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Which game and driver versions were those?

 

I use SLI since my AW M17x R1 and it works pretty well to me, no micro stuttering at all. My only complain is it is not supported on every game, and I have the feeling that it has less support every day

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Two games actually, The witcher 3, and No mans Sky.

The driver I am using now is 23.21.13.8871 Or version 388.71.

 

To be honest, I find support in most games I play, And if the game is not supported, I simply turn one card off. One 1080 is more then enough.

 

Strange. NMS doesn't support SLI at all, and Witcher 3 is known to be very SLI-friendly if you turn off AA and use the custom SLI profile 0x280021F1.

 

So No man sky does support SLI, Its buggy and unpredictable. I ultimately switched to one card to mitigate crashes. It still, however, finds reason to crash from time to time.

The Witcher 3, Is SLI friendly, but I had major issues with current 1080 drivers and strange artifacts. It would also crash on Driver related dumps. I switched to various older ones until i settled on 388. Seems to be stable for now. No crashes. Another game that gave me issue was TitanFall 2. This driver fixed that as well. I can run that game on max graphics at 4k res, at just under 60FPS. At 1440P on my external, Oh my goodness, she is a sight to see.

 

I think on the 9900K/1180 refresh they should try to work on the bezzles. Personally, I could give zero F^^^s about it, but it would look nice. The size is irrelevant, and I would like to see a fourth fan, for bragging rights.

I will upgrade to the 1180 as soon as it comes out in MXM format, as well as the 9900K. Im sort-of of cutting edge addict, but luckily, I can afford such an addiction

 

It does not. The SLI profile for NMS is set to single GPU in the driver:

 

Thanks for the clarification on this. I am going from the standard google search, and the consensus seems to be that SLI is supported.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/discussions/1/1471967615888137781/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyT...o_mans_sky_performance_optimization_guide_pc/

There are a few other sites i relied on for proof, but if the game crashes that often, then i think its safe to say your right.

 

Just check your GPU usage % while playing. If only one card is utilized, then SLI isn't working.

 

So do you want them to use an 18.4 inch panel and go for 1080p 60hz or slim the machine down and downgrade the cooling?

 

I would love to see a bigger display. But 18.4 panels are rare and I don't see a massive market for them. I would also like to see more display options for the 4k model. I know that high refresh panels in 4k are rare, only two out I believe, but seeing them on a 4k 18 inch, would be amazing.

As far as other improvements, maybe different surface material, instead of ABS plastic.

 

Exactly my point, 18.4 inch panels are always behind. And 4k 120hz panels need active cooling at the moment so need a bit more work for mobile

Materials are a cost/weight issue.

 

You can enable the SLI indicator from Nvidia control panel, that's the most feasible way

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I'm pretty sure cost/weight is not an issue for most enthusiast customers, unless the cost is twice for just one more inch on the screen

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IMO, SLI in a laptop is crazy and dumb. All that heat and weight. Most laptops come with 1080p 144hz screens now that a single 1080 can drive well above. Unless you're using a 4k screen then i understand.

 

Tell that to watch dogs 2. My SLI GTX 1080 can't handle at constant 60+ FPS with some options maxed out at 1080p

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Watch Dogs is a trash game.

 

I don't think that 4k 120H will be available for laptops any time soon.

Laptop panels are already far behind the desktop monitors, since they don't have any motion blur reduction features that use strobe backlights.

https://www.blurbusters.com/faq/motion-blur-reduction/

 

Is HDR available in any 17 inch laptop? I'd take that screen

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I don't know any 17" laptop with HDR.

 

Hello all!
Can anybody upload vBios 86.04.56.00.2D for Nvidia 1080 please ??
You can use this tool for vBios backup.
Thank you

 

Hi,
As per GPU-Z I have 86.04.80.00.21, do you want this version ?

 

Yes, please

 

Please check

https://www.4shared.com/file/HRwFh-Vsgm/VGABIOS.html

 

it seems u read my mind perfectly. 18.4 > 17.3 anyday. pls do a 20" laptop

 

SLI is Overkill for 90% of the market. Then there is the 10%.

We want power, speed and zero compromise. I remember my first Alienware, a M9700. It had two gtx cards in SLI. This was back in Windows Vista days and as a matter of fact, vista at the time didn't even have driver support for the two cards. I remember when support was provided and I was able to use the other card.... Holy sh*t did it feel awsome.

I like SLI because it's a technological feat and when it works, it's awsome.

 

But you stay 2-3 generations behind in display tech, you can't use the GPUs and it's mostly a waste.

 

no problemo lol

 

Yeah sli was good pre desktop class cards. A single 970m wasn’t enough for me. On the other hand I had terrible micro stuttering on bf1, and until they fixed it I had one card dedicated physx. Can’t see myself getting a second 1070 though. Will just upgrade clevo willing...

 

A question though maybe unrelated but the rumor mills say the gtx 1180 might have 16 gb graphics. ASSUMING this might be true I would really want to wait for the next gen 9700k processor and 1180 to buy the laptop coz with 16 gb It is very likely going to be able to support 4k resolution properly. What do the knowledgeable people here advice ? I am all ears !

 

Would need better 2160p panels to make it worth it

 

I'd guess something next gen will be able to handle 4k with no problem so they can move on to some higher resolution that laptops can't run effectively.

