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Intel's first Core i3 with Turbo Boost elevates Intel's budget chip into premium territory

 

That just goes back to like you said about the people buying what they are told. Make it sound good, and people will flock to it.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****"
W.C. Fields

 

About the desktop cards, all 1080 , 1080ti, 1070 reached EOL on shelves, so the next gen will be here and will be here soon.

AFAIK the stores are already stocking on those and just waiting for the signal to go sell with them (but only for desktop chips)

For laptop chips, HID, Eurocom, and other Clevo vendors will be the first to tell you all you need to know

We have a glitch in the system in Romania, online stores show EOL as soon as EOL is reached

 

How many cards usually share the same socket? Did the 7,8 and 9 series cards all share the same socket?

 

The difference is in the graphics cards form and shape (design). Not all are designed equal. But same MXM socket.

 

Thanks that make things clearer. So basically if the new cards are the same shape they will go in.

 

Depends on how they wire up the paths (changes electrically preventing compatibility). As well what power connector they will use on MB/card. Some thoughts... https://premamod.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/clevo-pascal-mxm-standard/
There is different ways on how to screw you

 

No. Not "selling something". "Sell you on something". There is a huge difference. Me trying to convince you that my product is good enough to be purchased by flaunting its upsides in an attractive way is "selling you on my product". Something like this: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/197015-correction-about-linus-gigabyte-bxi5g-760-micro-pc-video/ is not marketing. It's lying, and it's actually illegal in countries that have laws about it. Like the UK and EU, where they didn't do this and kept the name right. Really, give this a read, and understand why I rag on tech media so much for not doing some due diligence. Couldn't even cross-reference the specs for something supposedly unbelieve-able.

 

So they charge us a bloody fortune for these enthusiast laptops then make them obsolete every new component change! We don't get too many breaks do we.

 

All is about the money. How much they can milk you.



You could of course buy you a money growth tree

 

more money where that came from (our wallet).
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/image...a72362bf2386d25f7d98e3c7eeed7e1088a2f53fe.png

keep holding back, and give out mini arch "Turning" performance improvement with new name for more milk. hope this wont be only a 15-20% boost.

 

Nvidia stopped creating a reference PCB so it was up to the OEMs to design one so they made them to help in their designs to save on things like cost yes.

Notice the 1080 - 1060 all share the same PCB, the GDDR5x requires the wider PCB when following Nvidia's best practice on memory bus design.

So do you design a different PCB just for the 1080?

 

Honestly I don' know.

I have a feeling desktops get it easier though.

 

Of course they do, they are larger and more modular as a result, there are reference designs and more people doing others too.

 

Hopefully the graphics cards will not increase anymore from 100mm x 124mm deminsions. I think going to 6-8gb across the board had something to do with size increasing.

With the new next gen GeForce Volta, and hbm2 most likley being right on the die. I think they can keep them them all the same size PCB and fit.

Id be highly upset if i cannot upgrade my newly purchased P750TM1-G, or P775TM1-G, or P870TM1-G.

Im buying one of these three laptops this month. Since im already getting nailed to the wall here, with a gtx1080 right when its about to be dead in the water, I can only hope they offer us a drop in upgrade. If not, id probably never own another laptop.

It looks like the 8600k/8700k will deffinetly overlap in to two gpu generations.

 

pray for the graphics. cpu we all know already dead end because its intel. only if we're lucky we might get an 8 core refresh on z370 but i doubt it.

 

We got a i3 with HT LOL
Knowing Intel , z370 was considered EOL after the first 8series chips left the manufacturing process lol.

 

Moving to a related thread topic, has anyone heard anything on an update for the keyboard glitch?

 

Prema is waiting patiently for Intel to release their latest code fix for Specter slime. Once they do, he will put out the BIOS update.

 

Ahh, I see. Thanks @Donald@HIDevolution !

 

I had to do a lot of clean-up in here.

Stay on-topic.

Charles

 

Is it possible per say to undervolt the GPU As with what we do with the CPU and keep performance? Boost is thermally controlled per voltage bin. The cooler the faster, the more allowed voltage . So couldn't I just ctrl-f in afterburner and set my tables or is the 1080 bios locked from this ?

 

You can use MSI afterburner to undervolt the gpu(s)

 

Thanks man !!

