mind if they used same chassis as i have already invested into 870tm, could use more of the same parts.

 

New chassis? I don't think so Maybe we can hope for better fans who move more air?

 

So will we need a new motherboard or will it take the new gpus?

 

Next gen laptop NVIDIA GPU’s won't be out until after Summertime.

 

When you say laptop, are they still the full fat desktop ones like now?

 

Expect Nvidia will milk on same chips. Max-Q Of course we get same chips.

 

Even though they have the same name...e.g. nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080...they are totally different cards for laptops and desktops. The desktop version is HUGE compared to the laptop version.

 

lmao that's hilarious. Now they're spinning "high end" as "enthusiast" so they can say their midranged is "high end"...

Where is that rumor even from? That "rumor" just partially justifies the stupid $700 launch price for midranged silicon, and I find it very distasteful that Guru3D would evenpropagate it. It's like "yes, let's them charge more and more for GPUs, it's fine guys".

 

Isn't that called "marketing"?

They will always look for new, creative ways to make you part with your money.

 

Mind you. Everything is High end today. The fully locked down 7700Hq chips junk is ranked High end in reviews. Expect this will continue. Not much we can do about this. Only boycott the trash.

 

Notebook owners are used to paying high end price for mid range and enthusiast price for high end silicon.

Desktop owners are finding out what it's like to be subject to a monopoly.

Volta/Ampere may be an increase in absolute performance but pricing will be interesting. Maybe the crypto insanity has driven up what Nvidia think is the performance required to justify each price point... instead of sandbagging an Intel-esque annual +5-10%... perhaps gamers will get a kind of win from it after all.

 

The increase in performance will be the same from Maxwell to Pascal. Not much will be changed. The only difference is... Nvidia have now more buyers due the miners The big question is... Will they increase the production so all can get the new cards?

 

Marketing is trying to sell you on something. Lying is not marketing.

 

Only if it really worked that way lol

 

Oh, but they are selling something. For the majority of consumers, they believe whatever they are told. The technical folks may know the truth but it doesn't do any good because the prices stay high due to high demand because it's "New and improved!".