 

Still don't see the benefit of playing on 4K for any screen under 50 inches, Let alone a 17 inch screen, I'd rather be asking for HDR, better contrast, more accurate colors, maybe OLED, ... Really no need for a panel with higher resolution

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Everyone's in a different spot with resolution. For me, 1080p is fine until about 20-24", then 1440p is fine until about 32".

 

Hmm I was also wondering if I get a 4k display will it still run lower reses like 1080 or 1440 well and WHEN (and IF) need be I can use it at 4k? In my mind it is more like if I have 4k I can use it rather than I NEED 4k for every single thing I do. Also if I get great 1440 res with HDR and the other stuff you mention I am quite ok with it. Just wondering if @Xotic or @lpc-digital have those options. I might go with one of them.

When is the expected time for release of a) i7 , 9 series and b) 1180 gtx ?

 

You can do that, but 1080p on a 4K display will not look as good as native 1080p

 

@Arrrrbol has it right...the 4K will not scale all that well.

Expect the next gen Intel and NVIDIA releases sometime late this year, or early next.

 

1440p is a great sweet spot and I suspect it will remain to be for the higher end cards as games become more demanding and faster cards come out.

 

Can you upload vBios 86.04.56.00.2D ?

 

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Hello, I am a new owner of this laptop. I have had it for about 2 weeks now, and I am loving every minute! I will probably comment/review/share benches/settings, more than anyone will want to hear, but for now I am just saying HI. I have been spying on you all for about 3-4 months now ;p. Thank you for helping me make an informed purchase on my laptop, and being prepared to get the most out of it on day 1!

Cheers

 

Please pm me and let me know things to do on day 1 and also the sort of questions u asked a reseller when buying. I would love to know those for when I am buying the next model with grx1180 or similar

 

Update GPU drivers to the latest from Nvidia, then play some games until the early hours of the morning.

 

^^^ What Meaker said

 

^^^ What kfxsti said

But really, being ready on day 1 is just about reading people's experiences with the model you have decided on, and then having an idea of what to expect or look out for. What those things are depends on individual needs and desires. For me I wanted to experiment with overclocking, so reading about the numbers to start at was helpful. But just like your needs are unique, so will be the results from any overclock settings, and also can vary greatly based on environment (temps). I also did not buy it with an OS, so it was helpful to read how people set up their drivers and specific windows settings etc, but it was all pretty straight forward. I also probably did not follow exactly what would be considered the common recommendations on here, I made some choices to suit my needs. And you really can't go wrong, whatever set up or re-seller you go with; I predict a high likelihood of satisfaction.

As far as what questions to ask, I say the same thing; ask the questions that are best for your plans. You likely will be deciding on many options, so most questions will focus on those options. I spoke to probably every re-seller in North America before coming to a choice. Some things they will have different opinions from each other on, and some things they will agree on. But most important, get an idea of why they have the opinions they do,,, and then make your own decision based on the info you gather from all the sources.

A GTX 1180 setup will be awesome, but that would probably be my first question; when will 1180s be available for this or other Clevos?

 

I agree with the stated above except for the Reseller portion. Lol having gone through several machines due to reseller issues, the reseller can make or break the entire ordeal. No matter the experience of PC knowledge, or insight from the community to help trouble shoot issues, or even the shear compassion of wanting such a machine to the point of trying to overlook issues due to the reseller can overcome the pitfalls of a bad reseller lol.
Some standard practices of resellers are worth the wait , and some standard practices of the resellers are not created equal.
Trust me when I say this. Reseller matters. Had I known this and hadn't been in such a rush for the laptop (needed it for work ASAP) my outcome would not have envolved returning of devices, loosing the warranty of the device I currently have, and I could have saved an extra 450 bucks by not having to replace the motherboard in my laptop with my own money due to dead warranty at the fault of me delidding my own CPU and correcting a heatsink issue by soldering a shim on it (which neither had any dealing with the motherboard crapping out due to bent pins courtesy of paper lable from the assembly line being crammed in the CPU slot along with the CPU) .

 

You need to get to know the machine and be sure how it is before you start making changes.

 

for sure, out of the things listed; re-seller is probably the thing to be most careful about, lol. But even that is an individual experience.

I completely agree, I didn't make any actual changes the first few days. But I did know from reading here where to expect starting values to be, and stay in terms of volts and temps. But for sure the first few days were spent getting base bench values from stock settings. Like, I found that under stock settings my core VIDs will tickle the 1.4s. not bad maybe up to 1.425, but normally not much more than 1.405-1.415, and still average between 1.2-1.3. So when moving up clocks I don't get nervous if it starts to mimic the stock max voltages. But (so far) I try to keep all the overclocks I have done so max voltage is not >1.4, temps have been pretty good too, better at night with the window open tho. Need one of those freezer units in the other thread, lol. jk

edit* I should add that my stock or close to stock settings now, I run with a -.025v under-volt full time.

 

I'd take a few hours first to test the hardware at stock settings:

*Full memtest86 test (you don't need to have an OS installed to run this test)
*Test your drives
*check your stock cpu temps and stability with Prime95 using small fft test for a half hour
*check you stock gpu temps and stability, I'm not sure what software to use here. You can play some games here to test.
*check you battery health, charge and discharge test