 

dont have undervolt option from msi afterburner.

 

I got mine stable at 2050mhz at 1V

 

I've never seen mine boost beyond 1880 lol

That's why I was asking. I remember on my 1080ti's I had to modify a file, pray to the GPU Gods,and make a change in AFT to do it

 

if you hit CTRL + F it will bring up a voltage control graph. You can adjust voltage / clock settings there.

 

That's what I was wanting to verify is if the voltages are actually controlled that way. As like I said. For the desktop cards hoops had to be jumped through to make it work.

 

i hit the control F but i can only adjust frequency for a set voltage, not the voltage for frequency. basically no idea how it'll really work when GPU being used.

 

Flatten the curve to the right of your chosen maximum voltage point and move the whole curve up to overclock. Or if you are a masochist or enjoy a good wrestle with a clunky GUI, shift every point individually...

As for the underlying algorithm its pretty similar to CPU boost. Max possible performance point unless limited by power limit or temperature. Pascal also has a minor clock drop with increasing temp.

 

Just bump the points up to 2000mhz @ 975mv and then make it flat from there. If you have rivatuner, run a game and see if your temps go down and clocks go up to 2000mhz

 

I'll try it. Mine is no where near 2000mhz on any of the bins lol

 

Don't feel bad. I can't for the life of me get my 8700k above 4.7ghz all core with out hitting current limits. I'm probably doing something wrong though.

 

Mines running at 1550mhz in Warframe @ 60-70% usage.
I can run the 4.8 all core though lol.

 

That... would be why.

 

Lol I know that part. But even under full load the default curve had a Max of 1850.
Unless underwater or shot off an aircraft carrier-2000mhz wouldn't have happened lol

 

It's 1911MHz. All the GPUs are 1911MHz. Like, it literally doesn't matter what any software reads it's pretty much 1557MHz to 1911MHz from core to max turbo.
Unstressed with prefer max perf enabled (1557MHz):


Stressed (1911MHz):


All YOU need to do is keep it cold enough. The second you hit 48c or your VRMs get too hot, you'll hit vREL throttle and drop to 1898MHz. Next drop from there is extra large from the standard 13MHz steps, down to 1873MHz. Then it's just mostly ~13MHz all the time: 1860MHz, 1848MHz, 1823MHz, 1810MHz, 1797MHz, etc. No idea why some of the drops are 25MHz not 13MHz but who knows.

If you can't pass 1860MHz your GPU is probably sitting in the high 50s low 60s in temp.

Of course lowering the voltage curve will allow it to avoid vREL throttle once the temps are good, but that's all. Once temps raise your clockspeed will drop the point it wants to drop. Your only help at that point would be overclocking, so as to add an offset to it.

 

My temps sit during game at around 50-52c The max I have seen so far is 55c but that was a two-three hour gaming session.
I'm only using one card ATM until the single PSU comes in. I have the two 330w psus and the splitter, but thats too much of a hassle at times to worry about lol.
I'm glad you pointed out the vrm temp could cause throttling too. I have some new thermal pads I need to throw in there this weekend .

 

It is a thing. If I leave the PCI/e render test on for long enough despite my GPU never hitting 48c, it will eventually drop to 1898MHz and toss vREL limit reason. Better thermal padding = better boosting, as close to your thermal allowance for the temp you're at. Mine clearly isn't perfect since I drop to 1898MHz, but if you absolutely cannot get your clocks up there then you need some repad work.

 

More examples regarding dual channel vs. single memory stick.

 

Chip quality can make a fair difference with boost 3.0 when looking at variation from card to card.

 

I noticed that with the few 1080tis I had. I'm pondering swapping my two 1080s around. And seeing if my current master GPU sucks as bad as I think it does compared to the slave card Lol

 

I tried setting this to an absurdly high number and I am still seeing throttling

 

Mine are quite similar but it's worth checking out.

Try more sane limits, going too high can just bug it.

 

I have it set to 800. I believe it's 100A

 

800 amps would melt the brick/bricks let alone the CPU so yeah that counts as a not sane limit.

 

In the prema Bios the vr current limit goes by 1/8th amps. Mine is set to 800 making it 100A.
Is that still too high?

 

In that case it's set at stock IIRC so you can expect stock levels of performance.

 

I'll see if 150A will help. Thanks!